North Korean nuclear crisis

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No, you don't know the fact at all. The real threat from Noko is not nuclear bomb but 20,000 North Korea artillery deployed on the border, the whole greater Seoul territory (accounts around 60% of South korean population and GDP) is within their threat. Do you know what that means? It means North Korea can destroy this country within half hour without using a single nuclear bomb and THAAD can't do anything about it.

No, South Korea doesn't need THAAD, American need it.
So why does NoKo even wants nukes???
If soko is already at it's mercy and if USA will annihilated it in case it uses nukes against Japan or soko or USA , then why the hell they would need nukes???

No you would come up with idiotic response that Kim wants nukes to prevent regime range .let me ask you why these artilleries which according to you can kill half of soko are not threat enough to prevent regime range????

If threat of killing half of soko won't save regime than nukes won't either.


Btw south Korean are getting more thaad now whether usa needs them or china:biggrin2:

Ok, kid, both countries are under the nuclear umbrella provided by American. If 7000 US nuclear bomb (plus another 10,000 in components) can't make them feel safe, what make you think that 10-30 their own nuclear bomb can do a better job?
Grandpa under Trump admin neither usa can be trusted to fight Japanese or Korean battle for them nor USA nuke umbrella is reliable.

And if NoKo posses capabilities to attack USA west coast , American might stop giving damn about soko lives.

If japs and soko can't keep trusting American response to NoKo crises. They need deterrence of their own .
 

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So, it was American miscalculated and forced North Korea to re-start their nuclear program.
Either you are stupid or you think everyone else is...

Yes, we all knew about the food grains to stop Nuclear research.

During all those years, research continued.

By the way, a country which has relationship and majority of it's trade only with China "obtained Uranium for testing" is a real mystery which no one wanna talk about.

They simply can't because American won't allow it. They already gave up their nuclear right as the condition for US nuclear umbrella.
If Japan wants to have a Nuke, then it can get it in very short time. But, SK doesn't want to have one. Nuking Pyongyang will also affect Seoul.

But to have a more clear picture, you have divide the period into two parts.

1. Pre NK having nuke: Jap and SK let America be the police while they developed economy.
2. Post NK having nuke: since America is police and took no action till 2017, there was a kind of calm in the KP. But the real question is are the threats from Kim are empty or they will cause enormous losses to lives.

This is a very big story, a story of it's own. So I had to write it up in one line.


No, you don't know the fact at all. The real threat from Noko is not nuclear bomb but 20,000 North Korea artillery deployed on the border, the whole greater Seoul territory (accounts around 60% of South korean population and GDP) is within their threat. Do you know what that means? It means North Korea can destroy this country within half hour without using a single nuclear bomb and THAAD can't do anything about it.
No, South Korea doesn't need THAAD, American need it.
I agree that NK artillery is a huge threat, but this is not stopping America to attack and defang Kim. PLAAF is stopping, if not for PLA, NK would have been steam rolled like 1950s. The truth is USN doesn't have an answer to PLAAF. If battle is to take place, USN will loose in the hands of PLAAF.

By the way, the role of That is to take a peak into PLAAF assets. The minute NK fires under the current circumstances, US will use the opportunity to crush NK by putting China at risk. So more hollow threats are gonna come(from all sides) before things settle down.

Artillery can be dealt with, but that comes at the cost. No, the cost is not Seoul or 60% of population and GDP, but yeah it could be a very small fraction of both population and infra. Which Seoul can bear it.



Ok, kid, both countries are under the nuclear umbrella provided by American. If 7000 US nuclear bomb (plus another 10,000 in components) can't make them feel safe, what make you think that 10-30 their own nuclear bomb can do a better job?
The difference is US having 7k nukes is nothing as Neither Japan nor SK can fire or persuade America to "fire or at least test" one of them.

If things push further, I think Japs might start something of their own. Japs had tasted two nukes, I bet they don't want third one....... But I am sure SK might not go for a plutonium one but a neutron bomb.
 
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NOKOR's most important deterrent is not its Abomb, it's SOKOR. Seoul alone is too close to NOKOR's artilleries that should NOKOR open fire Seoul would instantly turn to wasteland.

That's what's keeping the Americans at bay.

The more interesting is, will Japan finally adopt nukes (even indirectly by allowing the stationing of American nukes in Japan)? The upcoming Japanese PM certainly thinks so. That place will be awash with nuclear weapons.

You are right. The maps say so too. And then it implies that the young gun is insisting on having nukes for some other reason.



http://www10.giscafe.com/nbc/articles/1/901339/evc-scope-geospatial-newsletter-december-2010
 

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It was always the worry of Seoul getting razed down to rubble with the Noko Arty and rocket fire which stopped the action of Noko for all these days ..Not the nukes at all ...Seoul had more than 10 million population and all the development

Well india could have actually acted smart and used Noko to test our Nukes ..Same is what pakistan and China are doing ..Out of the last 5 Nuke test noko did there is wide speculation 2 were actually for our Porki neighbours there was even a satellite image of C-130 of PAF parked in Noko airbase sometime ago in some article ...

