Naval Artillery And Future

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I'm not sure if you are talking about the system as a whole or just the barell assembly.

If its the first, then you must realise that a Naval vessel has different requirements for its Guns. Unlike a land based artillery system, the Naval guns have nearly automated loading operations. Furthermore, these guns alse need to be atleast 2 axis stabilised to negate the action of waves on the Ship.

You can see the operarion of a naval gun and make out the difference between its land counterparts.



Ps, its a very old design.
Those are the sixteen inch guns on the Missouri, if I'm not mistaken.
 

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Those are the sixteen inch guns on the Missouri, if I'm not mistaken.
I doubt it.

The USN fleet used to stow their munitions and charges in vertical circular order, as in the Coalition Artillery system diagram shown above.
The British used the horizontal stowage, if I recollect correctly.

My guess, this is a HMS battleship, maybe a heavy cruiser too.
 

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I doubt it.

The USN fleet used to stow their munitions and charges in vertical circular order, as in the Coalition Artillery system diagram shown above.
The British used the horizontal stowage, if I recollect correctly.

My guess, this is a HMS battleship, maybe a heavy cruiser too.
Can be certain after seeing the Iowa film? I am not sure.
 

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I'm not sure if you are talking about the system as a whole or just the barell assembly.

If its the first, then you must realise that a Naval vessel has different requirements for its Guns. Unlike a land based artillery system, the Naval guns have nearly automated loading operations. Furthermore, these guns alse need to be atleast 2 axis stabilised to negate the action of waves on the Ship.

You can see the operarion of a naval gun and make out the difference between its land counterparts.



Ps, its a very old design.
In Guns of Navarone movie, they had similar kind of system.
 

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Can be certain after seeing the Iowa film? I am not sure.
I'm not certain what you meant, but I'll post about the gif image and the gun displayed above anyway for clarification.

This image was selected as-picture of the day-on Wikimedia Commons for-9 May 2011.

It was captioned as follows:English:-An animated naval gun turret, based on a British 15 inch gun turret Mark 1. The figure represents a person 5' 8" high (172 cm). Note that a series of interlocking doors prohibits a flash from coming down from the gunhouse to the magazine.

Sources note: See for instance Hodges, P: "Big Gun: Battleship Main Armament 1860-1945", Brasseys, London, 1999

 

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In Guns of Navarone movie, they had similar kind of system.
I vaguely recall a History channel documentary where I first saw the huge multistorey muti-barrel Naval guns. They showed a cut-a-way mechanism of the guns. I believe it was the USS Misouri, but cant remember it now.
 

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In the WW2 the Italian 381 mm naval gun outgun as range every other naval gun (16 inch incluse). The 381 italian projectile has a very high speed muzzle and was heavy (880 kg)... the drawback was that the gun have a life of only 150 shots (against the normal 300 shots of the other guns), but need lesser of 24 hours for change the barrels (for the other guns need 1-3 weeks).
There was also other pros and cons: at short range was lethal with his high speed and cinetic energy for almost all armor of the other battleships (can piercing easy), but at medium and long range the high speed/energy gave a flat trajectory and the projectile struck almost always the sides of ships and not the bridge more vulnerable to shots more curved (also the dispersion of shot was alot more).

The Italian battleships Littorio class was also the first (and unique) with full automatic charge of ammo (the turrets can shot unmanned), the full automatic was more safety (all the ammo and the charge was in deep heavy armored deposit inside the ship), but the rate of fire was more slow of other battleships.

a 3D animation of automatic loader of Littorio class
 
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US Navy Announces Sea Trials for Electromagnetic Railgun
By David Szondy
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April 20, 2014



Watching old war movies, we expect firing a navy gun to be accompanied by a deafening bang and a dramatic cloud of burnt powder. This being the 21st century, the US Navy has other ideas as it prepares to install and test a prototype electromagnetic railgun on a Spearhead-class joint high speed vessel (JHSV) in 2016 as part of a program to develop the naval artillery of the future.

