Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by bennedose, Aug 24, 2013.
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When I was reading about Afghanistan and its ethnic equation, I was astonished to find the contempt the Pashtuns felt for the Hazaras
The rationale for this distaste was that they were Shias and looked like Chinese.
The funny thing is that if you look at the "physiognomy" of some Muslims from the subcontinent and by that I mean even some here in south India you find that a few have a hint of the mongoloid features left over from what I like to call (in jest) Gengis Khan genes.
More seriously the area of cenral Asia including Afghanistan were all part of history going back many thousand years and there has been a definite admixture of genes in that area. The same is true of the admixture of Indian genes (ASI and ANI genes) as discussed on another thread on this forum.
I put in several months of intense study with the intention of writing a book on language spread in India - but that project has been set aside for the time being. But the reading revealed an interesting fact to me. European colonizers who came to India (and Afghanistan) after the industrial revolution came with a sense of superiority of their "race". At that time (in the 1800s) their main goal was to demonstrate their own superiority over the Semitic races (Jews). They had discovered Jewish history in Iran and Iraq that made them feel inferior and were searching for history when they "discovered" Sanskrit and the "Indo-European" link. They then used facial skull similarities to classify Afghans, Punjabis and North Indians in general as "their own race" - i,e Caucasian. It was the "Bengalee" who caused the British most trouble - the politically active people who were eventually put down by the co-option of the "martial races" of the Northwest.
So a sort of mutual admiration developed between the "hardy martial mussalmaan" of the northwest and the Brits - with the "martial" mussalmaans seeing themselves as tall and fair complexioned red meat and wheat eaters (like the British) and the Brits writing eulogies like "You are a better man than I Gunga Din"
Pashtuns and Pakjabis have bought and swallowed these 19th and early 20th century racist descriptions of "Aryan" and non Aryan wholesale. The same attitudes can be seen on Pathan forums on the internet.That would explain Pashtun contempt for "Chinese" looks and our own dear Farhaan's views of race. Pakis have along way to go before reaching even chimpanzee level of awareness and intelligence.
If you look a old illustrations of Babar (the Mughal) - he had the unmistakable 'epicanthic fold" eyes indicating Mongoloid facial features.
For example this image
Babar essentially represented Persian culture brought to India from Central Asia.. While the courts spoke Persian, the soldiers spoke a bastardized mix of Persian and local Hindustani dialects creating a language called Urdu. The British, in 1837 replaced Persian with Urdu as the court language. While this disempowered some of the Persian speaking elite, it created a conflict for jobs between Hindus who wrote Urdu in Devanagari and Muslims who wrote it in Persian script. The British did not accept Devanagari script for official purposes and this gave users of the Persian script a natural advantage.
Urdu, the official language of Pakistan is simply the language of the courtiers, servants and underlings of Mughal India pretending that they were rulers. The rulers were long since deposed and their language, Persian, erased from India except what survived as Urdu.
I read somewhere that Babri Masjid was a shia mosque. Not sure about that, but Babar's son Humayun certainly became Shia. The Shia/Sunni divide probably goes all the way back to Arab-Persian rivalry and Persia accepted Arab dominance (and teh Arab religion, Islam) with a twist - becoming Shia. It just occurred to me that I must look up the etymology of the name "shia". I wonder if it is derived from the ancient Persian name for Persia going back to the time of Darius the great, a Zoroastrian king who wrote (in the Behistun monument) in the Old Persian language which is very similar to Sanskrit)
"Adam Daravayus" (Like Sanskrit "Aham Daravayus" - I am Darius"),
"kshayatiya kshayati" (sansk: Kshatriya of Kshatriyas - king of kings)
"Persyiayi" (of Persia)
I wonder if "shia" is derived from the old name for Persia - Per-siya, with the followers of the shia branch being persians.
There are other hints, currently unprovable. The old Hindu description of God as being within oneself was a widespread belief all the way up to Iran. The Behistun monument itself is in a place called 'Behistun" whose ancient name was "baga-stana" - with "baga" meaning "God" as in Bhagwan and "stana" meaning place. So one word for God being within oneself could possible be "khuda" derived from the old Zoroastrian word "kvadata" (self defined/lord/ruler)
Note that until Arab Wahhabi (Saud family) influences with oil money started creeping in it was always Khuda hafiz. Now gradually being converted to Allah hafiz.
I like hanging out with our NE folks. They're so jovial.
OT: The title gave me a sad impression that this is regarding low internal morale of IA and reducing attraction in youth, because of the GoI's lamb policies.
Well, this is something else
why you mention me everywhere?And mark me racist?
Pakistani and indians are different.this is a fact.you just cant term me racist only by posting the facts
but still if you people think for using dalit words for south indians.i am racist.than i apologize because i strickly meant only one member.and my post was only for him
Farhan you are not just a racist. You are an ignorant racist. You know bugger all about South India because your little pipsqueak ragged and torn country is a zero and only the most stupid people left India and went to Pakistan, leaving behind 80% of the resources and land and 100% of the reputation and history.
Pakis spend all their lives trying to feel good about that by saying 'We are differnt from Indians". Of course Pakis are different. Indians did not choose to live in a strip of land with mountains to the North, desert to the west and a hostile huge and older, more populous and longer surviving neighbour to the east.
Look at this image taken at night. Pakistan's population is all along the Indus, Just one curly-wurly line of lights along the river. Darkness to the west and darkness all along your Islamic neighbours who raped your ancestors and who you mow worship as your heros. No wonder your land is like theirs. India glows like a jewel, Every part is friendly for people to live. Suck that up - you guys are losers who ran away scared of the Hindu you hate and now have to take comfort in a small strip of land and pretend all is well. Who cares. I come here only to mock you and laugh at your pathetic little abomi-nation
The NE people are without guile.
They are indeed good people to know.
You are the best thing that happened to this forum.
Your comments remind us of the comic relief given during tense scenes in Hindi films by Mukri!
I leave it to a better expert on Pakistan - @bennedose - educate you!
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