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EnlightenedMonk

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the mainbody of N.korea nuke industry was buil with the help from Soviet in 1970s-1980s.

China didn'nt deliberately help N.korea with nuke .

China's policy is that " let N.Korea survive but never let N.kroea live easy"

If N,korea can live on one piece of bread, CHina never give N.korea 2 pieces of bread.
Well, they can certainly live without all the weapons you supply them and all the standing up you do for them in the UN... they could survive perfectly well without all that... but yet, you do it for them...
 

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the mainbody of N.korea nuke industry was buil with the help from Soviet in 1970s-1980s.

China didn'nt deliberately help N.korea with nuke .

China's policy is that " let N.Korea survive but never let N.kroea live too easy"

If N,korea can live on one piece of bread, CHina never give N.korea 2 pieces of bread.

what China wants most is to make N.kroea Survive but stiill hungery
The fact is that the fit perfectly into your global strategy of wanting to play police and getting international recognition for yourself and so you don't condemn and take them to task even though you are perfectly placed to do that...
 

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^^^ Badguy can you please give a link to support the statement that Soviet assistance built main body of NKorean nuke industry?

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^^^ Badguy can you please give a link to support the statement that Soviet assistance built main body of NKorean nuke industry?

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And, please try and make sure they are neutral sources... and not some CCP propaganda because we here have come to utterly detest those...
 

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The fact is that the fit perfectly into your global strategy of wanting to play police and getting international recognition for yourself and so you don't condemn and take them to task even though you are perfectly placed to do that...
to some extent , so it is indeed.


N.kroea is a useful tool to keep USA busy.

When USA is busy, it should has less time to think about how to make troubles to China.


Frankly speaking , I indeed appreciate Bin Laden very much, of course not for his killing so many innocent people( I am sorry for those innocent victims in 911),but because Bin Laden succeeded in convert USA's attention from troubling CHina to "anti-terror war".


In fact, when Bush came into power in 2000 , USA still could manage to put China in check------In fact, Bush indeed wanted to do so before 911.

When Bush came into power, China's GDP was only about 12% of USA's.
When Bush came down, China's GDP was already about 1/3 of USA's.

When Bush came into power , China was just the 6th biggest exportor in the world.
When B ush came down, CHina was already the 2nd biggest exporor

When Bush came into power, China's forex was just only 100+ billion USD;
When Bush came down, CHina's forex was almost 2 trillion USD.

When Bush came into power, China was hungery for investment from USA;
When Bush came down, USA was hungery for investment from CHina.
 

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China didn'nt deliberately help N.korea with nuke
Maybe, but they helped the greatest nuclear weapons proliferator country of all time.
In other words, they were the founders/investors of the nuclear Wal-Mart (read Pakistan).
 

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^^^ Badguy can you please give a link to support the statement that Soviet assistance built main body of NKorean nuke industry?

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well, I indeed read a ariticle in chinese about the N.kroea nuke Industry.

the article is a not a political ,but a science article. It introduced how N.Korea first nuke reaction was built and how its nuke scientists were trained by Soviet in late 1960s.

But this article was not published on a papar journal in CHinese.

And it was long long ago when I read it.....so no available line here.:blum3:
 
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bye bye NPT. Interesting N. korea conducted the test after aid to Pakistan . I wonder if they were testing it for Pakistan or Iran?
 

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bye bye NPT. Interesting N. korea conducted the test after aid to Pakistan . I wonder if they were testing it for Pakistan or Iran?
Quite an interesting possibility... but could a bomb be sent from Pakistan all the way to North Korea to be tested ???

Also, the Pakistanis use Uranium based bombs and the North Koreans seem to have Plutonium based ones... am I right ???

Wouldn't satellites and sensors be able to pick up which type of bomb was tested based on the spectrometer (or something) readings ???
 
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estimates are it was 20KT bomb that would give 4.7 on reichter scale. N.korea use plutonium same as China; it is amore advanced than pakistan and Iran's program which uranium based.
 

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Ok... so in general Plutonium ones are better, are they ??? I have no knowledge of all this...
 
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plutonium decays faster than uranium and the chain reaction usually goes to completion, which some say makes them more deadly, plutonium bombs are also more difficult to make and detonate usually a series of explosions around the warhead are used to trigger the chain reaction, plutonium bombs usually show a higher level of sophistication rather than the centrifuge yellow cake uranium route which is time consuming. plutonium is usually a byproduct in nuclear reactors that can be reprocessed to make bombs(reprocessing an issue in indian nuke deal even currently with USA). In short plutonium bombs are more precise and difficult to make and require greater expertise in nuclear processes.
 

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plutonium decays faster than uranium and the chain reaction usually goes to completion. plutonium bombs are also more difficult to make and detonate usually a series of explosions around the warhead are used to trigger the chain reaction, plutonium bombs usually show a higher level of sophistication rather than the centrifuge yellow cake uranium route which is time consuming. plutonium is usually a byproduct in nuclear reactors that can be reprocessed to make bombs(reprocessing an issue in indian nuke deal even currently with USA). In short plutonium bombs are more precise and difficult to make and require greater expertise in nuclear processes.
Thanks for clearing it out bro... so, what do the Chinese have ??? Plutonium ??? And, what about you ??? Which ones do you have ???
 

