Naval LCA Tejas

[Defcon 1]

Uhh, isnt that obvious? 45 Mig29K and 45 NLCA = 90 fighters distributed among 3 Carriers.

CATOBAR IAC 2 will alone carry about 60 fighters.

 

[rohit b3]

CATOBAR IAC 2 will alone carry about 60 fighters.

Nope, a 50-60 Aircrafts in total, including upto 30-35 fighters, 2 AEWCs, around 4-5 UAVs and 15-20 Helicopters.

 

[kstriya]

New TEJAS Will Equip INS Vishal Super Carrier And INS Vikrant Carrier










by Arthur Dominic Villasanta




India's indigenous HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will serve aboard the nuclear powered super carrier, INS Vishal (currently under development), but will first see active service on the INS Vikrant now being fitted out and due to join the Indian Navy in December 2018.




The naval version of Tejas is the only fixed wing combat aircraft confirmed as part of both carriers' combat air groups. Its key role will likely be as an attack aircraft launching precision guided missiles and bombs at enemy warships or ground targets.




Two Tejas naval prototypes successfully conducted test flights at the "Shore Based Test Facility" (a full-scale model of an aircraft carrier deck) in Goa.




The Ministry of Defense recently approved the acquisition of 40 Tejas' for the IN and 83 for the Indian Air Force.




Tejas is a single-seat, single-jet engine, multi-role light fighter designed by HAL's Aeronautical Development Agency for the IAF and the IN. Stealth features have been designed into Tejas, which can carry up to 4,000 kg of bombs and missiles and is armed with one GSh-23 twin-barreled auto cannon.




The air group on the INS Vishal will consist of up to 55 aircraft: 35 fixed-wing combat aircraft and 20 helicopters. The fixed wings will be launched using a catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft launch system with the new electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) technology.




The technology is from U.S. defense contractor, General Atomics, which also produces the MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) and is producing a version of an electromagnetic rail gun for the U.S. Navy.




The role of aerial superiority fighter for the INS Vishal is up for grabs but what is certain is it won't include the Mikoyan MiG-29K multi-role fighter to be deployed aboard the INS Vikrant.




Leading contenders for this key role on the INS Vishal include France's Dassault Rafale, a naval version of which (the Dassault Rafale M) already serves aboard the French aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle, as part of French Naval Aviation (Aéronavale).




The Indian Cabinet last September approved a deal to buy 36 Rafale fourth-generation, multi-role jets from Dassault Aviation as part of the air force's ongoing force modernization program. IAF Rafales will be able to carry nuclear bombs.




The Rafales give India a weapon potent enough to deal with Pakistan's U.S.-made General Dynamics F-16 air superiority fighter jets and the PAC JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters produced jointly by Pakistan and China.




The United States' fifth generation stealth fighter, the Lockheed Martin's F-35c Lightning II and the combat proven McDonnell Douglas F/A 18 Hornet that serves aboard all of the U.S. navy's 10 Nimitz-class supercarriers are also in contention for the role of air superiority fighter aboard the INS Vishal.




The INS Vikrant will carry 15 MiG-29Ks and 15 Tejas'. There will also be 10 rotary wings aboard this carrier, including the Kamov Ka-31 airborne early warning and control helicopters; the indigenous HAL Dhruv utility helicopter and the British-built Westland WS-61 Sea King transport utility helicopters.

 

[Filtercoffee]

New TEJAS Will Equip INS Vishal Super Carrier And INS Vikrant Carrier










by Arthur Dominic Villasanta




India's indigenous HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will serve aboard the nuclear powered super carrier, INS Vishal (currently under development), but will first see active service on the INS Vikrant now being fitted out and due to join the Indian Navy in December 2018.




The naval version of Tejas is the only fixed wing combat aircraft confirmed as part of both carriers' combat air groups. Its key role will likely be as an attack aircraft launching precision guided missiles and bombs at enemy warships or ground targets.




Two Tejas naval prototypes successfully conducted test flights at the "Shore Based Test Facility" (a full-scale model of an aircraft carrier deck) in Goa.




The Ministry of Defense recently approved the acquisition of 40 Tejas' for the IN and 83 for the Indian Air Force.




