Pakistan likely to use Nuclear weapons on India "a few days" into war: US ambassador

[pmaitra]

^^

Yes, they are inaccurate, but can reach US nonetheless.

I am not very sure about the US Patriot system and many have questioned its effectiveness, otherwise US would not have been hard-pressing for the European Missile Shield.

Said that, North Korea managed to use their missiles as a deterrence, their inaccuracy notwithstanding.

To get back to the point, if India has ICBM capability, no one will try to stop India from nuking Pakistan in retaliation. At most they will offer lecture in front of the press in their respective capitals, just like they did during the Russo-Georgian War.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They'll just give them more F-16s.

What else can they give? Yanks won't entrust Pak with advanced weaponry like F-35s, since anything in Pakistan usually ends up in Chinese databases. I'm sure the Chinese have also looked at Pak's F-16s in the past, considering that Pakistan first got its Falcons in the 80s when China was considered America's major Asian ally.

At the current rate, Pakistan will still be receiving JF-17s and F-16s while India is moving into 5th gen.

This means USA has the confidence to take on China alone?? Which is better for India also.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

^^

Yes, they are inaccurate, but can reach US nonetheless.

I am not very sure about the US Patriot system and many have questioned its effectiveness, otherwise US would not have been hard-pressing for the European Missile Shield.

Said that, North Korea managed to use their missiles as a deterrence, their inaccuracy notwithstanding.

To get back to the point, if India has ICBM capability, no one will try to stop India from nuking Pakistan in retaliation. At most they will offer lecture in front of the press in their respective capitals, just like they did during the Russo-Goergian War.

Even more they will avoid getting involved all together like in the past.

 

[civfanatic]

This means USA has the confidence to take on China alone?? Which is better for India also.

LF, a couple of Ohio-class subs in the South China sea and F-22s flying CAP from Okinawa or even Guam are more than enough to shut down China in case an actual conflict breaks out. The only real military threat posed by China are its conventional ballistic/cruise missiles aimed at Taiwan, Okinawa, and even USN CBGs, though I'm sure the USA has effective countermeasures against this also.

The US nor China is interested in an overt military engagement. What they are doing instead is playing a geopolitical chess game in Pakistan, and to a lesser degree in SE Asia.

 

[pmaitra]

Even more they will avoid getting involved all together like in the past.

^^

Exactly. Given the amount of money the western countries are trying to make out of India, they will stay mute till the point comes when India achieves 70% indigenisation.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF, a couple of Ohio-class subs in the South China sea and F-22s flying CAP from Okinawa or even Guam are more than enough to shut down China in case an actual conflict breaks out. The only real military threat posed by China are its conventional ballistic/cruise missiles aimed at Taiwan, Okinawa, and even USN CBGs, though I'm sure the USA has effective countermeasures against this also.

The US nor China is interested in an overt military engagement. What they are doing instead is playing a geopolitical chess game in Pakistan, and to a lesser degree in SE Asia.

True but Chinese proxies will also be actively involved and they are all nuclear.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Taepodong can hardly be considered a threat, especially to the U.S. which is located thousands of km away.

The main deterrence that North Korea posesses is not nuclear in nature, but a huge assortment of artillery (i.e. many thousands of pieces) aimed at Seoul and major South Korean population centers, which are located very close to the North Korean border.
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Tapedongs will be a threat even if they are not accurate because North Korea has slowly been increasing their range probably with Chinese help instead of hitting california if they hit Oregon they will still view it as a success.

 

[Sikh_warrior]

1. World community or anyone else is not in charge of our strategic assets. This is no Pakistan.

2. Nuclear attack on Indian soil will be responded with nuclear retaliation. Survival postulate is devised to surmount the International/Extraterrestrial pressure.

3. We have second strike capability. Countries who undermine this aspect of Indian Strategic power are either too weak to be well informed or are smoking hash in some cave.

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There will be retaliation. Be it Cong or CPI holding the south block.

Neither Pak nor China will ever mistake of getting that calculation wrong.

@Topic

US assigns a hell load of analysis job to its ambassadors all around the world so they come up with a partially futile logic which will address only the temporary situation.

Very brave words i hear for ritaliating against pak nuke attack!

just one question.....we havent even responded to the various terrorists attacks on india....including the attack on parliament and 26/11.....let alone a nuke retaliation!

we were embaressed by mobilising the army after parliament attack, and stood face to face with pak army, they teased us a lot, and we went back!

 

[heartrocker22]

India is slowly getting ready to take on nuclear pakistan.

