NDAA takes away more freedom from usa citizens

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  1. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Suffice it to say i hope it passes :namaste:
     
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    today americans will be annoyed if un peacekeepers march into LA, tomorrow they will thank them
     
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    This pretty much kills the Sixth Amendment. The War on terror has already moved the US out of Secular territory and for all purposes branded it a Christian nation. Slowly, the very values on which this nation was built is being chopped off one by one. Does not matter if it is Democrats or Republicans in Washington, there are no libertarians in this country for sure. And if you think about it, the founding fathers were all that and wrote the constitution with that in mind.
     
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    Well we can see that from outside but the american citizens cant because they believe every word that is spoken in the mainstream media and the same media is in the pockets of corporations or are one themselves.

    The founding fathers would be rolling in there graves right now.
     
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    On the other hand:

    Lawmakers Blast Administration For Calling Fort Hood Massacre 'Workplace Violence' | Fox News

    Oops, that was Fox News. Never mind.

    Seriously, the Obama administration denies the use of term islamic terrorism and TSA is undressing old white ladies at airports. At the same time it wants the power to arrest enemy combatants who are US citizens. The number of people in that category? One, maybe two in recent history. But with NDAA in place, the number could increase.

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    Yeah, well those founding fathers were contemporaries and from the same country as those rotters who did bad stuff to India.
     
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    i believe you mean they are contempt of the GB empire, and a good history common between US and India, right? both ruled by and finally get rid of. Despite all the legacies such as democracy, no one really yearn for it...
     
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    Barack and Hillary would like it today, I believe. They want the USA subordinate to the UN; that is their plan.
     
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    Really, I meant that the concern about the founding fathers of the USA seems incredible coming from anti-US people on DFI.
     
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    What makes you say that ?

    what i have read about the founding fathers i have liked and what usa today is far different from what the founding fathers envisioned. maybe im talking crap because im not a yank so you can correct me since you are one.
     
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    There we agree.

    The words of Ben Franklin, et al., belong to everyone.
     
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    What i write on this forum regarding usa is solely towards the usa govt and its not aimed towards the avg yank.

    I know the avg yank is a decent person, my relatives stay in usa and there american friends have stayed in my house when they visited India.
     
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    Yeah, I should remember that.
     
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    Its amazing what shows up in DFI......

    The bill will never become law. The military in the US stays in the barracks.
    The Police and FBI are responsible for internal security.

    You will never find the US Military policing its civilian citizens in any state, in any corner of the USA, from Alaska to Key West.
    Like India, you will always have politicians who overreact by trying to pass useless bills. That doesnt mean it will ever become law.

    BTW: In case you forgot - Its India that currently uses the Military to keep the peace within the country - not the US, at least not yet.
     
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    The issue is complicated.

    It was established by the Supreme Court two years after the hanging of Mary Suratt, a Lincoln assassination conspirator, that civilians could not be tried by the military. Will NDAA undo that precedent?
     
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    Exceptions include using federalized National Guard troops to integrate schools.
     
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    What's so great about the founding fathers anyway? Most were just aristocratic, power-hungry hypocrites. Many were slave-owners too (including Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the highly ironic words 'All men are created equal').

    Ben Franklin and George Washington both have my respect, but the others are over-hyped and were nowhere as majestic as history books portray them to be.
     
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    but that was in the sixties and those troops were there to protect a handful of black students from being lynced by a white mob.
    to make matters worse, the local police couldnt be trusted to do their jobs impartially......so it was truly an exceptional case and probably a rare case of right use of the military in protecting civilians.

    I would argue that the Vietnam war era Kent State incident is one of the few examples of military overeach.
     
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