Pakistan-India Ties: ‘Sign a 50-year no-war pact’

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    http://tribune.com.pk/story/160259/pakistan-india-ties-sign-a-50-year-no-war-pact/

    LAHORE:
    India and Pakistan should sign a 50-year no-war pact so they can spend their money on the welfare of their people rather than on weapons, said speakers at a seminar on Pakistan-India Relations: Prospects and Retrospect on Saturday.
    “This pact will result in cuts to the defence budgets of both countries, enabling them to spend on the welfare of their people and economic uplift,” said columnist Ataur Rehman.
    The seminar was organised by the Forum for International Relations Development. Its chairman, Taha Qurashi, said the forum had prepared a five-year strategy to lobby politicians, intellectuals, opinion leaders and executives on both sides of the border to start a meaningful dialogue culminating in a summit and a 50-year no-war pact.
    News One director Sajjad Mir said “fair-minded” Pakistanis and Indians needed to come forward to promote peace between the two countries.
     
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    http://app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138074&Itemid=2

    No War Pact for 50 years between Pakistan & India suggested

    LAHORE, April 30, (APP): A no war pact for a period of fifty years should be inked between Pakistan and India to avoid perils of war and the process of composite dialogue must be continued without any interruption between the two countries.These views were expressed by speakers at a seminar on ‘Pakistan India Relations: Prospects and Retrospect’ organised by the Forum for International Relations Development (FIRD) in collaboration with Right Vision and Daily The Pak Banker at a local hotel.Journalists, academicians, scholars, intellectuals, politicians and think-tanks spoke on the occasion.
    The speakers included FIRD Chairman MBE Toaha Qurashi, FIRD Strategy & Coordination Director Arif Anis Malik, Columnist Ataur Rehman, Director News One Sajad Mir, leading journalists Rizwan Razi, Arshad Arif, Amir Hashim Khkwani, Rauf Tahir, Ajmal Shah Din, Mian Ahmad Yar, M. Shoaib Adil, Khalid Chaudhry, Naeem Arif, Khalid Mehmood Khalid, Inees Mufti, Naeem Bloch and Imtiaz-ul-Haq from South Asian Free Media Association (SAFMA).
    The participants said a no war pact for a period of fifty years should be inked between Pakistan and India to avoid perils of war and the process of composite dialogue must be continued without interruption.
    FIRD Chairman Toaha Qurashi said his organisation in its 2011-2015 strategy had charted to engage and consult politicians, intelligentsia, opinion makers , executives and statuary bodies of both the governments to initiate a meaningful dialogue eventually culminating into a summit and possibly brokering a fifty years ‘No War Pact between India and Pakistan.
    “The pact for fifty years between the two countries is an excellent idea which will, no doubt, cut defence budget of both the countries enabling them to spend it on the welfare of their people and economic uplift”, Ataur Rehman said.
    However, it is for India to be committed to the pact as it often says that it has nothing to do with Pakistan and its military establishment is for China.
    Sajad Mir said that people of both the countries need to understand the fact they have to do something solid to improve ties between the two countries. Fair minded Indians and Pakistanis have to come forward to take the reigns in their hands to solve bilateral issues, Mir said.
    Rizwan Razi said that India had given Pakistan the status of Most Favoured Nation, however, Pakistani traders could not properly export to India as it had put 24 trade barriers. On the other hand, Pakistan has given India a free hand to export products to Pakistan. India should be fair in its dealings with Pakistan for good relationships between the two countries.
    Arshad Ahmad Arif said, “Cutting defence budget does not make any difference as there are many nations in the world which have been making progress equally on defence and social fronts. There is a need to properly spend our education and health budgets. Our issues cannot be solved by signing the no war pact only until we come forward with good intentions to resolve issues”, he said.
    Amir Khakwani said that Kashmir issue has to be resolved to develop strong ties between the two countries. “No war pact would do anything as when war erupts all pacts prove to be futile. Both countries need to resolve their mutual issues”.
    “We need to be truthful in our dealings with each other and have faith in each other,” Rauf Tahir said. He said that Pakistan’s backwardness was because of corrupt practices in all walks of life. We spend 18 per cent of our total budget on defence and if 82 percent of the budget is spent on economic development in real terms, we would not lag behind any country of the world in march on the road to development, Tahir said.
    Maqsood and Imtiaz-ul-Haq said there was a dire need to probe the factors which led to sabotage of peace talks as whenever peace talks started, they were sabotaged for one or the other reason.
    On both sides there were elements that wanted to destroy peace of the region, however, serious minded people of both the countries had long been desiring strong relations between the two countries and peace in the region, Ajmal Shah Din and Malik Allah Yar said.
    Khalid Ch said that if both countries want peace in the region they should set aside their core issues for the time being and go forward to compromise on smaller things and afterward there would be a possibility to resolve the core issues.
    People of both the countries should try to improve their mutual relations and the civil and military leadership needed to change their attitudes, he said.
    Shoaib Adil and Nayyar Khan held Pakistani leadership responsible for the hostile relationships between the two countries. He quoted Indus Water Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah who had many times complained that his statements had always been distorted to create uncertainty among the people of both the countries.
    Wjahat Masood and Imtiaz-ul-Haq said there was a dire need to probe the factors which led to sabotage of peace talks.
     
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    What we need is a 50-year no-export-of-terrorism pact, then there shall be no war at least from Indian side.
     
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    The big question is how would the pact be honored by leaders from both sides in the future?? When your neighbor has a 2 trillion+ economy it is in your best interest to try to improve relations and trade. There are many other positives that can happen if third parties are kept out of talks to improve relations.
     
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    No War Pact for 50 years between Pakistan & India suggested!

    Did these guys get Kayani & Pasha's permission?
     
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    Very true. It does not take long for anyone to break an agreement. There are a lot of positives for Pakistan to improve relations with India. Unfortunately, they have certain 'values', as they claim, that might prevent them from improving relations. I'll name a few:
    • honour
    • valour
    • history
    • pride
    • religion (most important)
     
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    These values do not conflict in choosing the pork loving Chinese as an ally??? Especially the most important one??
     
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    :pound: :hail:

    LOL. If I may add, PRC also likes Uighur-bashing.
     
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    Expect them to sign that then croak about non-state actors and their own pissfull nature..
     
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    A country that has a legacy of violating all peace treaties and not upholding its commitment wonder why some want to believe them.
     
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    I'd say if they reciprocate by MFN to India and improve trade ties, that would be great for now and infact the easiest practical step towards normality.
    We can look after the other dreams later on.

    Regards,
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    Suggested by Pakistan eh? Thanks, but no thanks. Why let them ride on our back to economic progress, while still continuing unabated support to terrorist groups?
     
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    All this MFN status is nonsense. They want economic prosperity while bleeding us by a thousand cuts. Normalcy will be when Pakistan disintegrates.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Right !! a country which is a declared heaven for Muslims who has non-declared DPSP to bring rule of Islam all over the world can not be trusted.
    There shouldn't be any such pact, they will misuse that pact and wont stop terrorist training/attacks. India is a very kind country (sometimes able to act as an emotional fool), they will try to beg Aid even from India to make their Forces strong against us, and i am sure Indian govt. will provide them aid for the sake of friendship and prosperous relations, it's a new way to get monetary help and pardon for their inhuman activities which they call Jihad. We can't trust non-secular Pakistan.
     
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    This treaty is just a piece of crap to make the so called civilized western world to make feel happy that they did something for world peace.
     

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