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Pakistan: China wont let India gain entry inton NSG
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Good move. Needs to happen before Obama goes though.
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This involves setting up a time-bound working group that will lay down the benchmarks for non-NPT countries to join the grouping. The argument is that such an arrangement would allow the matter to at least come up on the agenda in Seoul. And from an Indian standpoint give it a definite timeframe. While variants of this model are being informally discussed, India is keen to seal the membership before the Obama presidency ends.
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Setting up a timeframe doesn't sound like an alternate plan but more like a natural process to me.
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Door open for discussions on India's NSG bid: China
BEIJING: China, which has been opposing India's NSG membership bid, today for the first time said the "door is open" for discussions on the issue but took a swipe at the US for backing India, saying it was one of those who made the rule against the entry of non-NPT countries into NSG.
Chinese Foreign Ministry, however, asked the 48-member NSG to "stay focussed" on whether the criteria should be changed on entry of non-NPT countries into the elite group.
"I have not seen the US statement supporting India. But US is one of those who made the rule that non-NPT countries should not join the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG)," Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying told a media briefing.
"The relevant rule was made on the principle that NPT was the cornerstone of the NSG," she said.
Hua made the remarks in response to a question on US asking members of the nuclear trading club to support India's application.
Later talking to Indian media, Hua said while discussions are going on among the NSG members, the admission of new members is not listed in the current plenary meeting in Seoul.
"The door is open. The room is there. We never said we are against who (a country). We did not target any country, India or Pakistan," Hua said.
China for its part cares about non-proliferation treaty (NPT) as criteria for admission of the new members into the NSG, she said.
"This is the core of the international non-proliferation. If the non-proliferation regime is changed how can we explain the Iranian nuclear treaty," Hua argued.
"We just had a treaty with Iran. We have North Korean issues there...So this concerns the core issue whether NPT and non proliferation system could be impacted by this," she said.
Reiterating what she said yesterday, Hua stated that, "According to my understanding, it (entry of new members) is not on the agenda of the NSG meeting in Seoul."
"The door is open for the admission of the non-NPT members. It is never closed. It is open. But the members of the NSG should stay focussed on whether the criteria should be changed and whether non-NPT members should be admitted into the NSG," she said.
On US' backing for India's NSG bid, Hua said, "We care about rules. US just sets the rules. This is not an issue between China and India but (about) the pillar for non-proliferation system," she said.
Amid China's opposition, the US has given a fresh push to India's NSG membership bid by asking members of the elite club to support India's entry into the grouping during the ongoing plenary meeting in Seoul.
"We believe, and this has been US policy for some time, that India is ready for membership and the United States calls on participating governments to support India's application at the plenary session of Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG)," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
"At the same time, participating governments will need to reach a consensus decision in order to admit any applicant into the group and the United States will certainly be advocating for India's membership," Earnest said as the 5-day annual plenary session of the 48-member club began in the South Korean capital yesterday.
While majority of the elite group members backed India's membership, it is understood that apart from China, countries like Turkey, South Africa, Ireland and New Zealand were not in favour of India's entry into the NSG.
China maintains opposition to India's entry, arguing that it has not signed Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). However, it has been batting for its close ally Pakistan's entry if NSG extends any exemption for India.
Pakistan applied for NSG membership, a week after India submitted its membership application.
India has asserted that being a signatory to the NPT was not essential for joining the NSG as there has been a precedent in this regard, citing the case of France.
India is seeking membership of NSG to enable it to trade in and export nuclear technology.
The access to the NSG, which regulates the global trade of nuclear technology, is expected to open up the international market for energy-starved India, which has an ambitious energy generation programme. India is looking at 63,000 MW energy requirement through the nuclear programme by 2030.
The NSG looks after critical issues relating to nuclear sector and its members are allowed to trade in and export nuclear technology. Membership of the grouping will help India significantly expand its atomic energy sector.
India has been reaching out to NSG member countries seeking support for its entry. The NSG works under the principle of consensus and even one country's vote against India will scuttle its bid.
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BEIJING: China, which has been opposing India's NSG membership bid, today for the first time said the "door is open" for discussions on the issue but took a swipe at the US for backing India, saying it was one of those who made the rule against the entry of non-NPT countries into NSG.
Chinese Foreign Ministry, however, asked the 48-member NSG to "stay focussed" on whether the criteria should be changed on entry of non-NPT countries into the elite group.