Even Nuke test in future from Noko is actually a grave danger for us ..As paki s will get the tech sooner or later ..Hope we don t become another seoul story when it comes to pakis threat ...

You are right. The maps say so too. And then it implies that the young gun is insisting on having nukes for some other reason.



http://www10.giscafe.com/nbc/articles/1/901339/evc-scope-geospatial-newsletter-december-2010
 

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So why does NoKo even wants nukes???
If soko is already at it's mercy and if USA will annihilated it in case it uses nukes against Japan or soko or USA , then why the hell they would need nukes???
No you would come up with idiotic response that Kim wants nukes to prevent regime range .let me ask you why these artilleries which according to you can kill half of soko are not threat enough to prevent regime range????
If threat of killing half of soko won't save regime than nukes won't either.

Because 20,000 artillery is not enough to stop American from initiating another Iraq war. But nuke can. They don’t need nuke to attack anyone. This is a political weapon for them. All they want is a security guarantee from American, the same Cuba got in 1960s.



Btw south Korean are getting more thaad now whether usa needs them or china


Grandpa under Trump admin neither usa can be trusted to fight Japanese or Korean battle for them nor USA nuke umbrella is reliable.


And if NoKo posses capabilities to attack USA west coast , American might stop giving damn about soko lives.


If japs and soko can't keep trusting American response to NoKo crises. They need deterrence of their own .

First of all, the NOKO’s nuke is not for Japanese or South Korean as I explained in the above;

Secondly, going nuclear will decrease Japan or Korea safety. This will not only lead to the termination of American nuclear umbrella but force Russian and China to add these 2 countries on to their target list.

The reality is: without Americans, neither of them can stand alone in front of Russians or Chinese. So, no, even though they may have doubt about Americans, they have no other option.
 

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They don’t need nuke to attack anyone. This is a political weapon for them.
This is bullshit. Nukes are political weapon for every country. Nobody needs nukes to attack anybody .
American nuclear umbrella but force Russian and China to add these 2 countries on to their target list.
So you are telling me china doesn't have nukes aimed at Japan Currently. You are a bigger idiot then you let on:hehe:

The reality is: without Americans, neither of them can stand alone in front of Russians or Chinese. So, no, even though they may have doubt about Americans, they have no other option.
Japanese have beaten both Russia and China all alone. When Japanese were raping chinese women in Nanking they didn't need anybody's help. It was china which needed saving by USA .

The point is NoKo action can't go without response. Now either NoKo denounce nuclear weapons which is not going to happen or soko and Japan go nuclear.

There has to be some consequences. Otherwise Japan and soko both look week.
Some nations do follow through their threats unlike the Chinese who can only rely on rhetoric:hehe:
 

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USA has given a nuclear umbrella to Japan and South Korea and also has a alliance with them.

PRC has ...

USA is better at managing alliance ? PRC is better at managing alliance ?

future alliances ...

what is better - a nuclear umbrella - a nuke weapon test.
 

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This is bullshit. Nukes are political weapon for every country. Nobody needs nukes to attack anybody.
Russians and Americans are laughing at you.


So you are telling me china doesn't have nukes aimed at Japan Currently. You are a bigger idiot then you let on:hehe:
Of course, the "Smart" kid like you doesn't understand that Chinese only has mere enough nukes to deter one enemy. No, they don't have spare nukes aiming at Japan.


Japanese have beaten both Russia and China all alone. When Japanese were raping chinese women in Nanking they didn't need anybody's help. It was china which needed saving by USA.
Really? Is that why Japanese get over 100,000 Americans soldiers on their land because they don't need saving by USA?

The point is NoKo action can't go without response. Now either NoKo denounce nuclear weapons which is not going to happen or soko and Japan go nuclear.
We have been talking about North korean nuclear weapons for over 20 years, where is your "SOKO and Japan go nuclear"?

There has to be some consequences. Otherwise Japan and soko both look week.Some nations do follow through their threats unlike the Chinese who can only rely on rhetoric:hehe:
Looks like Korean and Japanese doesn't agree with you.
 

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Really? Is that why Japanese get over 100,000 Americans soldiers on their land because they don't need saving by USA?
What part of "they lost a war and weren't allowed to have a military" don't you understand? If the American alliance falls through and they start militarizing again, expect to be whipped soundly while you whimper like a little puppy.

Not only will the Japanese industrial complex produce reliable military equipment that actually works as in tended unlike your substandard junk, they will do it without begging/copying and stealing.

Then they will actually use it ruthlessly while your country cries to the world about human rights abuses. Geez, what a bunch of sorry, delusional people you are. :playball:
 

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An interesting debate where people are taking NoKo's side.

Can u summarize pls in 2/3 line ? I have same amount of respect to RT as same as to CNN/BBC( almost nothing) , don't think any sensible will cameout from propaganda network rather anti-japan/USA talks
 

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Of course, the "Smart" kid like you doesn't understand that Chinese only has mere enough nukes to deter one enemy. No, they don't have spare nukes aiming at Japan.
Aww how cute. And how much time it takes to turn a missile which is aiming at USA to aim is towards tokyo.???