Last time when parliament was attacked india had it warships moved toward pakistan and ready to launch a war but pakistan would have launch nuclear attack from the start. There were report that pakistan had missile targeted to all our major metro cities. In reply India would have launch its nuclear missile.That war would have meant massive casualities on both sides and most probable end of pakistan That time india din't have any nuclear defence shield which now india is builiding aggressively with their anti ballistic missile defence.....
Once this objective is attained pakistan nuclear arsenal wont matter that much as it was in the past and India can afford to go war with dipshit pakistan........
and now with our nuclear triad nearing completion not only pakis but even china will be wary of us
u see in a nuclear war between india and pakistan .. pakistan got nothing to lose, its a failed state as it is but we got lot to lose. our last 25 yrs development ....... but still there is a limit to everything

 

[nrj]

Very brave words i hear for ritaliating against pak nuke attack!

just one question.....we havent even responded to the various terrorists attacks on india....including the attack on parliament and 26/11.....let alone a nuke retaliation!

we were embaressed by mobilising the army after parliament attack, and stood face to face with pak army, they teased us a lot, and we went back!

We responded after parliament & 26/11 attack.

What internatonal pressure pak is facing today has a lot to do with India.

And we were not embarrased in 2001. That was intensely serious standoff. Our rapidly growing economy couldnt allow us to risk eveything for pakistani plays.

We denied to escalate situation thereby shooting down probability of nuclear war that can dismantle our growth. People behind the attack were seeking desperate reaction from India & we ruined their plan.

There is no pride in thoughtless endeavor.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Very brave words i hear for ritaliating against pak nuke attack!

just one question.....we havent even responded to the various terrorists attacks on india....including the attack on parliament and 26/11.....let alone a nuke retaliation!

we were embaressed by mobilising the army after parliament attack, and stood face to face with pak army, they teased us a lot, and we went back!

This shows a lack of intelligence and covert operations . Pakistan has always been proactive against India; and India has been reactive(and many times unreactive).

 

[Phenom]

This statement actually fits in well with the US policy.

There seems to be a strong effort by the West and by Pakistanis, to make it appear that Pakistan will use nukes the instance any war starts with India. This effort is made to make sure that India doesn't respond to any future Pakistani terror attacks.

And it seems to work, everytime there is a terror attack, there is a chorus of argument in the media about how we can't do anything because Pakistani nukes and eventually we end up doing nothing.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This statement actually fits in well with the US policy.

The west is happy to have India "contained" with Pakistan's nukes this way they don't have to worry about a future Indian ICBM,independent foreign policy etc... Pakistan's nuclear proliferation was completely brushed under the table while the Bush nuclear deal kept the carrot in front of India and also made India an pseudo-NPT member thru the Hyde act.

 

[anoop_mig25]

one question aren`t f-16 capable of carrying nuclear missiles ? if yes then whats logic is there to sell a fighter aircraft capable of carrying nuclear missiles in order to delay a country form using its nuclear bombs.i thinks its really absurd. wont pakistan use its f-16 to drop nuclaer bomb/missiles(air version) in first place instead of useing its own missiles

 

[chex3009]

one question aren`t f-16 capable of carrying nuclear missiles ? if yes then whats logic is there to sell a fighter aircraft capable of carrying nuclear missiles in order to delay a country form using its nuclear bombs.i thinks its really absurd. wont pakistan use its f-16 to drop nuclaer bomb/missiles(air version) in first place instead of useing its own missiles

The F-16s gifted to Pakistan can only be used inside Pakistani Airspace to defend it and not for any aggressive maneuvers under the US law and you know what yanks are capable of if that law is breached by pakistanis in any way.

 

[anoop_mig25]

The F-16s gifted to Pakistan can only be used inside Pakistani Airspace to defend it and not for any aggressive maneuvers under the US law and you know what yanks are capable of if that law is breached by pakistanis in any way.

but in case of war with india i donot think pakistan would be waiting for us permission to use f-16 against india. they would simply neglect american`s order.

and in war pakistan can easily use this argument

The F-16s gifted to Pakistan can only be used inside Pakistani Airspace to defend it and not for any aggressive maneuvers

that they were merely defending their country against an aggressors by using f-16 within their own air space

and what would america do slap sactions nothing more

 

[roma]

This shows a lack of intelligence and covert operations . Pakistan has always been proactive against India; and India has been reactive(and many times unreactive).

in 1965 wasnt it india that started with a pre-emptive strike on pakistan ( first ) ? ( knowing that pak had massed troops along the border )

 

[mayfair]

in 1965 wasnt it india that started with a pre-emptive strike on pakistan ( first ) ? ( knowing that pak had massed troops along the border )

err..No..it was in response to Operation Gibraltar when Pukis infiltrators crossed in Kashmir to foment trouble and anarchy..

 

[pmaitra]

in 1965 wasnt it india that started with a pre-emptive strike on pakistan ( first ) ? ( knowing that pak had massed troops along the border )

err..No..it was in response to Operation Gibraltar when Pukis infiltrators crossed in Kashmir to foment trouble and anarchy..

@Roma,

Mayfair is correct. We did it preemptively on the Punjab sector, but it was after the Pakistanis had launched Operation Gibraltar in J&K.

 

[Thai]

Who's play knive will be killed by knives !!!!!! Only the suicide dare to use nuke weapons first !