Pakistan developing ICBM??

[Daredevil]

Indeed shaheen 1 is based on Chinese missile but please compare the m18 WITH shaheen 2

M-18 (sketchy image from Chinese Parade)

Shaheen -2

Even painting seems unchanged.

 

[Bheeshma]

Pakistan doesn't have the capability to make even basic SRBM. They will have to buy it from china but 4000 km+ means china is the target. Pakistan's industrial capabilities are best defined by Sitara.

 

[farhan_9909]

M-18 (sketchy image from Chinese Parade)

Shaheen -2

Even painting seems unchanged.

wtf
m18 didNt entered service and the Program was terminated

the range of m18 was 1000km

yes the solid propellant help was taken
MissileThreat :: M-18

seems like you follow fanboys stuff from Indian forums too much

 

[farhan_9909]

anyway none of our missile or space Program is funded by aid money

 

[chase]

Indeed but with British money
that was given by them as an aid to poor people while you guys invested that in your space Program

British media says so

British media also says that pakistan is run by taliban and most pakistanis are idiots.
British media also says that pakistan is going to sell its nuclear bomb to taliban!
British media also says that pakistan is going to disintegrate !

Sounds foolish...no? If 'a' sensationlist british newspaper and some mp's say so does that mean its true.India already doesn't accept aid from UK. Uk funds the NGO's and not the govt because india is not a beggar country like pakistan which needs continuous aid from US and bailouts from world bank.

We already have asked them to stop their so called aid. India may very well start sending aids to UK in some years.

 

[Daredevil]

wtf
m18 didNt entered service and the Program was terminated

the range of m18 was 1000km

yes the solid propellant help was taken
MissileThreat :: M-18

seems like you follow fanboys stuff from Indian forums too much

That image was from a tv program pre 1993. M-18 place is took by other missiles.

 

[sayareakd]

Pakistan will do it, Last time they eat grass for nukes, for ICBM i am sure they will eat cocaine and for SLBM they might be high on other drugs
They will also try for BMD and ASAT dont know what they will eat them

Best of luck :thumb: akistan:

 

[farhan_9909]

That image was from a tv program pre 1993. M-18 place is took by other missiles.

any link to support this

Oh Sorry for you that fanboy site words are equal to words of gospel

 

[agentperry]

first make a fire extinguisher- factory fire in karachi killed 296.

 

[Daredevil]

Some more picture on the Chinese imported green painted Pakistani missiles

And this is the Chinese developed L-SpaB-140B solid fuel motor used in Shaheen-2

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What purpose would a Pakistani ICBM serve?? Pakistan always claimed their missile and
nuclear program is India specific? Pakistan also has no first use policy? Wouldn't the combination
of these two things make Pakistan vulnerable to an attack similar to what is planned for Iran?

 

[Yusuf]

The strategic competition with India has spurred Pakistani efforts to acquire ballistic missiles, which it claims to have done without assistance. Pakistan's missile industry includes a large solid rocket motor production complex and a ballistic missile test facility. Chinese and more recently North Korea assistance has sustained these efforts. Pakistan's missile effort evidently consists of three components:
The short range Hatf-1 and Hatf-2, which are apparently of Pakistani design and construction, were developed by the Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO). These missiles seem to have proven a disappointment, due probably in no small measure to their modest range, and do not appear to have entered operational service.
The Shaheen series of solid-propellant missiles are imports from China by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC), which is also responsible for Pakistan's plutonium bomb program. The Chinese M-11 missile was obtained from China in the early 1990s, and tested with considerable publicity in mid-1999. The longer range Shaheen-I and Shaheen-II appear to correspond to the Chinese M-9 and DF-15, respectively, though there is presently no solid evidence that Pakistan has obtained either missile.
More recently, the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories, which is also responsible for Pakistan's uranium bomb program, has imported and tested the North Korean Nodong missile under the name Ghauri. Imports of the longer range Taepodong missiles may also be under consideration.
Designation Foreign
derivation Range (km) Payload (kg) First Launch Operational Inventory Comments
Hatf-1 60-100 500 Jan 1989 testing some?
Hatf-2 Shadoz 280 500 Jan 1989 cancelled none
Shaheen Hatf-3 ? PRC M-11 300 500 15 April 1999 1995? ~34-80?
Shaheen-I Hatf-4 ? PRC M-9 800 500
Shaheen-II Hatf-6 PRC M-18 2,000 09 March 2004 some
Ghauri Hatf-5 DPRK ND-1 1,350-1,500 700 kg 06 April 1998 1998? some Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Iran (Shehab-3).
Ghauri-III Abdali DPRK TD-1 ?? 2,500
Tipu DPRK TD-2 ?? 4,000
Ghaznavi ?,000

