Pakistan seeks railway engines from India

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renting is good to hear for pak people or govt, if they hear buying Indian means they will die..
may be these engines will be observed by chini engg, to build better engines for third world countries...
ok I understand their egos will get a beating. But it still doesnt satisfy me. Why should we agree to rent. Is it more profitable for us ? what is the reason behind 'renting'..?
 

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So what...? let the pukis borrow.. We are not running a charity here in India.. We have got poor people to feed too.
Interesting part is no body willing to lend money to nuclear and unclear pak, not even IMF and ADB, forget Arabs and America is not in picture now..


Mod Edit: Please spell properly.It's America not 'ameereeka'.
 

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But they will still make some ''baigairate'' (Shameless) excuses to keep their head up. What Pakistani mullah brigade is going to say about Hindu engines would be interesting to see.
 

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But they will still make some ''baigairate'' (Shameless) excuses to keep their head up. What Pakistani mullah brigade is going to say about Hindu engines would be interesting to see.
Pakistan since inception has been the most 'baigairat' nation on the planet (from Jinnah's decision to ask US for AID/Bhik to pakistani Generals asking US to adopt them so that there will be no PA on US army in pakistan). As per mullah Brigade they will spew same old BS - this time it would be that they will walk on foot from Karachi to Lahore but not travel by trains pulled by Indian locos. In fact, they will travel by all means but foot; however, they (these wretched genocidal mullahs) will make sure that the common pakistani breaks his each bone by walking on foot, as Mullahs will get busy bombing their own railways now!

Win Win situation for us!
 

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Ok can we stop talking in riddles and be more specific.
Can you give details on such deals, where (according to you) India bought Chinese locos for their Railways?

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Virendra
 

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Ok. Indians bought hardware for metro from china. But this is going OT.

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Secure payment first for such renting. We are not developed country yet.
 

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What India should do:

  • Pakistan must pay security deposit in gold for the 50 locomotives before these locomotives are sent to Pakistan. The security deposit will be refunded when Pakistan hands back these locomotives to India.
  • Pakistan must pay rent on time and without delay.
  • In case there is delay, India gets to keep the security deposit and Pakistan the locomotives.
  • Safety and security of these locomotives are entirely Pakistani responsibility. Locomotives destroyed in terrorists attacks are included. Accusations that RAW, Mossad, CIA backed terrorists destroyed the locomotives will not be entertained.

If Pakistan agrees to these terms and conditions, we can go ahead with the deal.
 

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^^ Ok thanks for the information. Let us stick to Pakistan Railways for the moment and not talk about Delhi Metro any further.
 

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agentperry I think he is talking about the metro rails, while the discussion is about Indian Railway and Pakistani Railway, I hope he wont bother back to derail the train....wooops I mean the thread.
 

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They won't come back. Each working WDM3A locomotive can be valued at 15 crore INR.

I hope they're only leasing older AlCo locomotives (WDM-3A/WDM-2), and not newer WDG-3A and WDM-3D. They have a lot of DLW (Diesel Loco Works, Varanasi) intellectual property that Pak could copy. Leasing newer WDG-4/WDP-4 class ones would be outrageous.

India is herself facing engine shortage how can it rent ?
Exactly. Southern zones (SR, SCR, SWR) are especially feeling the crunch. I recently spotted a Ludhiana shed locomotive here in Hyderabad. There's no train that passes Hyderabad, that has a LDH link.
 

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Pak wants 50 Indian engines, Railways says no

"Domestic demand remains high. Any commitment to Pakistan at this stage would mean a compromise on domestic requirement," said Rajeev Mehrotra, managing director of Rail India Technical and Economic Services, which supervises overseas operations.
The officials also said they had received no official communication on the proposal while external affairs ministry officials said they had "no idea".
But despite this, tenders for the supply of engines to Bangladesh and Myanmar are currently being processed. :p
Full article:Pak wants 50 Indian engines, Railways says no - Hindustan Times
 

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Don't you guys think given pak train engines are like giving cyanide pills to our soldiers during war??
 

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Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India | Business | DAWN.COM
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is exploring the option of importing locomotives from India to overcome a severe shortage which has badly affected freight and passenger operations of Pakistan Railways.

Informed sources told Dawn on Monday that import of locomotives from India was one of the options the government was currently studying.

Among other options under consideration is an offer by International Finance Corporation (IFC), a commercial arm of the World Bank, to participate in a public-private partnership to meet Pakistan Railways` fleet shortage and import of locomotives from China, Germany and the United States.

The idea of locomotives` import from India has come from a Karachi-based company named Pemcon International Constructors which has reported that `all technical aspects of acceptability of Indian locomotives have already been agreed between Rites Ltd, the export wing of Indian Railways, and Pakistan Railways a couple of years ago` Pakistan Railways, the sources said, was arranging a meeting on Feb 2 in New Delhi of all relevant Indian stakeholders, including senior officials of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, Ministry of Indian Railways, chairman of Indian Railways, Rites Ltd and Pakistani High Commission.The two sides are expected to discuss finalisation of a `dry leasing agreement` for locomotives` import.

The sources said that Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmad Bilour and Minister for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar had already given a go-ahead for the talks to determine how many locomotives could be made available by Rites Ltd of India Officials said the IFC had also expressed its interest to get involved in potential private sector investment in the PR through infrastructure project development facility (IPDF) of the ministry of finance and Railways` newly created PublicPrivate Partnership (PPP) depart-ment.

The PPP process involves developing the railways` sector on a commercial basis through an increased role of the private sector in the operation and management of locomotives. The IFC is offering an advisory role as well as investment in the railways.

The number of operational locomotives of the Pakistan Railways has drastically come down just to 149 from 528 in a matter of a few years.

The PR`s overdraft has exceeded Rs40 billion, debt liability touched Rs26 billion and operational losses stood at Rs6 billion as of December 15, 2011, forcing the prime minister to put an indefinite moratorium on repayment of PR`s interest pay-ments.

The prime minister had directed the ministry of finance to instruct the State Bank of Pakistan to withhold at source deductions till such time as it is agreed that PR`s financial position permitted interest repayments.

Simultaneously, the PR has sought immediate disposal of railways` lands for generating funds to upgrade railways` operations for survival and long-term sustainability.

The secretary of railways has informed the government that rent is not being recovered for the land leased out to several public and private parties and these lands are under unauthorised occupation of influentialencroachers, state institutions and because of the possibility of law and order situation, no action is being taken against them.

Due to financial difficulties and non-availability of full fleet of locomotives, only profitable routes were at present in operation, according to Pakistan Railways.

The PR operated 86 trains in Nov 2011 as compared to 204 in Nov 2010 and 234 in Nov 2009, according to secretary of railways.

Besides, 68 per cent of rail tracks required either replacement or rehabilitation. On Dec 14, revenue from freight was just Rs1.2 million while it was Rs21.5 million on the same day last year and 713 loaded wagons were awaiting dispatch.
 

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