Nobel winner V Ramakrishnan refuses to attend Indian Science Congress, calls it a 'circus'

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

When you add kuja to sani (I don't know english terms), It is like addition.
Two of them will combine forces, and fuk you up.

Kuja is known for mind fuk. Sani known for life fuc.

Both of them will total fuk. I never learnt astrology but heard some kind of scientific explanation to it.
About periodic table and it's relation to grahas and what not.

Hope my post helped you.

Never studied enough astrology to know it's effects. Only evidence can help understand it better.

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[Ancient Indian]

Never studied enough astrology to know it's effects. Only evidence can help understand it better.

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So far we ditched what ever our ancestors left us.
Some how these things survived time itself. To scrap it as some foolish thing looks very much irrational to me.

 

[Ancient Indian]

What i meant is that non experts may not be able disprove a pseudo science because he doesn't have expertise to find flaws and wrong things said in that pseudo scientific theories. Experts debunk it and we in good faith/ rational read their explenations to why a so called theory/ practice is unscientific.

Can you tell me how they became pseudo science?
Our people are making calendars with good predictions for more than few thousand years.

Some how they are able to predict rains and droughts. We never give thought to the process behind it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Well what his view about God `s existence . ..

A scitenist worth his salt would never believe in God

till then i know his views about God existence i believe he belongs to indian cateogry of scientish who believes in god existence

Don't know about him but I'm an atheist(don't believe in God) and preparing for doing Ph.D. after post graduation.

 

[Ancient Indian]

Don't know about him but I'm an atheist(don't believe in God) and preparing for doing Ph.D. after post graduation.

What is with this athiest crap?
There is no such thing as athiest in hinduthva.

The term is Charvaka . These are the people who don't believe in god only finding comfort in wordly matters. never going beyond that.

I also have question for you.
What do you think about the entire creation?
I edited it. Quote me in Athiest thread. I really want to know your views on this athiest crap.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

What is with this athiest crap?
There is no such thing as athiest in hinduthva.

The term is Charvaka . These are the people who don't believe in god only finding comfort in wordly matters. never going beyond that.

Whatever be the term, I didn't classify me on such bases. My family is too religious meanwhile I consider God as a superstition from my childhood.
As a student of Science(probably future scientist), I won't believe anything without proof.

I also have question for you.
What do you think about the entire creation?
I edited it. Quote me in Athiest thread. I really want to know your views on this athiest crap.

I believe in Big Bang theory unlike others do but it seems nonsense that universe may have suddenly blasted from a bubble.
Instead I think there must be an advanced civilization may have created us.
The only difference between this civilization and God is, people think God is almighty and unchallenged but to me, this civilization is in approach and mankind can reach these levels if survives for some millions of years.
I got this hilarious thought while studying about cells of computer screen in physics lecture.
I reached the conclusion that the screen must refer to an artificial colony of cells which leave and die.
Later I watched Grand Design theory of Hawking.(I was feeling jealous like my thoughts were stolen).
Engulfed about my crazy and stupid ideas, I'm not sure about creation of world. But I think it's more sensible to me to wonder and research about creation of universe instead of believing any theory almighty without proof.

 

[Ancient Indian]

Whatever be the term, I didn't classify me on such bases. My family is too religious meanwhile I consider God as a superstition from my childhood.
As a student of Science(probably future scientist), I won't believe anything without proof.

I believe in Big Bang theory unlike others do but it seems nonsense that universe may have suddenly blasted from a bubble.
Instead I think there must be an advanced civilization may have created us.
The only difference between this civilization and God is, people think God is almighty and unchallenged but to me, this civilization is in approach and mankind can reach these levels if survives for some millions of years.
I got this hilarious thought while studying about cells of computer screen in physics lecture.
I reached the conclusion that the screen must refer to an artificial colony of cells which leave and die.
Later I watched Grand Design theory of Hawking.(I was feeling jealous like my thoughts were stolen).
Engulfed about my crazy and stupid ideas, I'm not sure about creation of world. But I think it's more sensible to me to wonder and research about creation of universe instead of believing any theory almighty without proof.

Well. . .centuries of blocking knowledge and keeping it to certain section of people made the god some imaginary thing to common people.

In our scriptures, Big Bang had been discussed but in separate way.
At the starting of kalpa, every thing is in small point. Then started expansion which they called it Sankalpa.
There is also vikalpa which is reverted state to point again.

Grand Design theory of Hawking.

I don't want to go into quantum world. That world fucked my mind more than porn in my teenage days.
I assure you this thing will leave you like child in forest. Left alone, you will have only you nothing else to speak.

Fuck the science. It is enemy of mine.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Well. . .centuries of blocking knowledge and keeping it to certain section of people made the god some imaginary thing to common people.