Pakistan Missile Special Weapons Delivery Systems

 

[Yusuf]

To deliver its nuclear warheads, Pakistan possesses a host of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles, and is currently developing intermediate-range models.- The program exists under the aegis of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and the Khan Research Laboratories.- The overriding theme in Pakistan's ballistic missile development is foreign assistance, most notably from China and North Korea.- Over the years, China has provided considerable technology and expertise to its ally.- Many of Pakistan's missile designs and technology have come from Chinese plans, or have been reverse-engineered from Chinese M-11 missiles sold to Pakistan.[1] -China has also helped Pakistan build a turnkey ballistic missile production facility at Tarwanah.- In addition, North Korea has sold Pakistan a large amount of missile technology, including a small number of No-dong missiles, as was recently acknowledged by former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.[2]
Short-Range Ballistic Missiles
Pakistan's short-range arsenal includes the Haft-1, Haft-2, Haft-2A, Haft-3, and Haft-4 missiles.- The road-mobile, solid propellant Haft-1 is battlefield short-range ballistic missile (BSRBM).- A tactical system with a range of approximately 70 km, it is essentially an unguided artillery rocket used for bombardment.- It is capable of carrying a 500 kg conventional warhead across a battlefield or at a general target area.- If properly aimed, it can hit within several kilometers of the target area.[3]- The Haft-2 (Abdali) is a two-stage version of the Haft-1.- Its longer range of 180 km allows it to be used against military targets such as bases or airfields, although its relatively small warhead makes it impractical for deployment against civilian population centers.[4]
The Hatf-2A system represents a substantial divergence away from the Haft-2. -It is most likely an imported Chinese M-11 (CSS-7).- It has a range of 300 km and can carry a wide range of warheads including nuclear weapons.- At present, Haft-2A missiles are deployed throughout the Pakistani-Indian border and are generally hidden in caves or other terrain features that obscure the missile and its mobile launching system from detection.[5]- Like the Haft-2A, the Haft-3 (Ghaznavi) is derived from the Chinese M-11.- It has a range of 290 km and carries a nuclear or conventional payload.- Most effective against large, fixed targets, the Haft-3 easily outdistances most battlefield weapons and is ideal for striking bases, airfields, and cities.[6]
Like its predecessors, the Haft-4 (Shaheen-1) also appears to have been based on Chinese design.- It has a range of 750-800 km and is designed to destroy strategic assets with a nuclear or conventional warhead. Although its accuracy is insufficient to destroy a military target, the Haft-4 is easily capable of striking key facilities, such as an airports, oil refineries, shipyards, ports, or factories. -If equipped with submunitions, it seems likely that it could be deployed against a military column, though the limited accuracy makes this less practical. The range on the Hatf-4 allows it to reach major targets within India and the mobile launch vehicle gives it a high degree of mobility and flexibility.[7]
Medium-Range Ballistic Missiles
Pakistan's medium-range arsenal includes the Haft-5 and Haft-6 missiles.- The Haft-5 (Ghauri-1) is believed to be based upon technology derived from the North Korean No-dong 1 and 2, although this is denied by North Korea. -It also appears that the Hatf-5 might have been developed in conjunction with Iran, as the Iranian Shahab-3 missile appears extremely similar to the Hatf-5 both in appearance and capabilities. It is reliably reported that all three countries cooperated extensively since 1993.- The Haft-5 has a range of between 1,300 and 1,800 km and carries a 760 kg payload.- Its main drawback is its limited accuracy, which means that the only truly effective use for the Hatf-5 would be striking civilian areas, most likely with a low yield nuclear weapon.- A variant, the Haft-5A (Ghauri-2), is a longer ranged version of the Hatf-5, developed by increasing the length of the motor assembly and using improved propellants.[8]
The Haft-6 (Shaheen-2) is a strategic missile with a reported range of 2,000 km.- It is allegedly equipped with multiple nuclear warheads.- Unlike the Haft-5, the Haft-5 is capable of striking strategic targets such as airports, manufacturing complexes, military bases, and civilian facilities (power plants, water purification centers, etc.) with a reasonable chance of damaging or destroying the target. -Due to the advancing nuclear and missile programs in India, the Hatf-6 will probably be targeted at Indian population centers to deter against an Indian nuclear strike. Equipped with a nuclear warhead, it would be capable of causing widespread damage. The mobility provided from its mobile launch vehicle maximizes the missile's survivability in the event of a war and prevents a successful pre-emptive strike.[9]
Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missiles
In addition to its short- and medium-range missiles, Pakistan is currently at work on an intermediate-range ballistic missile, the Ghauri-3.- Pakistan's longest range program, the nuclear-capable Ghauri-3 is believed to have a range of 3,500 km, which would allow it to strike deep within India against civilian and military targets.- Based on similarities between the Ghauri and the North Korean No-dong missile, it is believed that the Ghauri-III represents a Pakistani derivative of the two-stage North Korean Taepo-dong 1 missile, which uses the No-dong as a first stage.[10]- Sources indicate that Pakistan conducted a successful motor test in September 1999.- In June 2004, Pakistan indicated that it would test the Ghauri-3, but according to news reports it instead launched two Haft-5 missiles.
MissileThreat :: The Threat From Pakistan

