Pakistani terrorists attacked Army Camp in J&K's Uri

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Do these attackers get instructions from somewhere or do they all act independently. If they are sent by someone especially by people in Paki army, government or intelligence, Can we not take out those individuals or do we lack intel/evidences?
 

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Do these attackers get instructions from somewhere or do they all act independently. If they are sent by someone especially by people in Paki army, government or intelligence, Can we not take out those individuals or do we lack intel/evidences?
We lack Courage. 56" chest Jumlaman did not even consider this incident serious enough to attend the "High Level Meeting". All we will get is newsbite. May be another ISI contingent is redying for India trip, just like pathankot.
 

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It's a terrible loss to IA receiving causality almost of a strength of platoon by handful suicidal jihadis or may be SSG . It's really outrageous situation and in my opinion India must retaliate heavily in near future. As reports indicated that the Army base is located in the vicinity of LOC, so there are high chances that Pak military in cahoot with LeT was involved in carrying out this attack to humiliate and demoralize our military and strategic establishments. This attack has even more repercussions as it will elevate the morale of local tangos of Hizbul who are till now receiving heavy beating from IA. It's high time to take some serious action against PAK by carrying out cross border raids in the vulnerable areas of Pak side by using artillery cover. We need to let go the hesitation to avoid breaking of cease fire agreement as it's not stopped unnecessary blood spilling of our armed forces in the valley. Let them bleed too; why should only our soldiers be sacrificed. Our forces should not become the canon fodder to appease the world community on the name of peace and stability in South Asia. I bet that if the tensions in the northern region increases China too will find itself in the back foot as it has so much stakes involved in CPEC in the vicinity, the least it wants artillery shells flying over the silk route they are constructing; so it will have a mitigating effect on Pak to go further against India if we initiate a low intensity conflict in the valley. This incidence, indeed, should give IA a moral authority to flush out each and every terrorist whether local or foreigner out of the valley with a brute force.
 

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It's a terrible loss to IA receiving causality almost of a strength of platoon by handful suicidal jihadis or may be SSG . It's really outrageous situation and in my opinion India must retaliate heavily in near future. As reports indicated that the Army base is located in the vicinity of LOC, so there are high chances that Pak military in cahoot with LeT was involved in carrying out this attack to humiliate and demoralize our military and strategic establishments. This attack has even more repercussions as it will elevate the morale of local tangos of Hizbul who are till now receiving heavy beating from IA. It's high time to take some serious action against PAK by carrying out cross border raids in the vulnerable areas of Pak side by using artillery cover. We need to let go the hesitation to avoid breaking of cease fire agreement as it's not stopped unnecessary blood spilling of our armed forces in the valley. Let them bleed too; why should only our soldiers be sacrificed. Our forces should not become the canon fodder to appease the world community on the name of peace and stability in South Asia. I bet that if the tensions in the northern region increases China too will find itself in the back foot as it has so much stakes involved in CPEC in the vicinity, the least it wants artillery shells flying over the silk route they are constructing; so it will have a mitigating effect on Pak to go further against India if we initiate a low intensity conflict in the valley. This incidence, indeed, should give IA a moral authority to flush out each and every terrorist whether local or foreigner out of the valley with a brute force.
they have already lost 1k + soldiers in zarrb e azab
 

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Kargil was a total failure. ABV wanted to win Nobel Peace prize and he almost pulled this off over the dead bodies of more than 500 Indian soldiers. I will choose real victory over "moral victory" on any given day.

BTW, brace for the "Kadi Neenda" from our brave RW government, coming through. :scared2:
Perhaps you should re-visit Kargil Ops. If ABV were after nobel prize (I do not say it was not his motivation but to blame him for the deaths of 547 of our brave jawaan and soldiers is incredulous and callous to say the least), we

1. Would not have involved the airforce from the word go. It was.
2. Would Not have deployed our nuke-tipped missiles, ready to launch at a minutes notice. But we did.
3. Paras and SFs WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN given a free hand for cross LoC ops. But they were. There were several successful and not so successful ops. All this is well documented by Gaurav Sawant and even Praveen "My garnny crossed the LoC" Swamy.

The armed forces were woefully under prepared after years of "soft" defense budgets under PVN/MMS combine followed by Gowda/Gujral. Our intelligence capabilities had been famously sacrificed by Gujral only a year earlier. We had no idea about TSP plans, their nuke arsenal and deployment. It's only much much later that we came to know that they were nook nood.

Kargil WAS a real victory. Bakis can never ever use that route again and they curse their jarnails for it day and night.

Getting back to these ops..some tough questions need to be asked.

1. Gen Hasnain claims that there were specific intelligence inputs. Why did the piglets still manage to enter the area? Did they use the same ingress routes as the last attack on Uri? If yes, then how and why was this allowed?

2. What were the cause of such high casualties? It seems that most were due to burning tents. After the previous incident in Uri where we lost most of our jawans not to terrorists but to fire in their bunkers started by kerosene lamps, why were we not prepared to avoid such incidents wherever they could happen?

3. What was the role of QRT in this incident? If we follow the timeline carefully, the piglets entered around 5:15 A.M. and were neutralised not very long after. This implies that much of our casualties happened during the critical period between detection and engagement. Just like the previous attacks in Uri and Pathankot. What lessons were learned then and what have we learned now?

