Pakistan-born parents guilty of murdering ‘westernised’ British daughter

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  1. Blackwater

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    LONDON:A jury found the Pakistani parents of a teenage girl guilty of murder Friday, a conviction that came after the girl’s sister turned against her parents, telling a jury how her mother and father suffocated 17-year-old Shafilea with a plastic bag in a so-called honor killing.

    Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed face life in prison for killing their daughter in 2003.

    The Chester Crown Court found that Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed killed her daughter in 2003 and dumped her body.

    Shafilea’s sister Alesha told the jury that her parents pushed Shafilea and then she heard her mother say, ”just finish it here.”

    British authorities investigated hundreds of cases of forced marriages last year.

    Some of the cases have ended up in so-called honor killings where relatives believe girls have brought shame on their families, sometimes for refusing marriage, other times for becoming too westernized.

    Shafilea was only 10 when she began to rebel against her parents’ strict rules, according to prosecutor Andrew Edis.

    Schoolmates described how she would wear western clothes and change before her parents picked her up.

    Those same schoolmates also reported that Shafilea often went to school crying, describing how her mother would slap her and throw things at her.

    But it was the last year of her life that was to be the most traumatic, the court heard. Shafilea began seeing boys, which prompted her parents to keep her at home more.

    Despite multiple reports to social services, Shafilea’s file was closed in 2002.

    Between November 2002 and January 2003, Shafilea told friends and teachers there had been an increase of assaults.

    In February 2003, she ran away with her boyfriend Mushtaq Bagas and told council officers she needed emergency accommodation as her parents were trying to force her into an arranged marriage with her cousin.

    In the same month, her parents took her to Pakistan where she drank bleach in protest against the arranged marriage. When she returned to Britain in May 2003, she was admitted to a hospital because of damage done to her throat. She was eventually released, but rows over her clothing continued.

    Eventually, her parents beat her, stuffed a thin white plastic bag into her mouth and held their hands over her mouth and nose until she ”was gone,” her sister testified. The highest incidence of reported forced marriages is in Muslim communities.

    Britain is home to more than 1.8 million Muslims.

    Pakistan-born parents guilty of murdering ‘westernised’ British daughter | DAWN.COM
     
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    paki always remain jahil where ever they live.:taunt::taunt::taunt::taunt:
     
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    I have never understood this tendency among immigrants to move to a more advanced country because it is better than their home country and then disparage the culture of the country they choose to settle in. Mitt Romney's recent gaff aside there's no doubt that culture does play a role in shaping a society and the truth of the matter is that the Western world's more open culture has played a role in it's success, which is why many people from under developed nations move there (or at least the lucky ones).

    If this girl's parents thought that wearing Western clothes, having white friends and mingling with boys was so unbearable and deserving of capital punishment why didn't they just move back to Pakistan? Why does the father wear Western clothes drive a cab in the UK instead of Karachi or Peshawar?

    One of the main reasons people clamor to move to developed Western nations is because it has an effective rule of law. It is what ensures that other people don't constantly extort or harm you or take a dump on your doorstep; it facilitates the opportunity to earn a better income and avails a higher standard of living for the entire population. This man was reaping all the benefits of a society yet had absolutely no regard for it's founding principle... law. He beat and killed his daughter, threatened to kill his other children (and probably beat them too along with the wife) suffocated his 17 year old daughter to death and then dumped her corpse into a river, clearly he was under the impression that the law of the land did not apply to him.

    Seriously, this lesson needs to be drilled into every person who is dying to leave their craphole of a country.... if you think that murdering your children is acceptable in your religion/ culture, you are better off staying where you are. It might also be worthwhile to ponder over why your own society sucks so bad and if you and your "values" have anything to do with it.
     
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    And if you notice most of the violence is against females. They would've been proud if their son would've married a white british girl.
     
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    Pakistanis take all this very seriously.
     
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    Well either that or they would have just killed the girl he married. Apparently it's open season on anyone who has a vagina.