Tejas is a single-seat, single-jet engine, multi-role light fighter designed by HAL's Aeronautical Development Agency for the IAF and the IN. Stealth features have been designed into Tejas, which can carry up to 4,000 kg of bombs and missiles and is armed with one GSh-23 twin-barreled auto cannon.




The air group on the INS Vishal will consist of up to 55 aircraft: 35 fixed-wing combat aircraft and 20 helicopters. The fixed wings will be launched using a catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft launch system with the new electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) technology.




The technology is from U.S. defense contractor, General Atomics, which also produces the MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) and is producing a version of an electromagnetic rail gun for the U.S. Navy.




The role of aerial superiority fighter for the INS Vishal is up for grabs but what is certain is it won't include the Mikoyan MiG-29K multi-role fighter to be deployed aboard the INS Vikrant.




Leading contenders for this key role on the INS Vishal include France's Dassault Rafale, a naval version of which (the Dassault Rafale M) already serves aboard the French aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle, as part of French Naval Aviation (Aéronavale).




The Indian Cabinet last September approved a deal to buy 36 Rafale fourth-generation, multi-role jets from Dassault Aviation as part of the air force's ongoing force modernization program. IAF Rafales will be able to carry nuclear bombs.




The Rafales give India a weapon potent enough to deal with Pakistan's U.S.-made General Dynamics F-16 air superiority fighter jets and the PAC JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters produced jointly by Pakistan and China.




The United States' fifth generation stealth fighter, the Lockheed Martin's F-35c Lightning II and the combat proven McDonnell Douglas F/A 18 Hornet that serves aboard all of the U.S. navy's 10 Nimitz-class supercarriers are also in contention for the role of air superiority fighter aboard the INS Vishal.




The INS Vikrant will carry 15 MiG-29Ks and 15 Tejas'. There will also be 10 rotary wings aboard this carrier, including the Kamov Ka-31 airborne early warning and control helicopters; the indigenous HAL Dhruv utility helicopter and the British-built Westland WS-61 Sea King transport utility helicopters.

Even the MIG 29k fighters can be used on CATOBAR carriers, only nose assembly can be configured to add a nose hook that's all. I hope the Navy considers pilot hard work.

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[Kunal Biswas]

By the time Vishal get into service, NLCA MK2 will be waiting for it or better ..

Keep in mind the time of induction is 2030.

 

[Filtercoffee]

By the time Vishal get into service, NLCA MK2 will be waiting for it or better ..

Keep in mind the time of induction is 2030.

All aircraft can be converted to stealth, mind you UAC has only 3 months due to their high turn around rate to get a mig 29 k into stealth. AMCA will have first flight in 27, so the wait will occur, as an interim aircraft and due to it leading flight characteristics, mig 29 k is much better then a Rafale (backing included). Also pilots prefer their original aircraft over a mixed matched choice. Please understand due to selection.

 

[IndianHawk]

By the time Vishal get into service, NLCA MK2 will be waiting for it or better ..

Keep in mind the time of induction is 2030.

Vishal is going nuclear as per recent reports. It's also going to get EMALS.
So induction might advance to 2035.
N- Amca seems logical possibility by then.

 

[republic_roi97]

Vishal is going nuclear as per recent reports. It's also going to get EMALS.
So induction might advance to 2035.
N- Amca seems logical possibility by then.

I too think so, AMCA, if it gets delayed by 2-4 years or so, would still most certainly be available much earlier than 2034, and also, NLCA would by then, be a matured fighter which might get modified to serve a CATOBAR role, but that seems unlikely, seeing that N-AMCA would be the most logical choice by then.

 

[IndianHawk]

I too think so, AMCA, if it gets delayed by 2-4 years or so, would still most certainly be available much earlier than 2034, and also, NLCA would by then, be a matured fighter which might get modified to serve a CATOBAR role, but that seems unlikely, seeing that N-AMCA would be the most logical choice by then.

It's not just carriers navy need to plan about.
By 2030s we'll be upgrading and militarising most of islands in the Indian ocean . From Seychelles to Andamans .
We will need jets for these too.
NLCA will go a long way in that regard .
It can man most islands at much lower costs.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their are other thread we can debate on which aircrafts is better than what, Keep this thread specifically till NLCA development and news ..