Modern missiles are miracles of range, accuracy and lethality, but they are also incredibly complex and expensive with a single shot costing millions of dollars. Old-fashioned projectile weapons are cheaper, but also much less effective. They have shorter ranges, less accuracy, and still need dangerous-to-handle propellants to fire them. According to the US navy, what is needed is something with an effectiveness comparable to that of a missile, but with costs per round less than that of conventional naval artillery.

This is where the EM railgun comes in. It uses electromagnetic force to propel a warhead instead of a chemical propellant. The idea has been around since at least the 1920s and the principle has been suggested and even experimented with for every application from sidearms to levitating trains to moving asteroids, but it's only been in recent years that the principle has moved from proposition to practicality.



The EM railgun is basically an electric motor that's been folded out and laid flat. Like an electric motor, the railgun uses an alternating electromagnetic field to pull along an armature. In this case, the armature is a sliding metal conductor that holds a projectile and is held between two conductive rails. Instead of whizzing around in a circle as in a motor, the electromagnetic field shoots the armature along the length of the rails, building up to hypersonic speeds. When it reaches the end of the rail, the armature releases the projectile, which flies toward its target.

The stats for such a weapon are impressive the current prototypes built by companies such as General atomics and BAE Systems can fire an aerodynamic shell at speeds of Mach 7.5 (5,700 mph / 9,200 km/h), which can reach the horizon in 6 seconds and has much greater range than conventional guns, having a reach of 110 nautical miles (126 mi / 203 km). Furthermore, the projectile has so much kinetic energy that it doesn't need to carry high explosives to destroy its target.



One particular advantage of the EM railgun is that it costs orders of magnitudes less than conventional missile systems. This doesn't just keep the bean counters happy, it also makes the enemy unhappy because while they're lobbing missiles at a million dollars a round, the railgun is shooting back at only a few thousand dollars per round. That means a lot more firepower available to commanders, and thus more flexibility in how to respond to threats, with the Navy saying that railguns would be effective against against enemy warships, small boats, aircraft, missiles and land-based targets.

The 2016 test deployment will be the first sea trial of a railgun. It will use a JHSV vessel because its cargo space and topside are readily available for installing the gun, and since the JHSV is a non-combatant ship, a permanent weapon installation isn't required.



The prototype EM railgun is the result of testing and the development by the US Navy and private companies since 2005 at the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Dahlgren, Virginia, and the Naval Research Lab. Phase I of the program concentrated on developing a 32 megajoule muzzle energy proof-of-concept weapon and a 100-nautical mile projectile. Phase II, currently under way, concentrates on making the EM railgun fire at 10-rounds per minute and being able to handle the heat and stresses of rapid firing.

The plan is to design projectiles for the railgun that will be compatible with powder guns, so a future deployment will be easier and allow missiles to be saved for major threats. Based on the success of the tests, the Navy will eventually decide on which class of ships to deploy the EM railguns.

The video below shows a railgun in action.



US Navy announces sea trials for electromagnetic railgun
 
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The Marines Want Mini-Missiles That Hunt for Specific Radio Signals
Signals-intelligence collection and drones are coming together in new packages for forward-deployed troops.

In the 1984 film “Runaway,” an archvillain (played by Gene Simmons) uses bullets that bob and weave around obstacles to kill specific people. The U.S. Marines are looking for something similar: a cross between a drone and a missile that can pick up a specific radio frequency and then strike its source from above.

“We can bring those type of unmanned systems to where our reconnaissance units are forward, and they can launch their own capabilities, LOCUST-type capabilities” — the Office of Naval Research’s cannon-launched swarmbot program “or lethal munitions,” said Lt. Gen. Robert S. Walsh, who commands Commanding General, Marine Corps Combat Development Command is the deputy commandant for ,Combat Development and Integration said at the Unmanned Systems Defenseconference on Tuesday. “They can sense, locate different signals and then attack those capabilities in advance of our soldiers, keeping them out of harm’s way.”

Such munitions might be fired from the kind of unmanned underwater vehicles that Rear Adm. Tim Gallaudet, Navy oceanographer, has observed in testing off Hawaii. Gallaudet described an experiment in which a robot submarine surfaced and passed targeting information to a Puma UAV, allowing an over-the-horizon kill. “That was really fun to do,” he said.