 

[Yusuf]

Pakistan has an extensive nuclear-capable ballistic missile program, as the April 1998 test-firing of the Ghauri missile illustrates. The program is almost entirely imported, despite official Pakistani claims to the contrary. Most recently, Pakistan has received assistance from the People's Republic of China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). Pakistan's limited scientific and industrial base has forced it to rely on continuous outside help. Pakistan possesses both the 300 km M-11 (Hatf III) missile acquired from China and the 1000 km Nodong (Ghauri) missile bought from North Korea. Pakistan has also imported plants to manufacture these missiles.

Pakistan's missile program is important for two reasons. First, Pakistan is a nuclear weapon state. Missiles give Pakistan the means to deliver its nuclear warheads farther and with more certainty than it could with aircraft. Second, the May nuclear weapons tests of both Pakistan and India illustrate the high tensions and spiraling arms race in South Asia. Ballistic missiles, which shorten warning times, increase the chances of accidental or preemptive nuclear conflict.

Ghauri

The most recent development in Pakistan's ballistic missile program was the flight testing of the Ghauri (Hatf-V) missile in April 1998. The Ghauri is liquid-fueled and is Pakistan's imported version of the North Korean Nodong, itself a fancy Scud. Official Pakistani statements claim the missile has a maximum range of 1500 km carrying a 700 kg payload, but analysis by the U.S. Department of Defense of the Nodong puts the range closer to 1000 km. According to Dr. A. Q. Khan, who is credited with being the father of Pakistan's nuclear and ballistic missile programs, the Ghauri flew 1100 km in its flight-test in April, supporting the Pentagon's analysis. Press reports put the tested range as being between 700 km and 1200 km.

The Ghauri is reported to have a relatively large diameter - 1.25 m. Pakistan is capable of producing nuclear warheads approximately the size of a soccer ball and weighing 400 kg, a size which would easily fit on a 1.25 m missile. Dr. Khan claims the Ghauri is now "fully operational." And when asked if Pakistan is now capable of deploying nuclear weapons, he replied, "No doubt about it, one should not be under any illusions." He said it could be done within "not months, not weeks, but within days."

North Korea has been an important missile partner for Pakistan. North Korea admitted publicly in June 1998 that it is developing and exporting ballistic missiles to make money, though it did not specify to whom. The Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States , led by the Honorable Donald Rumsfeld (Rumsfeld Commission), believes that in addition to supplying the Nodong, North Korea supplied production facilities for the missile. This enables Pakistan to indigenously produce a fleet of missiles and reduce its dependence on imports.

