Pakistan blinks, reopens NATO supply routes

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    U.S.-Pakistan Flare-Up Threatens Troop Supply Route : NPR

    In the aftermath of the raid in a Pakistani garrison town that killed Osama bin Laden, Congress' anger toward Pakistan is growing. Some lawmakers want to suspend U.S. aid to Pakistan.

    But American military commanders are concerned about the potential impact on the war in Afghanistan. Most of the supplies for U.S. forces in that landlocked country are shipped in by truck through Pakistan.


    A Tough Border To Cross

    The Torkham border, near the Afghan city of Jalalabad, bustles with travelers, some of them crossing the frontier on foot, others driving big Bedford cargo trucks decorated with jingling chains and colorful paintings.

    Though Afghanistan borders five other countries, Pakistan is its main road to the sea — and the primary route keeping about 140,000 NATO troops supplied with everything from bullets to Gatorade. It's a long and treacherous road through the ancient Khyber Pass, but the deepest pitfalls along the way are political.

    Pakistani truckers run the gantlet of Pakistani-American relations with every trip from the ocean to NATO and U.S. bases in Afghanistan.

    It's always important for logisticians when they're supporting a war-fighting commander to not put all their eggs in one basket.
    - Brig. Gen. Ed Dorman

    Whenever there is a problem with international relations, Pakistan closes the border and won't let the drivers cross, says one trucker. And it's not easy even with the border open, the driver says.

    There are Taliban on the road, the drivers say, and once they get into the Pashtun tribal areas, people throw insults or even stones at the trucks they think are taking supplies to American bases in Afghanistan. Restaurants and hotels along the way refuse to serve them, and the local police can be just as troublesome as the local outlaws, they say.

    Every worry that a Pakistani trucker has translates into a concern for U.S. military planners.

    "It's always important for logisticians when they're supporting a war-fighting commander to not put all their eggs in one basket," says Brig. Gen. Ed Dorman.

    He says he is constantly assessing how to keep NATO forces inside Afghanistan supplied, not only through Pakistan but also from Central Asia and into Afghanistan from the north. But Pakistan is the cheapest route by far, and that means Dorman keeps a close eye on current events, like the U.S. raid into Pakistan that killed bin Laden last week.

    "You can't just focus on the beans and the bullets in the logistics lane; you have to be aware of what's going on — what kind of operations are occurring — so you can sustain the fight," he says.

    Bumpy relations with Pakistan are nothing new, and Dorman says U.S. military officials have been working strenuously over the past year to open or expand other routes to keep the supplies coming.

    'Our Relationship With Pakistan Is Vital'

    Still, the preferred option is to have an open, cooperative relationship with Pakistan. That's according to American officials, but even more important for Afghan officials, who will always have Pakistan as a neighbor, says Jaweed Ludin, Afghanistan's deputy foreign minister.

    "No one knows that better than we do," Ludin says. "Of course they're important. We realize that our relationship with Pakistan is going to remain a vital element in terms of restoring stability and peace to Afghanistan."

    At the same time, Ludin says, now that the fact of bin Laden's sanctuary in Pakistan is undeniable, he's hoping for a more honest discussion.

    "The one thing from our point of view that has to be addressed is the fact that there are safe sanctuaries that terrorists and Taliban enjoy outside Afghanistan, and until these sanctuaries are removed, there is no way you can even imagine victory," he says.

    Ludin says elements inside Pakistan are probably just as surprised and angry about the apparent support for bin Laden. He hopes those elements will now be empowered.

    In any event, Ludin says, Afghanistan has no interest in breaking off relations with Pakistan, and he hopes the U.S. Congress won't either.
     
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  3. SLASH

    SLASH Senior Member Senior Member

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    Everything will be back to normal in two days.

    Pakistan is completely dependent on foreign aid. Not only the civil society but also the military will not be able to last without the US supporting them.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

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    US should let India base troops in Afghanistan to get Pakistan back in line.
     
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    I think We donot have balls to do that Even if USA allows us to move some troops there. Regarding threatening supply line If pakistan does it now they will be bankrupt in no time while Russia will be richer .
     
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    Allow them to come under the NATO banner a "peace keeping force" similar to Israel.
     