4. What casualties did we suffer that could have been prevented but for the lack of better equipment? Who is responsible for this clusterf**k? Identify and punish the politicos, MoD babus and army personnel responsible.

5. What options do we have for retaliation?
 

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Time to Act ...... at least take control of their forward post and let them try .....
 

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We must go to war .............. tell these cowards we can put them to dust
 

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We lack Courage. 56" chest Jumlaman did not even consider this incident serious enough to attend the "High Level Meeting". All we will get is newsbite. May be another ISI contingent is redying for India trip, just like pathankot.
We should facilitate killing of several high level rogue generals in Pak army by their own people. Their deaths would demoralise these hired extremists and make them re-think their policies.
 

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Patience brother, it is time to be strong and resolute ... we all are feeling the pain from the tragic loss of life...

There are few my observation below.

1. There will definitely be a covert operations in retaliations similar to one in a court in Quetta, but I am afraid overt operations not yet, in case of overt India will get no backing from any international quarters, at this point of time war is out of question... it is last resort.
2. Pakistanis want India to do something big so that they can draw International attention... and then they say we are ready to discuss Kashmir, which India will not want... Internationalization of Kashmir issue last thing to do... we have to keep away the third parties...
3. There must be something wrong in the security procedures in and around army installations, a serious relook at it is required.
4, Mentally we have to be prepared for more suicide attacks in future... the enemy is getting desperate ,,,
Everyone here including myself want vengeance ,but it should not be a knee jerk response. Rather a cold and calculated one. And it should be unethical. No civilian bullshit or whatever.....
BTW, this is how western media is covering it.
 

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I like how many muslims and congress /AAP supporters on social media are pretending things were any better under their regime.

Under their regime Mumbai burned for days in 2008 and they didn't do anything to retaliate for it.

Politics in this issue is to be avoided I know,but the leftists don't.
 

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Mother india lost 17 brave hearts? Is it true
We could have save few of them if we had better gear (BPJ, BALLISTIC HELMETS, MCIWS )
Drones like predator is a better option to eliminate loc camps




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Everyone here including myself want vengeance ,but it should not be a knee jerk response. Rather a cold and calculated one. And it should be unethical. No civilian bullshit or whatever.....
BTW, this is how western media is covering it.
Associate press says "REBELS"
WTF..

These scums are one of the primary reasons why we have terrorists walking so free
 

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TIME TO WAR......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!::!:::::::!!!!!!
 

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Everyone here including myself want vengeance ,but it should not be a knee jerk response. Rather a cold and calculated one. And it should be unethical. No civilian bullshit or whatever.....
BTW, this is how western media is covering it.
There must a bloody reprisal attack on Pakistan there is no two opinion on it... just saw the interview of Retd General S. Roy Chaudhury over TV... he said there have to be a out of box thinking now and time has come... build similar fedyeen squad for attacks into Pakistan ...

Pakistan is baiting India for a overt action so that they can draw international attention ...then the chorus will start for talks that is exactly what Pakistan wants...
 

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With poonch and then this attack, our libtards can kiss "remove AFSPA" campaign good bye for this year.
You underestimate the cretins. Have you not seen the attempted parrallels these scum have tried to establish between stone-pelters and the rogues who burned buses in Banaglore?

They'll still campaign against AFSPA and make bogus claims that such "lash-outs" were due to AFSPA and that removal of the act and army itself "as a gesture of goodwill" "will bring eternal peace and nizaam-e-mustafa"

Just wait for the drama to begin.
 

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By war it doesn't mean to end all Jihadi infrastructure once and for all, move Armored vehicles close to the border.

Its about retaliate at least in equal measure, to give a signal that we won't sit idle. Open Arty on Paki posts, Airstrike on their military installations. This is what we did in Neeelam valley before cease fire.

It was only Pakis who declared unilateral cease fire under the guise of Eid after their posts were pulverised by Army.
 

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Modi has assured the nation that he won't let these Jihadis unpunished.

I take his word as a patriot and a man who celebrate his Diwali among troops not as Politician or a PM.
 
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All this talk of 'we must take action etc etc' is all hogwash. Our fukin political masters are cowards. All talk and no action. We need to bring down intense artillery barrages on the Paki posts to teach them a lesson. What's the fukin use of all that hardware we've got? We need to get those Bofors up and firing. There's no other alternative than plastering the Paki army posts along the LoC continuously till they cry halt.

But take my word. There will be homilies and a lot of blah blah but no counter action taken.

Though this attack was on an administrative base where most were barbers, dhobis and cooks assembled for allocation to forward posts due to change over of units, but 17 of them martyred is unacceptable. Some heads must roll too because of the 'chalta hai' attitude and not adhering to laid down SOPs. We have failed to learn lessons from earlier incidents and need to wake up.

Though we knew that there would be a terror attack as Nawaz was to address the UNGA in a couple of days, we took no preventive action. This sucks!

What is the great Parrikar who spewed gas that terror will be fought with terror, going to do now? More of 'we need to teach them a lesson' etc etc garbage? What is the NSA's plan? What is Modi with his 56 inch chest going to do?

Answer: Fuk-all!
 
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