Intelligence and satellite images reportedly have revealed the delivery of warhead canisters from North Korea to Pakistan's Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) in June 1998 and have disclosed increased activity at KRL's missile facility, suggesting that production of the Ghauri may be in full swing. And U.S. intelligence has reportedly concluded that Pakistan received a shipment of maraging steel from Russia, useful for missile production, via the North Korean Changgwang Sinyong Corporation (aka North Korea Mining Development Trading Corporation). The United States Department of State imposed sanctions against both Changgwang Sinyong Corp. and KRL for this relationship.

In return for its help as a supplier, North Korea is able to receive performance data from Nodong tests by its customers. North Korea itself has only tested the Nodong once, to a 500 km range. But most important, Pyongyang receives hard currency, meaning that its exports will continue to fuel rogue states' missile programs.

M-11

The Rumsfeld Commission confirmed that complete M-11 missiles were sent to Pakistan from China. Pakistan has reportedly received more than 30 M-11s, which have been observed in boxes at Pakistan's Sargodha Air Force Base west of Lahore. Intelligence officials believe Chinese M11s have probably been in Pakistan since November 1992, when China was "reconsidering" its stance on missile exports after the sale of U.S. F-16 aircraft to Taiwan. Since then, Pakistan has been constructing maintenance facilities, launchers and storage sheds for the missiles, all with Chinese help. China and Pakistan deny these reports.

Pakistan calls the M-11 the Hatf-III. The missile has a range of more than 300 km and a payload of 500 kg. It is a two-stage, solid-propelled missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The missile was reportedly test-fired in July 1997.

China has also been helping Pakistan construct its own facility to produce the M-11. China has provided blueprints and equipment to help build an M-11 factory near Rawalpindi. U.S. intelligence has reportedly been aware of the site since 1995, when construction is said to have begun. The Rumsfeld Commission states that the Pakistani version of the M-11 will be called the Tarmuk. U.S. officials reportedly expect a test-firing of the Tarmuk in the near future.

Other missile developments

According to Samar Mobarik Mand, a scientist at Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC), Pakistan also has a 435 mile nuclear-capable missile ready for a test-launch, the Shaheen-I. Mr. Mand also claims that Pakistan is developing the Shaheen-II, a nuclear-capable missile that will have a range of 1250 miles. U.S. officials, however, say they have no knowledge of any such missile development.

In the future, an even longer-ranged missile is likely, according to the Rumsfeld Commission. The Commission estimates that Pakistan's current ballistic missile infrastructure "will support development of a missile of 2,500-km range," which would put all of India within range.

Nuclear-Capable Missiles in Pakistan
Hatf-1

Est. Range: 80 km
Est. Payload: 500 kg
Est. Launch Weight: 1500 kg
Propulsion: Single-stage, Solid propellant
Comments: Mobile platform. Status: flight-tested.
Pakistan's Nuclear Capable Missiles

 

[Yusuf]

The above three posts of mine and links are well Indian fanboy sites as it tells the truth.

There is enough evidence to show what kind of proliferation has gone on. But off course the standard Pakistsni mantra has be deny everything.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

 

[Tshering22]

a better idea would be 1500-3000km slbm with a SSBN

as we are aware of it that there are many mullah minded people involved in our nuclear Program whom are anti west or Israel

so dont be surprised if work on icbm(with China help) is ON
as the nuclear Program spending is in excess of 2billions usd already

But has your military even thought why it would develop ICBM?

Come on, are you seriously telling me that PA will use them against USA/Europe/Russia?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Why would China help Pakistan develop an ICBM?? The relations
is more of a master slave relation why would China want to change it??

 

[LETHALFORCE]

A serious question how does Pakistan claim TERCOM and DSMAC technology in Babur if Pakistan
does not have a GPS satellite?

 

[Blackwater]

anyway none of our missile or space Program is funded by aid money

how can you be so certain?? ohh i got it now .your missile programme and space programme is not funded by aid money but gifted as a whole by papa china and chachu kim jong