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    In that case who will supply the logistics to indian troops and nato as well ? Coz after that probably pakistan will close down its lines.
     
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    There is another supply route thru Russia, either way logistics would come under US/NATO responsibility.
     
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    I don't think the US will foot any bill for logistics for India in the unlikely scenario of India stationing troops there.
    India has the Iran route open. We don't have to go via Russia which will be mighty expensive.
     
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    India can maintain high saturation naval rout from mumbai or Gujarat. Like in between American and Britain during world war II (against all odds).
     
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    Yes this option is there but is very fraught, given the complications of the history of US- Russian relations and mutual suspicion.
    And the agreement is only for non-lethal commodities. Lethal commodities still need to find the alternative to land into afghanistan.
    In 2009 the agreement was signed and so far they had only one test flight for the supply. Agreement was for 4500 flights per year.
    Kremlin had waived off the transit fee, but the agency in hold of the traffic control has rejected to waive off any fees to americans.

    Besides this, one also have to check which route is less costly. I am not sure which comes cheaper, but somewhere i read that if kremlin is waiving off the transit fee then US wud save 133 mn per year by using the air route over russia.
    Also read this ..

    But then again according to the article the train route coincides with the kyrygstan violence.
     
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    Lets fight and get back complete Kashmir from Pakistan. Then we shall provide logistics through Gilgit basin..:kickass: I know this is going to happen only in Utopia.. But it'll be good if it happens may be after 2 decades... :rolleyes:
     
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    Pak to re-open NATO supply routes: report

    Pakistan to re-open NATO routes to Afghanistan: official | Reuters
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    Pakistan to re-open NATO routes: report

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan expects to re-open supply routes to NATO forces in Afghanistan, halted after a NATO cross-border air attack killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November, but will impose tariffs, a senior security official told Reuters on Thursday.


    The official said the fees were designed to both express continued anger over the Nov. 26 incident, and raise more funds for the state to fight homegrown Taliban militants. No date was given for reopening the supply routes.
    The official said the fees were designed to both
    express continued anger over the November 26
    attack and raise funds for the state to fight
    homegrown Taliban militants.
    No date was given for reopening the supply
    routes.
    The NATO attack plunged relations between
    troubled allies Pakistan and the United States to
    their lowest point in years.
    Ties had already been severely strained by a
    secret raid by U.S. special forces that killed
    Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil in May last
    year, embarrassing the military, which has ruled
    the country for over half of its 64-year history
    and sets security and foreign policy.
    Asked if the re-opening was a sign that the crisis
    in relations had eased, the official said there was
    still some way to go before normalcy was
    possible.
    The two land routes to Afghanistan through
    Pakistan account for just under a third of all
    cargo that the NATO-led International Security
    Assistance Force (ISAF) ships into Afghanistan.
    (Reporting by Michael Georgy; Editing by Nick
    Macfie)
    (Reuters)
     
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    it seems pakistan's arogance and ego had deserted them in the middle of no-where.
     
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    Give money they will open up everything:rofl::laugh:
     
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    Money is running low.

    US aid has become very essential.

    Also their elections are near so some of it has to be squirrelled away to show Imran Khan and his 'tsunami' as to what is known as Money Power!!
     
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    This coming in the midst of a political chaos vis a vis the Army and the Civilian Government makes sense that this decision has been taken by the PA to keep US in loop, should they go for a coup to overthrow the elected govenment.
     
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    The NATO attack was a friendly fire incident which was blown out of proportion because of ignorance on part of the Pakistani civilians. Stuff like this happens and nobody is to blame for it. However Pakistan is suffering more than the US is because of this fiasco.

    Americans in the air have killed Americans and British on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Goes to show how essential a networked force actually is in helping reduce casualties. The birdbrain needs to be told by the hunters on the ground where the prey is or this kind of incident is expected.

    Seems like everything is back to square one. Oh! Not everything. The Americans are yet to release the aid.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:

    Hina Rabbani also appointed new FM.
     
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    This is effect of Freezing of Aid to Pakistan by united states !! Believe it or not Pakistan is dependent on U.S on economical and Military front
     
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    I believe you.:)
     

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