North Korean nuclear crisis

[Flame Thrower]

Deterrence Believers Shoud Cheer the North Korean Bomb

How did we get here? In the 1950s the USA dropped 635,000 tonnes of bombs on North Korea including 35,000 tonnes of napalm. The US killed an estimated 20% of the North Korean population. For comparison, approximately 2% of the UK population was killed during World War II.

That this massive destruction of North Korea resulted in a xenophobic, American-hating state with an obsession with developing powerful weapons systems to ensure national survival, is not exactly surprising. The western media treat the existence of the Kim Jong-un regime as an inexplicable and eccentric manifestation of evil. In fact, it is caused. Unless those causes are addressed the situation can never be resolved. Has any western politician ever referenced the history I have just given in discussing North Korea?

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/09/deterrence-believers-shoud-cheer-north-korean-bomb/

These assholes think they are intellectuals...

They feel that since America had bombed NK and destroyed 20% of the population, they have the right to build the bomb as deterrence.

Why NK has to attack in the first place!?

Korean war:
Who ever has gone through the Korean war, definitely will not blame America for such a huge losses. These Bastards don't say that all of that bombing tonnage was intended for military targets. Unlike in WW2 no major bombing run had been conducted on civilian cities, yes civilian targets might have been destroyed due to int failure, but those attacks are not intentional.

Yes, it was a war... A war which has started as sending 100k strong regular troops in South Korea, soon the irregulars (non combatants with no proper training), when Korea was out of troops, China started to send it's force.

Present day:

Do these guys understand what they are talking!? They want someone to have an ICBM coupled with 50 to 100k ton nuke. That bastard Kim has ordered people to have only 10 hairstyles because he is afraid of Scissors. He killed his uncle in the most cruel way because of what? A comment on the party. Simple crime(such as carrying a Bible) could land three generations i.e., you, your father and your son could end up in concentration camps till death.

The less we talk about the atrocities of Kim the better.

 

[IndianHawk]

These assholes think they are intellectuals...

They feel that since America had bombed NK and destroyed 20% of the population, they have the right to build the bomb as deterrence.

Why NK has to attack in the first place!?

Korean war:
Who ever has gone through the Korean war, definitely will not blame America for such a huge losses. These Bastards don't say that all of that bombing tonnage was intended for military targets. Unlike in WW2 no major bombing run had been conducted on civilian cities, yes civilian targets might have been destroyed due to int failure, but those attacks are not intentional.

Yes, it was a war... A war which has started as sending 100k strong regular troops in South Korea, soon the irregulars (non combatants with no proper training), when Korea was out of troops, China started to send it's force.

Present day:

Do these guys understand what they are talking!? They want someone to have an ICBM coupled with 50 to 100k ton nuke. That bastard Kim has ordered people to have only 10 hairstyles because he is afraid of Scissors. He killed his uncle in the most cruel way because of what? A comment on the party. Simple crime(such as carrying a Bible) could land three generations i.e., you, your father and your son could end up in concentration camps till death.

The less we talk about the atrocities of Kim the better.

The situation makes me laugh honestly. It was a war between NoKo and soko .USA entered to defend soko from being overrun. Today somehow it has became war between NoKo and USA while soko is suing for peace...

How the hell did that happen?????

Both soko and Japan have been focusing on economy while leaving the burden of military on USA. Soko and Japan want to appease china for money they earn in china while keeping USA in tow to deal with mad Kim.

This provides liberal with opportunity to play equal equal and say look what USA did.
USA and russia both are looking like doves for peace who are warnings against war. They empowered NoKo with nukes and now want USA to accept it as fait accomply .

Funny thing is that USA and China did the same with pakistan. Karma is a bitch.

Trump was right to rap the soko. It is still the fight of soko vs NoKo and Japan vs china. Either soko and Japan must grow balls ( go nuclear or go with attack on noko ) or USA Should cut it's losses and leave soko and Japs at Mercy of china NoKo.

