Pew Report: Alarm Bells For Indic Religions

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  1. Rowdy

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    The latest report of Pew Research Center on world religions studies how religion based demography and predicts the change in it, globally, for the next four decades. It has at once triggered controversies in India. Surendra Jain, the joint general secretary of VHP and himself belonging to the Indic minority religion Jainism, demanded that government enact a uniform law to rectify the “demographic imbalance” in the country and asked Hindus to have as many children as Muslims. The Telegraph from Calcutta reported that the Hindus would be the third largest in 2050. The Hindu reported the study:
    But hidden within the report are many worrying trends for the Indic religious communities. Beyond the knee jerk reactions to the fast growing Muslim population worldwide, Indians need to look into other disturbing patterns within and around India. And more importantly, Indians need to ponder over the reliability of the data with respect to themselves.

    Let us take the Asia-Pacific region. As of 2010, Hindus form the single largest religious population group in the region (25.3%) followed by Muslims (24.3%) and ‘unaffiliated’ (21.2%). However, despite increase in real numbers for Hindus, the percentage is going to change in favor of Muslims in the region. By 2050 the demographic composition will change with Muslims forming 29.5% and Hindus 27.7%. The Christian population is at 7.1% in 2010 and at 2050 it is projected to become only 7.7%.

    But deep inside the report is buried a curious fact. Chapter 1 of the report states that some experts believe that China’s Christian population is growing, perhaps rapidly:
    Another interesting set of data is on religious ‘switching’, that is, conversion. According to the report, Muslims and Hindus gain through religious switching. Thus between 2010-2050 Muslims would have gained 61,490,000 adherents through conversion. Hindus for the same period would have gained a net adherents of 10,000. And Christianity is projected to lose 66,050,000. Clearly this will not be the case if the the Christianization of China is achieved as the report tentatively puts in its first chapter.

    However what is really amusing about the Pew report is what it says about conversions in India. With regard to ‘religious switching’ in India it states:

    In other words, despite the missionary groups well connected with US working in India, and despite ‘Project Joshua’ providing a detailed on-line database, despite World Vision working so meticulously, Pew feigns ignorance and data unavailability with regard to conversions in India. Pew has experts who can predict Christanization of Communist China but has data insufficiency with regard to democratic India. China is all together a different ball game. It has been rumoured for long that an influential section of Chinese politburo are favourably inclined towards Christianity despite occasional reports of official ‘persecution’.


    The fact is simple: The report is not Hindu-oriented (which it need not be) and is neither non-partisan. It has a clear pro-Western pro-Christian bias. It does not want Christian conversion projects in India to get into bad press or trouble. At the same time it wants to raise the bogey of Islamic domination for Christian West. That Templeton Foundation is a partner in Pew exercise should make things clear for a keen observer of the US think-tanks and policy centres. Yet the data that has been collected by Pew is valuable as it can still be used by Hindu-Buddhists for shaping their future.

    According to the report the net losers are Buddhists in the demographic race. Though the report projects Hindus as being positioned as the third largest religious group, this needs to be taken with a sac of salt because even here, the trends are clear. The percentage of population of Hindus is steadily declining, both within India (where for the first time after partition it has dipped lower than 80 percent) and in the Asia-Pacific region. The increase in Hindu population in absolute numbers with decrease in their percentage of composition in both India and Asia-Pacific region is a very dangerous situation. It will have serious negative implications for Hindus who are living in areas where they would be reduced to minorities, like in Bangladesh or Malaysia, where they may be systematically and steadily driven to extinction with the world not even murmuring in low decibels.

    If we take Hindu populations in the Western world (both Europe and US), any significant change, if it is to occur, has to happen only through migration. Thus, in United States by 2050, Hindus will be a meagre 0.8 percent without new migration and Buddists 1.2 percent. With migration, both religious groups will constitute 1.3 and 1.4 percent of the population respectivley. In comparison, Muslims will reach 1.4 percent without migration and 2.4 percent with migration. In Europe, Muslim population without migration would reach 8.4 percent and with migration, 10.2 percent. As against this, both Hindu and Buddhist populations will remain at 0.2 and 0.4 percentages without and with migrations respectively.

    In other words despite occasional favourable situations like the ’60s movements and the trend in meditation researches which favour Buddhism, there is no ‘switching’ of people to Hinduism or Buddhism. The survival and growth of religions may also be tied to at least some crucial extent to more mundane, materialist correlates. It may not be an accident that both Hinduism and Buddhism have been losing their institutional land holdings over the last two centuries.
    In both China and Japan Buddhist land holdings have been systematically taken over by the state – a trend which can be seen in India as well. On the other hand, Christian land holdings in Asia-Pacific region have been increasing steadily. Hindus and Buddhists cannot expect a Pew or more notorious USCIRF to prepare a report on this. In the end, Hindus need to have a Pew-like study of their religion, society and its dynamics and formulate strategies as well as course correction for their future.

    Ultimately, Pew is predicting a world dominated by Abrahamic-expansionist religions. Non-Abrahamic religions are here reduced to minorities in a way which may spell doom for them. Hindus and Buddhists need to explore pathways of survival in the coming clash of Abrahamic religions. For example, in 2014, Pew produced another report, limited to US, which explored the warmth each religious group felt for the other. Hindus and Buddhists scored better at warmth with atheists and agnostics (with Buddhists having an edge). Such strengths of perception need to be used by the adherents of these two religions to provide a global alternative to Abrahamic domination.

    @Tshering22 @Rashna @Mad Indian @maomao and others
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    Goodbye Bharathvarsh .... you were a good idea .... too idealistic for the real world sadly :namaste:
     
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    :mad: We can't allow this to happen.
     
