Pak. official admits 80% drone victims are terrorists

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If you told most americans that Pakistan is hideing Osama bin Laden in city of Abbottabad and we dont know where and we need to nuke it to take him out, what percentage of americans do you think would say great go ahead.
Your assumptions are invalid. Just for example, we don't have polls asking such questions to implement foreign policy. US Government would not say any such thing about UBL intel or lack of it.

I'm afraid you think most Americans see life as some kind of reality show.

I'm really afraid you may be right.

I'm terrified that you really are the "average American."
 

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No, they were already there, killing people outside the Pakistan, but after drone strikes they are killing their own master inside Pakistan which is hurting Pakistanis.
you don't know about pashtun culture and there quest of revenge

the families of the victims take revenge from pakistan for why allowing the drone strikes
 

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Anybody on DFI who starts talking about throwing nukes around is either immature or has psychological problems.
:p

My friends says your way too much obssesd with nukes better put some attention into girls.

i don't support nuclear war at all..i am just pissing off some members by calling for nuclear war with india :D
 

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you don't know about pashtun culture and there quest of revenge

the families of the victims take revenge from pakistan for why allowing the drone strikes
Americans are the same plus we like to fight.
Americans love to fight.
All real Americans love the sting of battle.
- George S. Patton

I use to like to fight but we allways had some rules
like if you gouged some ones eye out you had to give it back.

At the Republican convention years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, actor Ron Silver strode to the podium and delivered an emphatic statement of American resolve.

"We will never forgive. We will never forget. We will never excuse," he said to the cheering crowd at Madison Square Garden
Years after the hoffific event of Sept 11 the USA is still breathing revenge and retribution

I would say as an average american Pakistan is on the knifes edge right now, one effective major attack from Pakistan and the results for Pakistan may be a massive retailation, and today US military power is a 1000 times that of World War II even with out useing nuclear weapons.
 

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Patton: 'The Very Idea of Losing is Hateful to an American'



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Editor's note: Gen. George S. Patton Jr. (1885 – 1945) gave the speech below to the soldiers of the U.S. Third Army on June 5, 1944, one day before the Normandy invasion, D-Day. The speech -- portions of which were delivered by the actor George C. Scott in the 1970 movie "Patton" – is presented below in its entirety. WARNING: Some of the language is profane; a few colorful expressions were excised and marked with asterix. b><i>Gen. George S. Patton Jr. (1885-1945) </i></b>


Gen. George S. Patton Jr.:

Be seated. Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self-respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.

When you, here, every one of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players.

Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die [in the battle]. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar.

Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days.

But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they are He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen.

All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call 'chicken s*** drilling.' That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a f*** for a man who's not always on his toes.

You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-a-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of s***!

There are 400 neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily -- all because one man went to sleep on the job.

But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.

An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about f******!"

We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do.

My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bullshit either.



U.S. troops disembark on the beaches of Normandy, France, June 6, 1944. (Wikipedia Commons)


The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!

All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain.

What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' But what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, damnit, Americans don't think like that.

Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. S****.'

Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the damend cowards and we will have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the damned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!'

Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time.

We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over 40 consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable."

Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the G***amned Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'It's the damned Third Army again and that son-of-a-f***ing-bitch Patton.'

We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this damned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the damned Marines get all of the credit.



Men of 3rd Armored Division look at the front of a knocked out Sturmgeschütz, the corpse of one of the crew found itself suspended on the end of the barrel of the cannon. (Wikipedia Commons)


Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea! The hell with taking it! My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either.

We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living G***amned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks.

We're going to murder those lousy Huns by the bushel-f***ing-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!

I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a damned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's b****. We are going to twist him and kick the living s*** out of him all of the time.

Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like s*** through a tin horn!

From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good damn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood.

The harder we push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.

There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that 20 years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled s*** in Louisiana.'

No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a son-of-a-bitch named Georgie Patton!
 

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Americans are the same plus we like to fight.
Americans love to fight.
All real Americans love the sting of battle.
- George S. Patton

I use to like to fight but we allways had some rules
like if you gouged some ones eye out you had to give it back.

At the Republican convention years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, actor Ron Silver strode to the podium and delivered an emphatic statement of American resolve.

"We will never forgive. We will never forget. We will never excuse," he said to the cheering crowd at Madison Square Garden
Years after the hoffific event of Sept 11 the USA is still breathing revenge and retribution

I would say as an average american Pakistan is on the knifes edge right now, one effective major attack from Pakistan and the results for Pakistan may be a massive retailation, and today US military power is a 1000 times that of World War II even with out useing nuclear weapons.
your more than welcome

but i am 100% sure your govt is not as stupid as you are
 

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your more than welcome

but i am 100% sure your govt is not as stupid as you are
If I was from Pakjistan I dont think I would be throwing any aspersions on any ones else inelligence, Is there some reason after 911 you have reason to conclude that the USA supports a country like Pakistan that is involved in terrorism and was hideing the most want terrorist in the world Osama bin Laden,,,, is there some reason that you are so naive as to think Pakistan wont pay a price for hidieng Osama bin Laden and supporting terrorism.
 

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If I was from Pakjistan I dont think I would be throwing any aspersions on any ones else inelligence, Is there some reason after 911 you have reason to conclude that the USA supports a country like Pakistan that is involved in terrorism and was hideing the most want terrorist in the world Osama bin Laden,,,, is there some reason that you are so naive as to think Pakistan wont pay a price for hidieng Osama bin Laden and supporting terrorism.
if you can do anything than do it

otherwise don't make tall claims like india when you cant attack pakistan


ZIA warned india in 1987 and since than india has not crossed pakistan border by an inch
 

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if you can do anything than do it

otherwise don't make tall claims like india when you cant attack pakistan


ZIA warned india in 1987 and since than india has not crossed pakistan border by an inch
If I recall right we sent toops into the middle of Pakistan last year to kill Osama bin Laden and we launch attacks in Pakistan on an all most daily basis. Drone attacks or no drone attacks we will hold the country Pakistan responisible for any attacks on Americans from Pakistan Right now America is being nice, may God have mercy on your souls if you screw up.
 

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At the Republican convention years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, actor Ron Silver strode to the podium and delivered an emphatic statement of American resolve.
OMG for a second I thought you meant Ron Jeremy.:shocked:
 

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