In our scriptures, Big Bang had been discussed but in separate way.
At the starting of kalpa, every thing is in small point. Then started expansion which they called it Sankalpa.
There is also vikalpa which is reverted state to point again.

I never denied that our past wasn't scientific. But is this necessary that we repeat their mistakes also?
For them, they imagined a theory an Almighty, we should examine the facts.
Whatever, but if knowledge was available to everyone, I would again have questioned it.
I could be world's only atheist urf. Charvak.
:biggrin2:
If today God itself gets appear to me to prove his existence, I will even interrogate him. :biggrin2:
This is my habit.
Well, being a Charvak, I'm free from one malfunction in religious people. Fear of ghosts .

If you know, I've done photography of stars sitting on grave in shamshan ghat alone at 2:00 AM.
I've become hero of my colony after that.

I don't want to go into quantum world. That world fucked my mind more than porn in my teenage days.

Well, I'm perfect in science. Specially physics. Ask anything to me if you want.

I assure you this thing will leave you like child in forest. Left alone, you will have only you nothing else to speak.

How, if you know, people may be thumping chest we are hardcore Hindu, Muslims, Jewish, Christians :blah::blah:
But this world runs on sense.
You will have to work in your office instead of giving spiritual lessons.
You are littile polite, Mad Indian was almost got mad after theism - atheism.
Look bro, this world of this lord that lady is nothing other than a delusion created due to misunderstanding of people.
Your parents believed grandparents. You believed your parents.
But I didn't. Tomorrow, your children and grandchildren may won't.

I won't speak much because in my personal opinion religious people are crazy (at least my family is :biggrin2, but please think over it again.

Fuck the science. It is enemy of mine.

Your and country's electronic devices, vehicles, satellite signals, space approaches and all inventions are based on science.
All defense equipments are made from applications of science. Humans are different than animals due to science.
And you're calling it your enemy?
Bro, stick to religion till it makes sense.
If want to know about God, let's search him instead of worshipping here. Mankind has a great potential specially India and it shouldn't be hindered by such superstitions. Those Indian Scientists who believe in God also remain in their limits.

Just like Science is lame without religion, religion is blind without science
If you leave all religious morals, your civilization will become lame with lack of civil morals and may run inefficient but if you leave science and adopt religion only, you will end like dinosaurs.
I put all morals in my life with clean mind and put aside rest of religion.
For me, if you take morals in the name of religion means you are actually not moral and scared of anger or in greed of kindness of that so called Almighty.
I hope you will think over my advice.

 

[Ancient Indian]

I never denied that our past wasn't scientific. But is this necessary that we repeat their mistakes also?
For them, they imagined a theory an Almighty, we should examine the facts.
Whatever, but if knowledge was available to everyone, I would again have questioned it.
I could be world's only atheist urf. Charvak.
:biggrin2:
If today God itself gets appear to me to prove his existence, I will even interrogate him. :biggrin2:
This is my habit.
Well, being a Charvak, I'm free from one malfunction in religious people. Fear of ghosts .

Charvaks are not scientists. They are leftist scum in ancient days.
Sankyans are more like scientists than religious. They wrote all these books. They also don't give much credit to god.

If you know, I've done photography of stars sitting on grave in shamshan ghat alone at 2:00 AM.
I've become hero of my colony after that.

I drink shit load of vodka on graves. Lets not go into these things. I am not superstitious.

Well, I'm perfect in science. Specially physics. Ask anything to me if you want.

I am not saying I am poor at Physics. I am modest when it comes to thinking.
Ok I need to clear some fog here.
When I first learnt photo-electric effect. I was so hyped by the phenomena that I kept imagining that thing for whole day. It kind of messed with my thought process making imagining more about many things. That's why I am saying I hate science.
It complicated my thinking and all processes.

How, if you know, people may be thumping chest we are hardcore Hindu, Muslims, Jewish, Christians :blah::blah:
But this world runs on sense.

I gree with you on this.

You will have to work in your office instead of giving spiritual lessons.
You are littile polite, Mad Indian was almost got mad after theism - atheism.

I just troll most times. The only thing I do genuine is RSS defending .

Look bro, this world of this lord that lady is nothing other than a delusion created due to misunderstanding of people.
Your parents believed grandparents. You believed your parents.
But I didn't. Tomorrow, your children and grandchildren may won't.

Delusion it may be. But it is what let me sleep at night peacefully. Some how these things nullify my stress levels.
That is it. Nothing more than that.

I won't speak much because in my personal opinion religious people are crazy (at least my family is :biggrin2, but please think over it again.