 

[no smoking]

The situation makes me laugh honestly. It was a war between NoKo and soko .USA entered to defend soko from being overrun. Today somehow it has became war between NoKo and USA while soko is suing for peace...

How the hell did that happen?????

Both soko and Japan have been focusing on economy while leaving the burden of military on USA. Soko and Japan want to appease china for money they earn in china while keeping USA in tow to deal with mad Kim.

This provides liberal with opportunity to play equal equal and say look what USA did.
USA and russia both are looking like doves for peace who are warnings against war. They empowered NoKo with nukes and now want USA to accept it as fait accomply .

Funny thing is that USA and China did the same with pakistan. Karma is a bitch.

Really?
In early 2000s, under the Clinton administration, US and North Korea reached an agreement that North Korea terminated her nuclear program for the food aid from US and 2 civilian nuclear reactors. Korean did honor their part of deal. But when Bush came into power, he revolted the agreement as Trump did to TPP as he believe that they can wait for the collapse of Kim rule.

Trump was right to rap the soko. It is still the fight of soko vs NoKo and Japan vs china. Either soko and Japan must grow balls ( go nuclear or go with attack on noko ) or USA Should cut it's losses and leave soko and Japs at Mercy of china NoKo.

Again, really? You won't think so if you know:
It was American forced South Korea and Japan to give their right of going nuclear;
Until today, every single kilogram of nuclear material imported by South Korea and Japan is under the supervision of Americans;
Until today, with American's permission and corporation, neither of these 2 can supply their own forces with their own weapons.

No, their balls are already in the hands of Americans.

 

[IndianHawk]

Really?
In early 2000s, under the Clinton administration, US and North Korea reached an agreement that North Korea terminated her nuclear program for the food aid from US and 2 civilian nuclear reactors. Korean did honor their part of deal. But when Bush came into power, he revolted the agreement as Trump did to TPP as he believe that they can wait for the collapse of Kim rule.

They could've waited out for Kim regime collapse but now with nukes they can't wait !!

Again, really? You won't think so if you know:
It was American forced South Korea and Japan to give their right of going nuclear;
Until today, every single kilogram of nuclear material imported by South Korea and Japan is under the supervision of Americans;
Until today, with American's permission and corporation, neither of these 2 can supply their own forces with their own weapons.

No, their balls are already in the hands of Americans.

The game change when NoKo went nuclear in 2006. What have been Japanese and soko doing since them . They should've immediately went nuclear in response.

Soko even under direct nuclear threat by NoKo was still trying to delay thaad to appease china . Even when USA was pushing it to have them . Your logic doesn't hold water.

Now soko and Japan need to respond . They simply can't live under the shadow of a thermonuclear Korea. They will have to go nuclear themselves.

This is mess made by Chinese too by supporting Kim regime . Now china can have two more nuclear neighbors.
China is already the country with most nuclear neighbors , I'm sure it can handle two more .

 

[Kay]

North Korea was never a real threat for US - it was a convenient bogeyman for US politicians wanting to use nationalistic sentiments for their own benefits.
Now US will simply turn down the mike and focus on someone else.

 

[Kay]

The biggest loser here is China. North Korea was a Chinese card against US. Now the card has played itself.

 

[Compersion]

I wonder how the Russia and India are working closely on the North Korea example ... India understands that NSG and UNSC membership needs to be done. I am sure the others are appreciative of role India has played and is playing.

 

[Khagesh]

Can the world be sure that this was the real version that was tested by North Korea?

What if this is handed over by China and some entirely new series is tested by China inside Korea?

 

[indus]

Japan shares a border with Russia too. SoKo and Japs going nuclear will also change the dynamics with Russia. It will change the geostrategic scenario of whole east asia.

 

[Khagesh]

The situation makes me laugh honestly. It was a war between NoKo and soko .USA entered to defend soko from being overrun. Today somehow it has became war between NoKo and USA while soko is suing for peace...