"I have not seen the US statement supporting India. But US is one of those who made the rule that non-NPT countries should not join the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG)," Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying told a media briefing.
"The relevant rule was made on the principle that NPT was the cornerstone of the NSG," she said.
Hua made the remarks in response to a question on US asking members of the nuclear trading club to support India's application.
Later talking to Indian media, Hua said while discussions are going on among the NSG members, the admission of new members is not listed in the current plenary meeting in Seoul.
"The door is open. The room is there. We never said we are against who (a country). We did not target any country, India or Pakistan," Hua said.
China for its part cares about non-proliferation treaty (NPT) as criteria for admission of the new members into the NSG, she said.
"This is the core of the international non-proliferation. If the non-proliferation regime is changed how can we explain the Iranian nuclear treaty," Hua argued.
"We just had a treaty with Iran. We have North Korean issues there...So this concerns the core issue whether NPT and non proliferation system could be impacted by this," she said.
Reiterating what she said yesterday, Hua stated that, "According to my understanding, it (entry of new members) is not on the agenda of the NSG meeting in Seoul."
"The door is open for the admission of the non-NPT members. It is never closed. It is open. But the members of the NSG should stay focussed on whether the criteria should be changed and whether non-NPT members should be admitted into the NSG," she said.
On US' backing for India's NSG bid, Hua said, "We care about rules. US just sets the rules. This is not an issue between China and India but (about) the pillar for non-proliferation system," she said.
Amid China's opposition, the US has given a fresh push to India's NSG membership bid by asking members of the elite club to support India's entry into the grouping during the ongoing plenary meeting in Seoul.
"We believe, and this has been US policy for some time, that India is ready for membership and the United States calls on participating governments to support India's application at the plenary session of Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG)," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
"At the same time, participating governments will need to reach a consensus decision in order to admit any applicant into the group and the United States will certainly be advocating for India's membership," Earnest said as the 5-day annual plenary session of the 48-member club began in the South Korean capital yesterday.
While majority of the elite group members backed India's membership, it is understood that apart from China, countries like Turkey, South Africa, Ireland and New Zealand were not in favour of India's entry into the NSG.
China maintains opposition to India's entry, arguing that it has not signed Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). However, it has been batting for its close ally Pakistan's entry if NSG extends any exemption for India.
Pakistan applied for NSG membership, a week after India submitted its membership application.
India has asserted that being a signatory to the NPT was not essential for joining the NSG as there has been a precedent in this regard, citing the case of France.
India is seeking membership of NSG to enable it to trade in and export nuclear technology.
The access to the NSG, which regulates the global trade of nuclear technology, is expected to open up the international market for energy-starved India, which has an ambitious energy generation programme. India is looking at 63,000 MW energy requirement through the nuclear programme by 2030.
The NSG looks after critical issues relating to nuclear sector and its members are allowed to trade in and export nuclear technology. Membership of the grouping will help India significantly expand its atomic energy sector.
India has been reaching out to NSG member countries seeking support for its entry. The NSG works under the principle of consensus and even one country's vote against India will scuttle its bid.
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"The door is open for the admission of the non-NPT members. It is never closed. It is open. But the members of the NSG should stay focussed on whether the criteria should be changed and whether non-NPT members should be admitted into the NSG," she said.
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The "talks" will be the same. Nothing's changed. They will still ask for the same and keep blocking.
Persistent procedural hurdles created by one country: India
BY: PTI | TASHKENT |Published On:June 24, 2016 4:32 Pm
With NSG rejecting its membership bid, an upset India today said one country persistently created procedural hurdles during the discussions on its application in the 48-nation grouping, in a clear reference to stiff Chinese opposition.
As per Daily Bhaskar report, 6 countries opposed India's membership. China was not the only spoil sport.
External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Vikas Swarup also asserted that India’s participation in the NSG would have further strengthened nuclear non-proliferation regime and made global nuclear commerce more secure.
NSG, at the end of its two-day plenary in Seoul, declared its ‘firm support’ for the ‘full, complete and effective’ implementation of the NPT as the cornerstone of the international non-proliferation regime, ruling out any exception to India.
However, India maintained that there was no contradiction between the NPT and India’s closer engagement with with the NSG.
“We understand that despite procedural hurdles persistently raised by one country, a three-hour-long discussion took place last night on the issue of future participation in the NSG,” Swarup said here.