All aircraft can be converted to stealth, mind you UAC has only 3 months due to their high turn around rate to get a mig 29 k into stealth. AMCA will have first flight in 27, so the wait will occur, as an interim aircraft and due to it leading flight characteristics, mig 29 k is much better then a Rafale (backing included). Also pilots prefer their original aircraft over a mixed matched choice. Please understand due to selection.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Their are other thread we can debate on which aircrafts is better than what, Keep this thread specifically till NLCA development and news ..

Done Kunal sir, that's a good opinion though.

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[Filtercoffee]

Sorry about the typo error in the last post.

 

[Rahul Singh]

NLCA undergoing Hot Refueling.

 

[mavles ihctep]

Manu Pubby
@manupubby_ET

In present form, the LCA Navy does not meet thrust and weight ratio requirement. Cannot take off with full weapon load - Adm Lanba
11:11 PM - 1 Dec 2016

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Manu Pubby
@manupubby_ET

In present form, the LCA Navy does not meet thrust and weight ratio requirement. Cannot take off with full weapon load - Adm Lanba
11:11 PM - 1 Dec 2016

Mainly because of hevy landing gears. It is proposed to be bought down to Airforce level which is 600 KG.

 

[BON PLAN]

Mainly because of hevy landing gears. It is proposed to be bought down to Airforce level which is 600 KG.

In fact.
On the pic below, they seemed bigger than those of the Rafale M, a heavier plane.

 

[Adioz]

Navy chief Sunil Lanba says Tejas LCA ( naval ) not up to mark yet, search on for another fighter jet

Indian Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba here today said the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is “not up to the mark”, due to which they are searching another fighter aircraft for carrier operations within the next five years. Lanba said the navy will seek a fighter aircraft from elsewhere, while it is still encouraging India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to develop the Naval LCA. “The MiG-29K will operate from the Vikrant (first Indian built aircraft carrier). But we also need an alternate aircraft now. We are looking for it, as the LCA is not up to the mark yet. In the present form, the LCA cannot take off with its full weapon load,” said the Navy chief, adding that within the next five years a new fighter aircraft will be needed for carrier operations. In another major development, Lanba revealed that a nuclear submarine of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy was deployed and did a port call at Karachi. “There has been no intrusion by Chinese vessels in Indian territorial waters in Andaman and Nicobar Islands. But we have our eyes on them (Chinese Navy),” said Lanba. Meanwhile, the Navy chief said the force is planning to acquire autonomous sub-surface assets and ship-based Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs). On the Scorpene submarine leak, Lanba said India will setup a joint group with France. “We will see if have to make changes on the platforms. But the leaked data dates to the pre-2010 period. It does not have details on the armament. There is no critical leak,” he said, adding additional submarines are also being looked at.

Wait a minute. I thought CNS meant this new aircraft search to be for a CATOBAR capable fighter for the INS Vishaal. If not, then this means the Navy is planning to operate 4 different fighters??????
Mig-29K
Naval LCA
New aircraft in the next 5 years
CATOBAR aircraft for INS Vishaal

Tell me I am hallucinating. Please.

BTW, I read somewhere that the Chinese inform our diplomatic mission in Beijing whenever a PLAN submarine is about to enter the Indian ocean. Is this true? If this is true, is this a standard diplomatic procedure followed by other Navies as well? Or is this a special arrangement?

 

[swap]

Clearly, naval chief has to understand (or drummed it into him) that no aircraft is up to the mark in its first iteration.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Clearly, naval chief has to understand (or drummed it into him) that no aircraft is up to the mark in its first iteration.

Clearly the enemy will not be so undestanding and considerate.

 

[Flame Thrower]

Manu Pubby
@manupubby_ET

In present form, the LCA Navy does not meet thrust and weight ratio requirement. Cannot take off with full weapon load - Adm Lanba
11:11 PM - 1 Dec 2016

C'mon guys, Naval LCA was a research project to study Naval aircrafts...

Before first flight of NLCA, they expected that it would reach only 10 deg AoA at the takeoff from ski jump, but performed above the expectations by reaching 16 deg...

NLCA mk2 was supposed to become backbone of Navy from 2030(expected during the initial phases of NLCA program. Can someone please give insights on NLCA mk2)

No worries, our bird is doing fine...