Pakistan cruise missiles pose key challenge to India

[DivineHeretic]

My allegory of "Indus Valley Civilization" was to suggest an overwhelming Indian nuke retaliation.

I know. I was alluding to the fact that if India were to intercept a nuke carrying CM in their Airspace, they would effectively have nuked themselves. ( That is assuming their nuke exploded on hitting the ground). Even if it didn't explode, there would be release of radioactive materials....la dirty bomb. Either way, bad for them.

Read up the 1966 Palomares B-52 crash.

 

[sayareakd]

Cant say if AAD( basically a modified BM, that too a fairly heavy missile) can outmanuevre a CM, especially when it is travelling @ 5-7 times the speed of sound. The S-300 most certainly can, but neither are economic enough to be used on a CM.

Divine, CM gives very short notice at the last stage, therefore you will hit what ever you got, near the target.

 

[Vishwarupa]

IAF Beefs up Network-Centric Operations, Installs New Radars along Gujarat

Airfroce has its own network centric operations, it has got data from all the civilian radars in real time, plus its own radar are fused into one giving clear real time picture.

What about installing in eastern theater near indo china border? Last time i heard that India do have much surveillance in INDO - china border areas.

 

[DivineHeretic]

What about installing in eastern theater near indo china border? Last time i heard that India do have much surveillance in INDO - china border areas.

North East ADC is being upgraded both in detection range and shoot down capability, with regiment after regiment of medium range Akash SAM batteries being inducted, as well as the anticipated LR-SAM and finally the installation of several surveillance radars, including light weight portable radars fixed on top of mountains

In comparison, until recently, the NE theatre did not even have a proper radar network, let alone medium range SAMs.

But the problem with the NE is that due to the presence of mountain ranges, the radar coverage of a single ground based radar is very limited. A radar that can sweep 150-180 km in plains will struggle to cover even 50 km in AP, primarily due ro the fact that the higher mountains block the radar signals.
This necessitates a much higher number and density of radar stations than required in the plains, something which is very expensive.

The alternate option is to use airborne Radars, as in AWACS or even the BARS onboard the MKI. But even here, the geography makes it hard to cover every sector of the IB, with many blind spots even after overlapping radar coverage of both ground and Airborne radar. Then you also have the problem of the nature of rocks ( many have metals/ metallic minerals) which interfere with radar signals, not to mention that SAR radar are effected most heavily.

 

[farhan_9909]

Just to add to that.

The Cruise missiles, especially the subsonic ones depend on avoiding detection to successfully target a site. Also the range of a CM is very much dependent on altitude.
For all the talk of terrain hugging characteristics, a CM only goes into this mode when near the target to achieve max range. From launch to mid course they fly at high altitude.

So long as they use they target the northern sites, that too launching from their northern zones i.e. In J&K, they have a fairly good possibility of hitting the target, with mountain ranges creating radar blind spots.
If they attempt to launch missiles from the lower reaches, targetting Delhi/Jaipur/Ambala/Mumbai etc, the LRTR and the AWACS network would pick up the missile right after launch, even if they launch it from Balochistan. Hell the LRTR/Swodrfish would pick up a Iranian missile test inside Iran. As such the IA/IAF ADC would get as much as 30-45 mins window to intercept the CM, and with the LR-SAM or even the BVR AAM will be able to take it down inside Pak airspace.

Talk about your nukes falling in your own house. This is the reason why CMs are not thought of as a reliable Nuclear delivery system. But then we are talking about Pak, who are the only ones to revive the battlefield nuke concept.

you made it very easy

please name me how many cruise missile and how many ballistic missiles are intercepted so far

 

[DivineHeretic]

you made it very easy

please name me how many cruise missile and how many ballistic missiles are intercepted so far

You have google, or is it banned in Pak? If not, search yourself.

And btw, the standard testing of SAM/AAM worldover is that of hitting a Pilotless target vehicle or a towed target carried by the drone. These targets are more similar to a CM than to a fighter jet, both in size, flight path, speed and even in lack of situational awareness. This is the reason why every SAM/AAM is declared as being anti-CM capable, even if no such tests are carried out.

The Akash has been tested atleast 9 times against these targets before induction.
This is the reason why US went to the AGM-129 stealth CM project, the X-51 waverider or India is now pursuing the HSDTV and Brahmos-2 projects. In the modern saturated environment, a subsonic CM has a very low survivability after detection.

You can see two small missiles under the wings of Lakshya. One of them is fired from Lakshya and engaged by Akash. Thats why Akash has good anti-cruise missile capability and ability to destroy stealthy small targets.

Happy now.

 

[sayareakd]

nothing is their in these missile which we cant track from their launch to the final point through our AWACs and Aerostat radars.



they are not that stealthy as Pakistanis think they are

Best defence for them are the Mig 21 bison.on air patrol in our border, track them and destroy them using machine gun fire, or VRM or BVR as the case may be.

 

[farhan_9909]

You have google, or is it banned in Pak? If not, search yourself.

And btw, the standard testing of SAM/AAM worldover is that of hitting a Pilotless target vehicle or a towed target carried by the drone. These targets are more similar to a CM than to a fighter jet, both in size, flight path, speed and even in lack of situational awareness. This is the reason why every SAM/AAM is declared as being anti-CM capable, even if no such tests are carried out.

The Akash has been tested atleast 9 times against these targets before induction.
This is the reason why US went to the AGM-129 stealth CM project, the X-51 waverider or India is now pursuing the HSDTV and Brahmos-2 projects. In the modern saturated environment, a subsonic CM has a very low survivability after detection.

You can see two small missiles under the wings of Lakshya. One of them is fired from Lakshya and engaged by Akash. Thats why Akash has good anti-cruise missile capability and ability to destroy stealthy small targets.

Happy now.

the lakshya even look worst than the thunder drone by integrated dynamic seem more like a toy drone

and you are comparing it with the speed of babur?
babur speed is close to 1mach.

by the time you guys detect babur..it would have already hit the target

 

[sayareakd]

the lakshya even look worst than the thunder drone by integrated dynamic seem more like a toy drone

and you are comparing it with the speed of babur?
babur speed is close to 1mach.

Speed 880 km/h or 550 mph (Mach 0.8)
Babur (cruise missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maximum speed: Mach 0.7
DRDO Lakshya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

by the time you guys detect babur..it would have already hit the target

that is Brahmos missile line, you have been reading a lot about Brahmos missile speed that is why it you are dreaming about it

Indian army practice a lot with Lakshya PTA.