“The NSG plenary in Seoul earlier in the day decided against granting India membership of the grouping immediately and said it will continue to have discussions on participation of countries which have not signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
“An overwhelming number of those who took the floor supported India’s membership and appraised India’s application positively. We thank each and every one of them. It is also our understanding that the broad sentiment was to take this matter forward,” he said.
Swarup is part of Prime MinisterNarendra Modi’s delegation which is here to attend the summit of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.
“It has been suggested that India’s participation in the NSG requires it to join the NPT. Our stand on the NPT is well known. But let me underline that in September 2008, the NSG itself addressed this issue,” Swarup said.
“Paragraph 1 (a) of the September 2008 decision states that the decision on India contributes to the ‘widest possible implementation of the provisions and objectives of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons’.
“There is thus no contradiction between the NPT and India’s closer engagement with with the NSG,” he said.
He said it was India’s understanding is that most countries want an early decision and that a few countries raised issues regarding the process for India’s participation in the NSG.
Tashkent : Prime Minister Narendra Modi shakes hands with Chinese President Xi Jinping during a meeting in Tashkent on Thursday on the sidelines of SCO Summit. (PTI Photo )
As the NSG plenary was holding deliberations, Prime Minister Modi on Thursday met Chinese President President Xi Jinping here on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation Meeting and urged him to support India’s NSG bid. The NSG works under the principle of consensus and even one country’s vote can scuttle any country’s bid.
“It is self-evident that process issues would not arise if these countries were actually opposed to our participation. This is corroborated by our own bilateral engagement with each of these countries.
“India believes that an early decision on its application remains in larger global interest. India’s participation in the NSG will further strengthen nuclear non-proliferation and make global nuclear commerce more secure. It would advance energy security and make a difference to combating climate change. We are confident that the NSG will recognise these benefits as it deliberates further on this issue,” Swarup said in a statement.
BY: PTI | TASHKENT |Published On:June 24, 2016 4:32 Pm
With NSG rejecting its membership bid, an upset India today said one country persistently created procedural hurdles during the discussions on its application in the 48-nation grouping, in a clear reference to stiff Chinese opposition.
As per Daily Bhaskar report, 6 countries opposed India's membership. China was not the only spoil sport.
External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Vikas Swarup also asserted that India’s participation in the NSG would have further strengthened nuclear non-proliferation regime and made global nuclear commerce more secure.
NSG, at the end of its two-day plenary in Seoul, declared its ‘firm support’ for the ‘full, complete and effective’ implementation of the NPT as the cornerstone of the international non-proliferation regime, ruling out any exception to India.
However, India maintained that there was no contradiction between the NPT and India’s closer engagement with with the NSG.
“We understand that despite procedural hurdles persistently raised by one country, a three-hour-long discussion took place last night on the issue of future participation in the NSG,” Swarup said here.
“The NSG plenary in Seoul earlier in the day decided against granting India membership of the grouping immediately and said it will continue to have discussions on participation of countries which have not signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
“An overwhelming number of those who took the floor supported India’s membership and appraised India’s application positively. We thank each and every one of them. It is also our understanding that the broad sentiment was to take this matter forward,” he said.
Swarup is part of Prime MinisterNarendra Modi’s delegation which is here to attend the summit of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.
“It has been suggested that India’s participation in the NSG requires it to join the NPT. Our stand on the NPT is well known. But let me underline that in September 2008, the NSG itself addressed this issue,” Swarup said.
“Paragraph 1 (a) of the September 2008 decision states that the decision on India contributes to the ‘widest possible implementation of the provisions and objectives of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons’.
“There is thus no contradiction between the NPT and India’s closer engagement with with the NSG,” he said.
He said it was India’s understanding is that most countries want an early decision and that a few countries raised issues regarding the process for India’s participation in the NSG.
Tashkent : Prime Minister Narendra Modi shakes hands with Chinese President Xi Jinping during a meeting in Tashkent on Thursday on the sidelines of SCO Summit. (PTI Photo )
As the NSG plenary was holding deliberations, Prime Minister Modi on Thursday met Chinese President President Xi Jinping here on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation Meeting and urged him to support India’s NSG bid. The NSG works under the principle of consensus and even one country’s vote can scuttle any country’s bid.
“It is self-evident that process issues would not arise if these countries were actually opposed to our participation. This is corroborated by our own bilateral engagement with each of these countries.