And how would Japanese know where your missiles are aiming?? Would you invite Japanese at missiles launch pads and allow them to inspect that you're not aiming at them:hehe:

Is that why Japanese get over 100,000 Americans soldiers on their land because they don't need saving by USA?
USA put Japan under control so that they don't go rouge again to rape chinese. So for decades essentially USA troops have been in Japan to save chinese ass. It's only now that USA are using them to again smack the Chinese ass.:devil::devil::devil:
We have been talking about North korean nuclear weapons for over 20 years, where is your "SOKO and Japan go nuclear"?
You brainwashed moron:facepalm: Japan and soko won't need 20 years to build nukes.
Looks like Korean and Japanese doesn't agree with you.
So you already know what Japs and soko would do next???? :lawl:
 

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Can u summarize pls in 2/3 line ? I have same amount of respect to RT as same as to CNN/BBC( almost nothing) , don't think any sensible will cameout from propaganda network rather anti-japan/USA talks
Noko has learnt from middle east - libya, Iraq, that once you give up your weapons, USA will destroy you. So for Kim being nuclear is the only option to save the country.
 

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Noko has learnt from middle east - libya, Iraq, that once you give up your weapons, USA will destroy you. So for Kim being nuclear is the only option to save the country.
This theory used by terrorist nation of pakistan and other middle-Eastern to justify their nuclear program..
US keep NOKO so that they can continue de fecto rule of SOKO and justify deploying air-defense and other-stuff with in 50 miles of eastern coast of China ....

These propaganda just for seeking support from muslim nation with their never ending Victim card ...
 

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This theory used by terrorist nation of pakistan and other middle-Eastern to justify their nuclear program..
US keep NOKO so that they can continue de fecto rule of SOKO and justify deploying air-defense and other-stuff with in 50 miles of eastern coast of China ....

These propaganda just for seeking support from muslim nation with their never ending Victim card ...
The difference is US knew pak is getting nuclear and did nothing.
 

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Reasons why Sanction fail to work on North Korea
By Bloomberg | Sep 15, 2017, 11.11 AM IST

With the United Nations imposing yet another round of sanctions on North Koreafor its nuclear provocations, it's worth asking why such penalties have been failing for more than a decade.

One reason is that the North Korean economy is improving more than is commonly understood -- and that will make altering its behavior through trade barriers significantly harder.

The current approach to sanctions is partly based on the assumption that North Korea's economy is a socialist nightmare, but that's no longer really true. Although the country is still poor, its gross domestic product grew by an estimated 3.9 per cent in 2016, to about $28.5 billion, the fastest pace in 17 years.

Wages have risen quickly, and per-capita GDP is now on par with Rwanda, an African economic exemplar.

This progress is partly due to continued trade with China, which remains reluctant to crack down on its neighbor, despite calls for tighter sanctions.

Although China agreed in February to ban North Korean coal imports, iron imports have surged and total trade increased by 10.5 percent in the first half of the year, to $2.55 billion.

At the same time, economic reforms made in 2011 have begun to take hold, allowing factory managers to set salaries, find their own suppliers, and hire and fire employees. Farming collectives have been replaced by a family-based management system, which has led to far greater harvests. The government has even come to tolerate private enterprise on a limited basis.

The results are striking. Street vendors, once rare, are now a common site in Pyongyang. Some neighborhoods have new luxury high-rises, modern supermarkets, fashionable shops, and streets busy with Mercedes-Benzes and BMWs. Although the government denies having abandoned the old socialist system, the evidence is undeniable: By some estimates, the private sector now accounts for up to half of GDP.

Meanwhile, given the country's still-widespread impoverishment, simple improvements in agriculture and natural-disaster management are enough to yield significant new growth. Last year's impressive GDP gains were due largely to recovery from a bad drought in 2015.

For North Koreans, rising living standards are obviously a good thing. The problem is that the economy still has plenty of room to grow before further progress will require the removal of trade barriers. That means it could be years before new sanctions would hurt enough to cause a significant change in behavior. Until then, the nation's ideology of self-reliance, known as juche, seems almost plausible.

Kim Jong-un, North Korea's dictator, looks to be fashioning himself after South Korea's Park Chung-hee or China's Deng Xiaoping -- that is, as an iron-fisted economic reformist. Despite rampant human-rights violations, Park still stands tall in the memory of many South Koreans for bringing the country into economic maturity. Deng is largely responsible for turning China into the economic powerhouse that it is today. It's easy to imagine that if Kim's nuclear arsenal keeps the U.S. military at bay long enough, he's got a shot at a similar legacy.

Of course, he still faces some enormous challenges, not least being cut off from the global system of trade. Hidebound apparatchiks may object to further reforms, a wealthier public may question the legitimacy of Communist rule in an increasingly capitalist state, and market bubbles could prove destabilizing. But faced with excruciating pressure and scant resources, North Korea has nevertheless been steadily achieving its goals for years. Further economic growth is likely to only help.
 

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