Your and country's electronic devices, vehicles, satellite signals, space approaches and all inventions are based on science.
All defense equipments are made from applications of science. Humans are different than animals due to science.
And you're calling it your enemy?
Bro, stick to religion till it makes sense.
If want to know about God, let's search him instead of worshipping here. Mankind has a great potential specially India and it shouldn't be hindered by such superstitions. Those Indian Scientists who believe in God also remain in their limits.

Just like Science is lame without religion, religion is blind without science
If you leave all religious morals, your civilization will become lame with lack of civil morals and may run inefficient but if you leave science and adopt religion only, you will end like dinosaurs.
I put all morals in my life with clean mind and put aside rest of religion.
For me, if you take morals in the name of religion means you are actually not moral and scared of anger or in greed of kindness of that so called Almighty.
I hope you will think over my advice.

Here I am not cursing science like some kind of Hebrew people.

I am cursing it just as a man curses his wife all time and go to sleep with her at night.
Science is like dearest wife for me. I hate love it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@Ancient Indian Thanks bro.
I don't know much about Sankyans like Charvaks.So, I won't categorize.
It's me and I'm happy being me only.

 

[Victor3]

well....for me the bible and other books like this are just folk psychology ....just some incomplete theories about specific of human beings ..... and they reprezent just a explanation of reality by just a number of people...religion has been based basically on fear and punishment being imposed by some regimes being at power at the moment in some countryes ..... i believe that the answers at big questions can be give only by some smart people who make all very scientific ....you need strong proofs for you claims ....
pseudo science look to me as the invention of normal people being in search for answers.....was like science but not as rigurous and smart thinking as science...
obviously such a person who make pseudo science has the right to live and have a own life as long as doesnt threat anyone's life and respect the rules of a society ....
personally in the past maybe i was very strictly and skeptists about such people but today i try to be peacefully :biggrin2:

 

[Victor3]

question: can be a weapon maked from a cyclotron?

 

[spikey360]

Who cares, what this guy thinks? He is a self hating Pio. A convert of sorts.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Can you tell me how they became pseudo science?
Our people are making calendars with good predictions for more than few thousand years.

Some how they are able to predict rains and droughts. We never give thought to the process behind it.

Dont misunderstand genuine science or rational calculations and observations with irrational things and pseudo scince. Vedic mathamatics, calenders, ayurveda all are by and large scientific and genuine..scientific community acknowledge it. So its not anything against things which are ancient, othewise all those things would not have been acknowledged as genuine. Astrology on the other hand is widely studied and been proven to be a pseudo science.so i would go with the opinion of the majority scientific community.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_and_science
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_astro_sci_pseudo.htm

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

I never denied that our past wasn't scientific. But is this necessary that we repeat their mistakes also?
For them, they imagined a theory an Almighty, we should examine the facts.
Whatever, but if knowledge was available to everyone, I would again have questioned it.
I could be world's only atheist urf. Charvak.
:biggrin2:
If today God itself gets appear to me to prove his existence, I will even interrogate him. :biggrin2:
This is my habit.
Well, being a Charvak, I'm free from one malfunction in religious people. Fear of ghosts .

If you know, I've done photography of stars sitting on grave in shamshan ghat alone at 2:00 AM.
I've become hero of my colony after that.

more or less same mentality here as well.

Well, I'm perfect in science. Specially physics. Ask anything to me if you want.

what came first, energy or matter ?

How, if you know, people may be thumping chest we are hardcore Hindu, Muslims, Jewish, Christians :blah::blah:
But this world runs on sense.
You will have to work in your office instead of giving spiritual lessons.
You are littile polite, Mad Indian was almost got mad after theism - atheism.
Look bro, this world of this lord that lady is nothing other than a delusion created due to misunderstanding of people.
Your parents believed grandparents. You believed your parents.
But I didn't. Tomorrow, your children and grandchildren may won't.

I won't speak much because in my personal opinion religious people are crazy (at least my family is :biggrin2, but please think over it again.

Your and country's electronic devices, vehicles, satellite signals, space approaches and all inventions are based on science.
All defense equipments are made from applications of science. Humans are different than animals due to science.
And you're calling it your enemy?
Bro, stick to religion till it makes sense.
If want to know about God, let's search him instead of worshipping here. Mankind has a great potential specially India and it shouldn't be hindered by such superstitions. Those Indian Scientists who believe in God also remain in their limits.

Just like Science is lame without religion, religion is blind without science
If you leave all religious morals, your civilization will become lame with lack of civil morals and may run inefficient but if you leave science and adopt religion only, you will end like dinosaurs.
I put all morals in my life with clean mind and put aside rest of religion.
For me, if you take morals in the name of religion means you are actually not moral and scared of anger or in greed of kindness of that so called Almighty.
I hope you will think over my advice.

