Pakistan to America: What have you done for us lately?

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    Pakistan to America: What have you done for us lately?

     
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    Pakistan seeks civilian nuclear aid, but U.S. unlikely to deliver

     
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    New approach in ties with US

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    Islamabad feels it is time to tell Washington to move on from symbolism and concretely address Pakistan’s core security concerns and economic needs. –Photo by AP

     
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    Strategic dialogue

     
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    US should also do more: FM Qureshi

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    President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani, Chief of Amry Staff General Kayani and Forgien Minister Quershi discuss the upcoming US-Pakistan talks during a meeting. –APP Photo


     
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    Pakistan to ask for more understanding at US talks

     
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    US officials laying ground for strategic dialogue

     
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    Pak-US strategic dialogue to have broad agenda: Holbrooke

     
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    I don't know what about the 10's of billions of dollars in terms of Aid.

    The money they spent preparing for a war with India.

    What about the F-16's

    Cobra attack helicopters

    Weapons systems to fight insurgency's


    Pakistan has a got a lot of nerve to ask such a question.

    when they themselves has done absolute Jack.

    They Only started Fighting a year ago when the Taliban turned on them.

    The reason the Americans are striking inside Taliban is because of Pakistan's In-action on all counts.
     
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    Pak daydream, wake-up call

     
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    Briefing On Upcoming U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue

     
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    What else does Pakistan want from the U.S. ?? After getting their on all the fancy war-toys like F-16s, Harpoons, JDAMs etc and billions in economic aid over the past decade, what else is left ? Do they the US to literally bank-roll their economy ?
     
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    The thing we have to throw a spanner into Uncles plans into the region
     
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    The Plan was to defeat the Taliban.
    But with Pakistan acting as a buffer between them and America. That's impossible now.

    The Americans now want to leave, realising that without Pakistani support the Taliban will never fall
    The only other option is to invade Pakistan territory and start hitting the Taliban there, this will just add to their list of head aches.

    So now they want to leave, and the only way to do that is to have a cease fire in the Region.
    Pakistan is now leverage its position to facilitate the cease fire on its terms.

    But once Uncle Sam stops playing an active role in the region.
    the Iranians, Russians and Indians are just going to fill up that void.

    Pakistan is still under the delusion it can return things to the status quo and establish Taliban in Afghanistan.

    the day the Taliban left, Afghanistan was flooded with Iranian and Indian culture. Movies, tv , magazines all the entertainment we take for granted did not exist under the Taliban.
    Once it fell It was India and Iran that filled that void.

    Pakistan has no leverage left in Afghanistan.
    Its terror tactics will only work so far.

    It also has less resources then all the powers invested in the region.

    Its options are limited and prospects low.
     
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    The old adage goes like this - Beggars are not choosers. But Pakistan is unique that they beg for alms but they also want to choose what they need. Choosy beggars!!!!.
     
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    After Kerry Lugar Bill, pakistan has been exposed as an International AID Seeker (B*ggar) and mercenaries working for USA, NATO or anyone who pays, with its already Bankrupt Economy and Perpetual Civil Wars!!
     
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    If we look at past 62 years of history Pakistan always tried to rope in USA for disputes with india.Pakistani thinks its USA's obligation to deliver it Kashmir,Money,Arms etc..or any perceived dispute with india...latest being Water about which recent hullabaloo they have been making.USA always tried to help pakistan but at some point or another after nixon it tried to resisted getting embroiled into indo-pak affairs.Bill clinton did tried to get involved into kashmir through his sec.of state Albright during his first term but he burnt his hand and by 2nd term he leaned towards india and Albright was gone.Same is going on with Obama.Its something in democrat Presidents that they think they can solve indo-pak problem but all end up doing opposite by the time they leave office.Hope indian leadership's love fest with USA administration is over with huge shock in Afghanistan,on nuke deal and on restriction on high technology co-operation and even on relationship with iran or on Daivd headly affairs and Usa double standards on the taliban and L-E-T.What usa want is that india pays price for its War on terror in afghanistan thats why they keep on linking AFPAK with kashmir.They want india to assuage pakistan so that they can have pakistan's co-operation.Thats why you always hear sermon from usa officials that Al-qaida/taliban is threat to usa-ind-pak.well india was never there at first it was pulled in and indian leadership eagerly bought up this theory and now paying for it.
     
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    No its not begging as you point out.its called milking,which pakistani leadership knows how to do better.the difference here is that indian leadership just for truncated civil nuke deal opposed spoilt its relation with iran.USa was opposed to IPI so india shelved it on usa's insistence in 2007.But same usa is not opposed to pakistan-iran gas pipeline.its called usa's perfidy.look here how HOLBROOKE try to skip iran-pak gas pipeline question by saying i' ve to catch plane.