How the hell did that happen?????

Both soko and Japan have been focusing on economy while leaving the burden of military on USA. Soko and Japan want to appease china for money they earn in china while keeping USA in tow to deal with mad Kim.

This provides liberal with opportunity to play equal equal and say look what USA did.
USA and russia both are looking like doves for peace who are warnings against war. They empowered NoKo with nukes and now want USA to accept it as fait accomply .

Funny thing is that USA and China did the same with pakistan. Karma is a bitch.

Trump was right to rap the soko. It is still the fight of soko vs NoKo and Japan vs china. Either soko and Japan must grow balls ( go nuclear or go with attack on noko ) or USA Should cut it's losses and leave soko and Japs at Mercy of china NoKo.

Jai Ho.



Strange are the ways of this Great Game.

 

[Khagesh]

These assholes think they are intellectuals...

They feel that since America had bombed NK and destroyed 20% of the population, they have the right to build the bomb as deterrence.

Why NK has to attack in the first place!?

Arre bhai. North Koreans care for Korean unification.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

160 KT yield instead of previously thought 100 KT.

 

[Flame Thrower]

160 KT yield instead of previously thought 100 KT.

Any source to back it would be great.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Any source to back it would be great.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wo...eld-of-160-km-says-a-news-report-2377843.html

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

Japan and SoKo both are USA slave countries. NoKo is stupid enough to provoke Japan. If both goes Nuclear, USA has nothing to lose, but China will lose its 1 guarding pillar.

 

[Kay]

It would be wise to assume Pakistan now has a 160 KT nuke.

 

[indus]

It would be wise to assume Pakistan now has a 160 KT nuke.

Yes. But does that change the equation. Ifff Pak makes the mistake of using nuke on India it will be erased from the map. Our doctrine also covers use of tactical nukes on Indian army, even if it is on pak soil.

 

[no smoking]

They could've waited out for Kim regime collapse but now with nukes they can't wait !!

So, it was American miscalculated and forced North Korea to re-start their nuclear program.

The game change when NoKo went nuclear in 2006. What have been Japanese and soko doing since them . They should've immediately went nuclear in response.

They simply can't because American won't allow it. They already gave up their nuclear right as the condition for US nuclear umbrella.

Soko even under direct nuclear threat by NoKo was still trying to delay thaad to appease china . Even when USA was pushing it to have them . Your logic doesn't hold water.

No, you don't know the fact at all. The real threat from Noko is not nuclear bomb but 20,000 North Korea artillery deployed on the border, the whole greater Seoul territory (accounts around 60% of South korean population and GDP) is within their threat. Do you know what that means? It means North Korea can destroy this country within half hour without using a single nuclear bomb and THAAD can't do anything about it.

No, South Korea doesn't need THAAD, American need it.

Now soko and Japan need to respond . They simply can't live under the shadow of a thermonuclear Korea. They will have to go nuclear themselves.

This is mess made by Chinese too by supporting Kim regime . Now china can have two more nuclear neighbors.
China is already the country with most nuclear neighbors , I'm sure it can handle two more .

Ok, kid, both countries are under the nuclear umbrella provided by American. If 7000 US nuclear bomb (plus another 10,000 in components) can't make them feel safe, what make you think that 10-30 their own nuclear bomb can do a better job?

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Trump wants to denuke NoKo and that too with Chinese help.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nuke-capabilities-with-chinese-president.html

 

[asianobserve]

NOKOR's most important deterrent is not its Abomb, it's SOKOR. Seoul alone is too close to NOKOR's artilleries that should NOKOR open fire Seoul would instantly turn to wasteland.

That's what's keeping the Americans at bay.

The more interesting is, will Japan finally adopt nukes (even indirectly by allowing the stationing of American nukes in Japan)? The upcoming Japanese PM certainly thinks so. That place will be awash with nuclear weapons.