One again, i too belive in ethics and morals only, and I think religious morals are outdated..despite the desperate attempts to give it a modern interpretation, religious morals still look ugly on several places. I too share your thought that if at all a god exists then he will reward a moral and honest atheist rather than a blind believer. A good rationlaist or atheist will reach heaven/moksha if at all there is any.


@saty what's your thoughts?

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Dont misunderstand genuine science or rational calculations and observations with irrational things and pseudo scince. Vedic mathamatics, calenders, ayurveda all are by and large scientific and genuine..scientific community acknowledge it. So its not anything against things which are ancient, othewise all those things would not have been acknowledged as genuine. Astrology on the other hand is widely studied and been proven to be a pseudo science.so i would go with the opinion of the majority scientific community.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_and_science
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_astro_sci_pseudo.htm

its a popular tripe (not attributing to you); falls mouth-on-floor on the face of counter-studies and researches (understandably by those not fearful of the associated 'stigma'); unless ofcourse you meant about popular astrology (the mercenary kind, the 'daily horoscope' kind)....there I would nod my head up-and-down in sync with you in full range of motion.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

its a popular tripe (not attributing to you); falls mouth-on-floor on the face of counter-studies and researches (understandably by those not fearful of the associated 'stigma'); unless ofcourse you meant about popular astrology (the mercenary kind, the 'daily horoscope' kind)....there I would nod my head up-and-down in sync with you in full range of motion.

i have read rationlaist books about astrology( every type of astrology ), i ahve read Internet articles also, then i have seen the stand of scientific community also..so i am pretty much sure that astrology is a irrational thing. Pseudo science is very difficult to detect, it takes experts and experiments and observations to disprove it. Proponents of the pseudo science will present it as if it's some kind of science and maths etc. I in the past thought raikey is a genuine treatment, i thought homeopathy is scientific(until today),
As for those who are reserching it, they can continue to do it, there is no harm in checking something out.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

i have read rationlaist books about astrology( every type of astrology ), i ahve read Internet articles also, then i have seen the stand of scientific community also..so i am pretty much sure that astrology is a irrational thing. Pseudo science is very difficult to detect, it takes experts and experiments and observations to disprove it. Proponents of the pseudo science will present it as if it's some kind of science and maths etc. I in the past thought raikey is a genuine treatment, i thought homeopathy is scientific(until today),
As for those who are reserching it, they can continue to do it, there is no harm in checking something out.

much of the scientific community itself holds some mighty superstitious and irrational stances, though fortunately this is more-or-less ever-changing within a span of some years to decades, like a snake shedding its older skin; hence I don't give much credence to any and everything coming out of it other than checking their views and some studies. having coming from where you stand today, I today have totally antagonistic views and experiences of some things fashionably and hurriedly labelled as 'pseudo'. am pretty sure that quite a few of that another fundamentalistic tribe, of 'empiricism/scientism' would deem themselves mentally insane and delusional if they were to encounter something which they earlier vehemently denied and now could not explain it in any other 'familiar' terms, rather than accept it.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Really? Have you heard about Axioms? Can Science define a Straight Line? Can Science prove axioms about Parallel Lines?

Newton's second law itself is not provable, it is an Axiom (It basically defines mass and force in terms of one another). In fact the classical mechanics is now completely broken.

Science as we know it has got several limitations, pseudo-scientific discussions are important in their own way as long as such discussions do not drown the Scientific discussions and many institutions of advanced learning tolerate such discussions because those discussions have been found to encourage discussions amongst the audience.

Inventors, unlike Scientists need to strongly believe in their ideas some of the ideas sounded extremely bizarre and impossible to the best minds, before those were turned into reality by the people who "believed".

may I add the 'non-replicable in lab' supernovae and black holes et al, and the impossibility of moon-travel as expressed like a contemptuous gospel by a big-shot in the semiconductor-tech in his hey days, among many other things to the repo too

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Although you have strong maths, I will ask you a question.

In maths you define axioms and then rest of the arguments are logical and follow from the axioms unless some contradiction is found and axiom revised. So the arguments have a logical consistency once you fix the axioms. Also once defined, axioms let you test future hypothesis. For eg. Once you define law of gravity you can use it to find escape velocity etc.

What is the similar counterpart in astrology?



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I can't recall the exact terms for them, but there are more than 3 major ones IIRC in Vedic astrology, and a multiple smaller ones (based on the dasha-systems, drekkanas/vargas, etc.). principles from which one could determine so-and-so outcome/situation/behaviour and nothing else (one of them is I think the principle of limitation, but that's speaking broadly). you might know them I guess. am not a student so don't know well. at BVB Delhi they do rigorous (case-)studies on esp. this aspect using a lot of compiled data (through the method of 'observation, recording, study and replication/reapplication') AFAIK.