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    Why Christianity Failed In India

    Although some parts of the article may not make sense but overall I think this guy makes sense.

    1) No threat to hinduism because Chinese converted more. There is resilience in Hinduism but how much I am not sure. China is converting to Christianity, but we lost half of our country to muslims already. Does that count or not?

    2) Indic religions proselytize: I do not completely agree with it. Hinduism is not organized in the sense of Abrahamic religions and hence even small ghar wapsi now raises so much eyebrows. Dayanand Saraswati is not given his due credit in history because he initiated the ghar wapsi program 2 centuries ago. There is no way to compare the philosophy. Ofcourse a religion is challenged it will find ways to survive but neither Hinduism or Budhism has a big mandate for conversion given by the supreme God.

    3) Funding: this is the biggest point made by this article. I agree on this one. If on the whole conversion factory gets 4000 crore a year and you take out 50% as operating cost. 2000 crore for conversion and for simplicity if each convert takes 10 lakhs each, we get 20000 converts, which is definitely not a big number. But given the rabid noise made by Christian organizations, I can infer that they pocket huge amount of money for themselves. So loss of livelihood make them angry against Ghar wapsi because the foreign donations would dry up. This would leave even less money for themselves.

    But the question is whether the figure quoted in this article is true.
     
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    Too late :( We are a secular republic , a republic irrigated on the blood of pagans.

    Kerala in 1921 - Muslims kill 10000 Hindus including rape , burning of women and plunder of temples in Moplah
    Direct action day 5000+ killed for an Islamic state
    Independence 500,000 killed to commemorate the new Islam ka quila
    Khalistan movement 35,000 Hindus killed in one decade , 1980 to 1990
    Kashmir insurgency 300,000 hindus forced to be refugees in their own country , many killed by so called Secular Terrorists
    North East Insurgencies Varying number of hindus killed various insurgencies that continue till date.
    Gujarat 2002 - 59 burned alive + 259 more in riots because why not ...

    Are you unsatisfied with India..... don't worry , just slaughter some Hindus
    At every step India has given up lives of Hindus to maintain its secularism and get a pat on its back from westerm paymasters
    and I am not even including the 71 genocide in BD or the slow motion genocide in BD & PAK currently underway. Also not counting the 50,000 killed in SL civil war.
     
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    As radical Islam rises and spreads through mostly atheist Europe and starts dominates their polity and eventually Islamisise those nation states, I see a dark times in the world. As Xians are in full swing evangelism in the east reducing any resistance to radical islam to zilch by converting communities into Xians thus fueling Islamic dominance in the east; however Xians are doing nothing for the godless societies in the west!

    Looking at the history of Islam and how the present is, you need not be a genius to know what will happen if Xian domination of the west weakens! Basically, Bedouin religion will wreck havoc as it did in the past with a vengeance (that's it's basic nature due various factors be is topographical, psychological or cultural) .....Dimmism will rise if the West does not stop spread of unchecked islam through immigration and rabid reproduction!!

    Dark times ahead due to despising nature of Abrahmical religions especially Evangelists and Jihadis!
     
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    Don't worry ... westerners are as intolerant as islamists .... they will lecture you on tolerance and kill muslims in their own lands :lol:
     
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    It would be funny but for the fact that it is very true :tsk:
     
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    :rolleyes: Why are we so sickular?
     
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    Dont think Xtians are stupid like us. They dint become the largest religion in the world by love and peace. Already the right wing is rising there. Recently Austria banned the activities of the Mosque citing "security reasons". Expect more such counter measures. Only sore losers will be the Dharmics.
     
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    Do you have the confidence to say "Dharmic religions are the only true religions?" .....
    The Others say that about their own ....
    I think it is just low self esteem.
     
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    Our faith pre-dates others. Naturally there is no superiority complex there. There is no concept of comparisons.

     
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    I understand what you are trying to say. But hear me out.
    There must come a time when we have to say enough is enough.
    Under this Secularism ka burqa we have allowed everything from cow slaughter to polygamy to forced conversions.
    Most Indians think they will win due to superiority of their Ideas. While Ideas are not only superior , but I would say these Ideas are the essence of human thought. That fact alone will not guarantee the survival of Hinduism
    For Satyamev Jayathe to actually happen, someone will have to take up arms
     
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    In the past when we did that we were fighting mughals and not necessarily the converts, i think if not for the rajputs, marathas, and sikhs there would be no hindus left in india. I dont think we like blood anymore? We just like to call ourselves Rowdy is all. :rolleyes:
     
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    well i would like to remember only one thing.....

    " PAVITRANAYA SADHUNAM, VINASHAYACHA DUSHKRUTAM, DHARMA SAMSTHAPANAARTHAYA, SAMBHAVAMI YUGE YUGE".......

    " WHENEVER ADHARMA RISES, HE WILL RISE TO PROTECT THE DHARMA"......

    DHARMA MEANS TRUTH........

    "In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of truth, I advent Myself millennium after millennium"
     
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    Yada Yada hi dharmasya, glanirbhavati bharata

    Abhyutanam Adharmasya tadatmanam srijanmayaham

    Paritrayanyachach Sadhunam Vinashaycha dushkritam

    Dharma Sansthapanarthaya Sambhava Mi Yuge Yuge........




     
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    When he comes, there shall be no mercy what so ever.......

    Truth is very sour and I MEAN IT.......
     
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    Ha ha ha...

    I just quoted the last two lines....
     
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    He says he will come back to the world he created time and again, which nullifies the Dasavatar thinking.
     
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    Given the concept of Yuga can the avatars really be counted? Moreover it is mentioned they are cyclical and repetitive. I do not think our scriptures talk of THE END. They talk of everything starting all over again don't they?

     

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