    Briefing On Upcoming U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue
     
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    India is paying the price. The west of India is being given on a platter by US to Pakistan. Entire Asia on another platter to China. So, when Obama comes a calling to India this summer, he perhaps plans to throw a few crumbs
    and advice India to be a source of stability and peace in Asia and Indian media does Jai ho!
     
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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Pak-to-US-Terror-bill-worth-35-billion-nuke-deal/articleshow/5706539.cms

    WASHINGTON: Pakistan is coming up with a bill of $ 35 billion for its efforts in the war on terror and a wish-list that includes a nuclear deal similar to the US-India agreement as it prepares to engage Washington this coming week in what officials from both sides say is the most comprehensive dialogue in their bilateral history.

    Turning the US mantra that Pakistan should "do more" in the war on terror, Pakistani officials, in an aggressive turnaround, have said Pakistan has done enough and it is now the United States turn to do more, as they set off to Washington for talks on the heels of what they claim is unprecedented success against the Taliban.

    Pakistan has "captured" nearly half the top Taliban leadership, including the organisation's No.2 Mullah Baradar, in recent weeks in the run-up to the talks. Although U.N and Afghan officials accuse the Pakistanis, who were hosting the Taliban leadership, took them in to sabotage peace talks being held outside Islamabad's patronage, U.S officials said on Friday that they were "gratified" by the arrests.

    "We are extremely gratified... he is where he belongs," the Obama administration's Af-Pak envoy Richard Holbrooke said about Baradar's arrest by Pakistan as he previewed the upcoming talks with reporters at the State Department on Friday, adding, "And many other people have been picked up or eliminated, and this is putting much more pressure on the Taliban. And this is a good thing for the simplest of reasons: It is good for the military efforts that are underway in Afghanistan."

    Holbrooke also endorsed a central role for the Pakistani military at the talks, asking "how can you have a strategic dialogue without including the military?" In a move that has caused some disquiet in Pakistan itself, the country's army chief Pervez Ashfaq Kiyani and spy chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha are members of the delegation, ostensibly led by Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Kiyani is said to have set the agenda for the talks in preparatory meetings in Pakistan.

    "If we have a strategic dialogue in our country, we're going to include the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or some other representative. So we are very pleased that General Kayani is part of this delegation. We think that it's one country, one government, one team. It was their decision and we welcomed it," Holbrooke said. Washington in recent weeks has noticeably cooled down its criticism of the over-arching role played by the Pakistan military in the country's affairs.

    Pakistan's wish-list for the Obama administration includes not only speeding up disbursements in bilateral aid under the Kerry-Lugar package and Coalition Support Funds, both of which are audited for more precise use and claim, but enhanced support for its economy, particularly in the energy sector. Vast swathes of the country are now under 8 to 12 hour power cuts and Islamabad is presenting this as one reason why Washington should offer a civilian nuclear deal to Pakistan similar to the US-India deal, although experts say Pakistan has no capacity to absorb or implement such an agreement even if it were to pass international scrutiny.

    US officials remain non-committal about the deal. "We have a very broad and complex agenda in these talks... and we're going to listen carefully to whatever the Pakistanis say," Holbrooke said cautiously when asked about a possible nuclear deal. In fact, no one in Washington takes Pakistan $ 35 billion claim as its total cost in the war on terror arrived at during internal deliberations in Islamabad last week, seriously.

    But Holbrooke held out the prospect of enhanced aid in other areas and sectors, promising a few surprise announcements. "This is not a photo op, although you will have an opportunity to take a photo. This is an intense, serious dialogue bilaterally between the US. and Pakistan," he said in a hurried briefing at the state department that followed a White House meeting of principals where, Holbrooke said, -- "almost every senior person in the United States foreign policy community was in the room" to discuss US policy for the region.

    Pakistan too is striving to broad-base its ties with the US on the same lines as India's expansive engagement, covering sector beyond security. Indicative of the broad agenda for the March 24 talks, the Pakistani delegation led by Foreign Miniser Qureshi includes Minister of Defense Mukhtar Ahmad, Finance Minister nominee Abdul Shaikh, Advisor to the Prime Minister on Social Issues Wazir Ali; Advisor to the Prime Minister on Agriculture and Water Majidullah; the Chief of Staff of the Army General Kayani and his delegation of military advisors; Ambassador Hussain Haqqani; Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir; and Secretaries of Information Technology, Water and Power, Finance, Agriculture, Defense, among others.

    The US delegation, led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton includes Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mullen, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew, Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Neal Wolin, National Security Council Senior Director David Lipton, Deputy U.S. Trade Representative Marantis, the Administrator of USAID Raj Shah, myself, Ambassador Anne Patterson and Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy Judith McHale, Under Secretary of Defense Michele Flournoy and Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense David Sydney, among others.
     

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