The Marines have already begun deploying drones with signals intelligence and electronic surveillance payloads, sending them out with Marine expeditionary units as detailed in the Marine 2016 Aviation Plan.

“Right now, we have the capabilities to be able to [do direction finding] on different radio frequencies, being able to find that and then target that that via other means,” Walsh said.

The Marines have been testing a signals-intelligence payload called Spectral Bat on the RQ-21 Blackjack drone.

“The next shift is to go from detecting to engagement,” he said.

That means munitions that can home in on a signal. It’s a capability that the Marines have today, just not in the size Walsh wants.

“Now I would argue that the HARM I carry on my F-18 can do that,” he said, referring to the venerable air-to-ground missile that homes in anti-aircraft radar. “Why do I have to have these expensive HARM missiles that do that when we can have much smaller?”

Walsh said that the Marines could “certainly” obtain such weapons, generically called lethal aerial munitions systems, or LRAMs, within five years. Asked whether such loitering munitions might be ready in time to fight ISIS, he said it was just a matter of affixing lethal payloads to existing drones.

“We aren’t that far away. We certainly have the sensing capability. We have the attack capability. Now it’s a matter of marrying” the two, he said.http://www.defenseone.com/technolog...pecific-radio-signals/132717/?oref=d-topstory


Hey!!!! Wasnt the Bill Clinton Former POTUS tried the same thing with a missile to hunt down Usama BL.
They said it locked on to his phone signal and exploded just a few distance away from where OBL actually was.

Looks like that Idea just got worked on to more realistic level
 

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Hey!!!! Wasnt the Bill Clinton Former POTUS tried the same thing with a missile to hunt down Usama BL.
They said it locked on to his phone signal and exploded just a few distance away from where OBL actually was.

Looks like that Idea just got worked on to more realistic level
It was Tomahawk actually. They locked on to the signals of OBL Sat phone and tracked him accordingly. Mid flight updated were provided to Tomahawk. But sadly for Americans, the Sat phone was actually being used by his deputy that day and he got killed instead.
 

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Zumwalt scandal: 155 mm gun turret: a single round costs 800,000 dollars
The Long Range Land-Attack Projectile will be canceled officially in the Program Objective Memorandum 2018.


The USS Zumwalt, defined the most powerful ship ever built by man, must give up his twin gun tower from 155 mm due to the cost of every single bullet: 800 thousand dollars, a figure for defect.

Let's go with order.

The USS Zumwalt, destroyers capable of engaging targets at a hundred miles away with electromagnetic cannons and with a signature so reduced as to appear on the radar with the dimensions of a vessel, was officially delivered to the Navy two weeks ago. The leader of the class Zumwalt, is the largest and most powerful aircraft United States Navy destroyer ever built.

The cost of the entire program is $23 billion. The total cost of the contracts for the three vessels is estimated at $13.2 billion, about $4.4 billion in boat. The second ship, the Michael Monsoor, will be delivered in November of next year, a few months late from the original timeline. The decision was taken because of the complexity of the project to the class defined as the most powerful in the world. The third and last ship of the class, the Lyndon b. Johnson, will be delivered in December 2018.

The most powerful multi-United States Navy destroyers ever built, was conceived, designed and armed for war of the future at an exorbitant cost: $4.4 billion in boat, about three times the cost of a current destroyers for a total cost of 13.2 billion dollars for three ships (about 32 initially foreseen). From 2009 to 2015, the cost of each boat has increased by 34.4%. It would be important to note that everything on the Zumwalt is unique. His profile stealth for example, should make invisible to enemy radar. Despite being 40% larger than an Arleigh Burke, has an Rcs (Radar Cross Section) of a vessel. The Zumwalt destroyer reintroduces the Camber: the maximum width of the ship is on the waterline, while progressing upwards the hull begins to shrink.