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North Korea. Is any sanction too much?

Cut off all aid. Food, fuel and textiles. Everything. Stop messing about with this rogue nation.
This is the latest pussyfooting around.

Diplomat: Expanded N Korea sanctions proposed

By EDITH M. LEDERER – 40 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — A U.N. diplomat says key world powers have proposed a range of expanded U.N. sanctions against North Korea in response to its recent nuclear test.

He said Wednesday they have also discussed measures to give teeth to existing sanctions against the reclusive Asian nation.

The United States, Russia, China, Britain and France, and the two countries most closely affected by the nuclear test, Japan and South Korea, met Tuesday to discuss a new Security Council resolution.

The diplomat is familiar with the talks but spoke on condition of anonymity because they were closed.

The diplomat says the proposals range from a broader arms embargo to an asset freeze on individuals and additional companies, and restrictions on the country's financial and banking operations.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

TYPICAL AND EXPECTED RESPONSE BY RUSSIA

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that while world powers should be firm, they should not inflame tensions.

He said they needed to avoid punishment "for the sake of punishment" alone.
 

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North Korea: A glimpse inside a secret state



Two US journalists were detained by the North Koreans on Tuesday while reporting from the China-North Korea border. The BBC's Michael Bristow was also on the border on Tuesday. Here he reports on what he found.

There are few signs of motorised transport along the river

The border between China and North Korea, which stretches for nearly 1,500km (900 miles), is heavily guarded by soldiers from both countries.

Two rivers, the Yalu and the Tumen, act as the border along much of its length. But wire fences have also been erected, sometimes on both sides.

The border seems to be more heavily guarded on the North Korean side. There are military points every few kilometres in some places.

Foreigners are not usually welcome in North Korea so it is difficult to get information about what is going on inside the country.

But it is possible to hire a boat and travel along the Yalu River to get a glimpse of ordinary life in the secretive socialist state.

The BBC took a boat along the river just outside the Chinese border city of Dandong, through which much of the cross-border trade passes.

It is obvious from a brief look at North Korea that the country is very poor.

North Korean farmers working in the fields were using their hands. There were no tractors, not even horses.

There appears to be little mechanisation in this rural area. A cow-pulled cart was being loaded with water from the cool, clear river.



The BBC also spotted a ferry taking passengers from an island in the river to the mainland of North Korea.

It was making slow progress because it was being powered by a large oar pulled from side-to-side by two men standing at the back of the boat.


There was also a commune of about a dozen bungalows on the island.

A slogan over a gateway leading into the commune praises North Korea's founder father Kim Il-sung.

The World Food Programme says that nearly nine million North Koreans will need foreign food aid this year.

This rural face is one that North Korea's current leader, Kim Jong-il, does not want the outside world to see.

Shopping in Dandong

The relationship between China and North Korea was forged in blood. China sent an army to help the North during the Korean War.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers died in the fighting and there is a memorial to their sacrifice in the centre of Dandong.

It is typical communist architecture. There is a tall, square tower surrounded by four sculptures showing courageous soldiers.

But this relationship is also about trade. North Korea relies on China for much of its food, fuel and guns.

Traders who sell to North Koreans have shops in the streets around China's customs post in Dandong.

One of these traders is Li Hongde, who runs a shop that sells everyday items such as cups, plates and pans.

The cheapest thing he sells is a glass, which costs just 2 yuan (30 US cents, 21 UK pence). The most expensive item is a rice cooker that costs 2,760 yuan ($404, £284).

"Business isn't very good at the moment because it's winter and the political situation isn't very stable," he said.

He said North Koreans prefer buying household items made in South Korea
because they are reliable - and marked with Korean characters.

But before taking their purchases home, the North Koreans scrub off any markings that show where they were made.

There is an array of items on sale at other shops in the district, including electric keyboards, bicycles and hammers.

Many items are taken to North Korea via Dandong's Sino-Korean Friendship Bridge, the main crossing point between the two countries.

It stands next to the Broken Bridge, the previous crossing point that was built by the Japanese and destroyed by US bombers in the Korean War.

The Friendship Bridge is able to carry road and rail cargo, but there is not much traffic at the moment.

In the space of an hour, a van, a couple of trucks and a short train crossed over. It does not seem like business is booming.
 
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China has also been vetoing everything against N.korea with friends like China and Russia N.korea does not have to worry about a thing, very little can be done to them since they have been isolation anyway, useless drafts won't do much.
 

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North is alive becoz of China. China has frankly outplayed the Unkil here, and the best/worst part of it is Unkil Ob can(or wont) do nothing about it except to plead before the dragon.
 

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I feel sorry for the peasants and little people but how much longer are we to feed and clothe their people whilst they use all their money on weapons.

As I said, China wants to nuke someone by proxy so they don't get nuked back themselves.
 
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Sailor it is to late dwell on this after China has stolen the whole US manufacturing base. Even USA's pride and joy GM is going to have the communist chinese build and ship the junk over here, nobody buys it when it's made in detroit and no one will touch it when it comes from china.
 

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