    This isn't strictly a Pakistani issue, the Indian community in the UK also has it's share of honor killings along with many others I'm sure.
     
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  10. A lot of it has to do with the ghetto culture prevalent among immigrant communities . .
    & its effects are so much more pronounced in the elder generations

    Inspite of having moved to say Britain most of the immigrants still live in all Pakistani communities , attend all Pakistani Mosques, all their friends are Pakistani and sometimes even their work colleagues are also all from their home communities

    So they kinda live in a protective cultural bubble where inspite of being in western country they are quite isolated from its culture . . and thus face a very strange kind of peer pressure .

    Often though this is not the case with children
    who inadvertently end up taking in more of the culture, of the country they were born in.

    Since countries like Britain/ America dont have all pakistani or all indian schools,
    it makes the mixing of kids from different races inevitable

    This creates a creates a fracture in the psyche of the immigrant family where the
    Parents face a different kind of peer pressure and children quite another.

    Leading to such incidents .

    Make no mistake . . .it wasn't their sense of Morality that drove these parents to protect their honour, by killing their daughter
    this was done due to their need to save face within their local Pakistani community, which I am sure would have done its best
    to make these Parents feel like scum .
     
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    No singh , pakis feel proud if their sons ,rape and use gori and non-muslim girls
     
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    campare to pakis its may be 1% or 2 %. Indian families are more open-minded than these pakis in UK and USA
     
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    why an Indian family would do such thing ?
     
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    Real aukat of pakis
     
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  17. I doubt that brother's attitude is a result of the Brainwashed attitude . . .
    IMO its the result of very different dynamic . . .

    You see while girls from immigrant communities find it easy to find willing men in cultures such a Britain from across all races . .

    So is not the case with Males . . . They often face strong stereotyping attitude (which they often deserve) ,
    they rarely are ever members of any Cosmopolitan group . .
    They feel rejected by white girls, leading them to feel a sort of sense of injustice at the whole thing . . .

    So they come to hate this culture which kinda favours their women against them
    and also the women who take such culture as fish to water .


    I think His brother's attitude results from that. (JUST A THEORY)
     
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    The same reason why non Indians commit this crime... in the name of honor. Errant attitudes among the Asian community at large in regards to honor are not limited to Muslims or Pakistanis. Besides, the culture of honor killing is pervasive in Indian culture as well, it's not like Hindus are immune to these problems either.
     
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    The culture of Honour Killing is not an all Indian phenomenon.

    There has been cases in Haryana.

    But I wonder if Haryanvis are there in Britain.

    Further, when Indians go to the UK, then they become 'sahibs'.

    Have you not seen blue collar immigrant Indians in UK speaking like cockneys as if that was high class English?

    That is their way of indicating that they are now 'sahibs'.

    Religion is not that strong a binding factor with Hindus or else there would have been a running mayhem in India at every drop of a hat!

    In the cow belt, traditions are the binding factor.
     
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    The issue is really simple.
    The level of education of the immigrant community when It migrates to the West makes all the difference.

    The reason you dont see honor killing among Muslims and even other Asian comunities here in the US is because most them were middle-class folk and came here with some education. Honor killing among immigrants has happened before in the US, but it is very rare.

    The UK is a different story - they let in tons of Sikhs, Indians and Pakis early on with very little or no education. So they now literally have Asian ghettos.
    These ghettos create the impression that you can create you "own little world within a new world" where you dont have to respect the local mores and values.

    The Indians who migrated from East Africa - Uganda, etc have done very well in the UK. The next generation have done even better. Again education is the big reason.

    Even Canada had a serious problem with Sikhs during the Khalistan Bhrindawale times. Same with the Sri-Lankan Tamils refugee immigration who brought all their baggage with them.
     
  21. Completely Agree . . . .

    Interesting to note here that the Killer Mother is still incapable of conversing in English after spending more then 25 years in England .
     

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