His unusual hull was designed with wavelength or wave-piercing penetration technology for a top speed of 30 knots (56 km/h). It has been designed to pour out a devastating ability to fire even if affected severely. The Zumwalt class is armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles of the eighties (spread over various pods Vls Mk 57 advanced, throughout the ship so don't miss missile capability even when struck), 155 mm howitzers, two 57 mm by Ags and evolved Sea Sparrow batteries.

And here is the problem.

The Advanced Gun system or Ags deserves a separate discussion. Shoots bullets-rocket of 11 kg, with a margin of error (Cep) of 50 metres, to a maximum distance of 154 km. Each unit would have had a capacity of 750 rounds of ammunition. The barrel of the Ags is water cooled to prevent overheating, while the rate of fire is ten rounds per minute per gun. The combined firepower of a pair of turrets would give each Zumwalt class destroyers firepower equivalent to twelve field guns M198.

The Long Range Land-Attack Projectile is a precision ammunition and is solely designed for the Advanced Gun System from 155 mm of Zumwalt. Each bullet costs 800 thousand dollars. Ironically, both the Long Range Land-Attack Projectile that AGS system have always shown great ability three ten technological innovations on board, not revealing critical points throughout the development phase. The problem is only on the unit price of the ammunition, unsustainable even for the most powerful country in the world.

The Long Range Land-Attack Projectile will be canceled officially in the Program Objective Memorandum 2018. The two last November, the request was formally presented to the Secretary of Defense. The risk now is that the ringleaders of the class Zumwalt will enter service without a valid alternative to the 155-millimeter cannons initially planned. Nevertheless, the 150 LRLAP ammunition purchased for 115 million dollars, will be used for testing. Is not inserted any amount budgeted for 2016 and 2017 LRLP ammunition in fiscal budget. One wonders, finally, interventions and costs required to implement a new weapon system. Combining AGS/LRLAP was originally developed to provide a "persistent precision fire support, capable of hitting targets far inland".

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...da-155-millimetri-un-singolo-proiettile-costa

My note: the Italian OTO-Melara 127 mm Vulcano round has a range of up to 100 km with a warhead of 10 kg and a costs of 60,000 dollars with a better CEP (and there are also a 155 mm land version)... the 127/64 gun with a rate of fire of 40 rounds/minute and a automated 400 rounds magazine costs about 30 million dollars... the entire project (round + 127/64 gun) costs 200+50 million dollars :)
 

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Lockheed Martin awarded $150 million USN contract to build two 150 kilowatt combat lasers





Lockheed Martin is being awarded a $150 million cost-plus-incentive-fee contract for Surface Navy Laser Weapon System Increment 1, High Energy Laser and Integrated Optical-dazzler with a surveillance system. Under this contract Lockheed Martin Aculight Corp. will develop, manufacture, and deliver two test units in fiscal 2020 (one unit for a Destroyer, and another land-based testing). This contract includes options which, if exercised, would bring the cumulative value of this contract to $943 million.

The combat lasers will be 150-kilowatts and could get upgraded to 300 kilowatts for more range and power.

The 300-kilowatt lasers could destroy fast-moving, incoming missiles before they can strike their targets.






https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/...-kilowatt-lasers-for-another-800-million.html
 

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Despite What You've Heard, The Navy Isn't Ditching Its Railgun And Budget Docs Prove It

espite recent reports that the U.S. Navy could abandon the effort altogether, the service has included millions of dollars in its latest budget request to continue working on its potentially game-changing railgun. Though overall funds for the project have fluctuated in recent years, the revelation that the Chinese may have installed their own prototype weapon on an actual ship could prompt the service and Congress to try and accelerate the electromagnetic cannon's development.

On Feb. 12, 2018, the Navy released its proposed budget for the 2019 fiscal year, which allots almost $45.8 million for research and development into both electromagnetic and directed energy weapons, reflecting the latest phase in the project's evolution. This is a common pool that pays for the railgun project, as well as work on maturing solid state laser technology and a joint program with the U.S. Air Force to build a high-powered radio frequency weapon for aircraft called High-power Joint Electromagnetic Non-Kinetic Strike (HIJENKS).


http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ditching-its-railgun-and-budget-docs-prove-it
 

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