“India believes that an early decision on its application remains in larger global interest. India’s participation in the NSG will further strengthen nuclear non-proliferation and make global nuclear commerce more secure. It would advance energy security and make a difference to combating climate change. We are confident that the NSG will recognise these benefits as it deliberates further on this issue,” Swarup said in a statement.
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India holds 25% of world's thorium. They may come up with what ever plan. But world is not a fool. The Majority in NSG is with India not even six countries are blocking India's position. They want more discussions.
We are soon going to enter new world order. And India has show they are the key players as majority is with India.
Secondly this is either US plan that forcing India first to sign NPT otherwise countries like NZ, Turkey Switzerland wouldn't make any blunder of blocking India's entry.
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meanwhile Jaitely is in Beijing.. doing what?
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He must be removed as Finance minister on the nation ASAP.
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When India was backing itself, minions were looking at master to create obstacles.
After reading many forums; generally Indians were realistic about China blocking Indian entry to NSG.
Posting my previous post Dated 14/05/16 http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/india-set-to-join-nsg-and-mtcr.63843/page-6#post-1166038
Ignoring Yakub Memon's brother in Laws (Commies), AAPtards and Congi thugs who add no value to any discussion let alone helping decision making, people were appreciating the fact India is investing good diplomatic equity to pursue something that should have been done by our so called highly educated visionary leaders mainly from Congress-I ages ago.
Furthermore If ordinary bloggers like me were guarded if not negative about this whole drill; I would assume, so was present dispensation in India.
I see this setback, that we were all expecting, opening many opportunities for us to go back to drawing tables or chess board and flag few things as invariables, which were too foggy to even identify before, especially in regards to China.
China has shown its cards, and not only it has Geo-political indicators but predictable military and strategic signals in case of any conflict with Pakistan.
Though Modi's detractors who are blinded by hatred wont see how Modi has already shown that there is no love lost after China supported for SCO membership and he has thanked them, the game of conveniences and inconveniences is still on.
But like I said now we have got invariables of Geo-political, strategic and military value vis a vis Sino-Pak alliance, it would be now more easier for us to jettisoned baggage of past; like Modi said during his Capitol Hill address.
I must warn all the nationalist to be little proactive on social media, not to let domestic scum bags dictate the narrative who will try to make GoI defensive because of this so called set back.
I will join further discussions when DFIites will be deliberating on India's long term and short term moves like hitting Pakistan's trade volume, weaning off trade deficit with China, making POK hot, strengthening alliance with USA, making it dearer for China to manage its disputes with neighbors, strengthening alliance with USA and all other opinions members will offer.
After reading many forums; generally Indians were realistic about China blocking Indian entry to NSG.
Posting my previous post Dated 14/05/16 http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/india-set-to-join-nsg-and-mtcr.63843/page-6#post-1166038
Ignoring Yakub Memon's brother in Laws (Commies), AAPtards and Congi thugs who add no value to any discussion let alone helping decision making, people were appreciating the fact India is investing good diplomatic equity to pursue something that should have been done by our so called highly educated visionary leaders mainly from Congress-I ages ago.
Furthermore If ordinary bloggers like me were guarded if not negative about this whole drill; I would assume, so was present dispensation in India.
I see this setback, that we were all expecting, opening many opportunities for us to go back to drawing tables or chess board and flag few things as invariables, which were too foggy to even identify before, especially in regards to China.
China has shown its cards, and not only it has Geo-political indicators but predictable military and strategic signals in case of any conflict with Pakistan.
Though Modi's detractors who are blinded by hatred wont see how Modi has already shown that there is no love lost after China supported for SCO membership and he has thanked them, the game of conveniences and inconveniences is still on.
But like I said now we have got invariables of Geo-political, strategic and military value vis a vis Sino-Pak alliance, it would be now more easier for us to jettisoned baggage of past; like Modi said during his Capitol Hill address.
I must warn all the nationalist to be little proactive on social media, not to let domestic scum bags dictate the narrative who will try to make GoI defensive because of this so called set back.
I will join further discussions when DFIites will be deliberating on India's long term and short term moves like hitting Pakistan's trade volume, weaning off trade deficit with China, making POK hot, strengthening alliance with USA, making it dearer for China to manage its disputes with neighbors, strengthening alliance with USA and all other opinions members will offer.
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JaiITLY...should be kicked out ASAP and Subramaniyam swami should be appointed as finance minister
