NATO Foreign Ministers announce interim Spearhead Force

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  1. Ray

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    NATO is gearing up for quick response.

    It will ensure that other countries in Eastern Europe 9or part of it) does not ally with Russia and if there is any such attempt, this force will react to null the attempt?
     
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    Another consequence of Putin's misadventure in Ukraine. Whereas before Ukraine NATO cannot agree to station forces in Eastern European member countries due to sensitivities with Russia. But now that Russia has stepped over the line in Ukraine NATO has also removed its gloves off. NATO, which has been in decline in Europe is now revitalized, precisely the thing that Putin does not want from the start.

    And, in the backyard of Russia, in central Asia, China is actively building its own sphere of influence.
     
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    If Central Asia is Russia;s backyard, Est Europe is its lawn and flower beds.

    Russia has done no misadventure. It is merely trying to protect its patch.

    Which countries are in China's 'sphere of influence'?
     
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    It's not yet squarely in China's sphere of influence, that's why I said China is still "actively building its own sphere of influence," but a host of important gas producing Central Asian countries are already doing more trades to China than Russia, most significant of which is Kazakhstan which is part of Russia Eurasian Union.

    Hungry for Gas, China Muscles Onto Russian Turf


    China Edging Russia out of Central Asia | The Diplomat

     
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    I have posted in your other post the Bloomberg article on Russia and China geopolitical hotspots.
     
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    Doing trade is not being under any countries 'sphere of influence'.

    Just an example
    By your definition or statement, India is in China's 'sphere of influence'.

    The reality is China can in no flight of wild imagination, can be influenced by China.

    It will be the day when it does.

    One must not use fancy terms to substitute as immense depth of knowledge.



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    Which one?
     
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    Of course not. But political influence always follows economic influence. Note that China has significant strategic importance for central Asia as it is where it gets a large part of its gas needs, definitely it would want to have political control of this areas so that they can be assured of stable gas supplies. And these Central Asian countries in turn will give more emphasis to their biggest trading partner when it comes to important political decisions with ramifications on their relations with external powers.

    You read more about the growing consensus on China's rise in Central Asia. You see spheres of influence (Putin's sacred phrase) is like a personal bubble, it only accommodates oneself and excludes all others.


    Sorry it was an article from Japan Times, here:

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/10/06/commentary/world-commentary/central-asias-great-game/

    But there's also another article from Bloomberg:

    http://www.businessweek.com/article...es-his-grip-on-central-asia-as-china-moves-in

     
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    Another rather ill-informed and myopic view that economic influence per se translates into political influence.

    Sphere of Influence means that in the field of international relations, a sphere of influence (SOI) is a spatial region or concept division over which a state or organization has a level of cultural, economic, military, or political exclusivity, accommodating to the interests of powers outside the borders of the state that controls it.

    If economic influence automatically gave a nation control over others politically, then how come the US is not holding a large part of the world to ransom politically? The US through trade, aid, NGOs is practically in the economies of many developing countries and yet....................

    China is economically has a great penetration in many countries and yet.....................

    So, learn to look at issue holistically and not myopically with a tunnel vision perspective.

    Influence has been used in a very generic term. It does not in any way indicates that China controls it policies in a major way. Just that China has been able to trade more effectively than others.

    What does the Bloomberg article that you quoted mean
    Just what the Japan Times is stating - CAR is increasing its trade with China.

    Does having an increased trade mean political dominance over the countries that trade?

    As far as me reading, I am sure you are hardly the one to advise me.

    My posts speaks for myself and yours for you.

    Lots of difference.

    Lot of gap in knowledge, lots of gaps in comprehension and lots of gap is its spanning a spectrum of views, but a great difference wherein you take the cake in tunnel vision.

    Spare me your homilies, please.
     
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    You're in denial. China will make sure that it has Central Asia firmly within its control because it is where it gets a lot of its gas supply from. That region has strategic importance for China.
     
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    I am not in denial. I am merely analysing facts while you are dwelling in fond delusions.

    Look at the utter tommy rot that you are espousing in this post of yours.

    Let us analyse that, if you will.

    Please forgive me, but that is one of the stupidest contention I have heard.

    China can want the moon from CAR, but how will they get Central Asia firmly within its control?

    By capturing the countries?

    I can't think of any other way to 'firmly take control' of another country that is not one's.

    Or maybe you would know better that China plans to capture the CAR to get it in it firm control, since you are so cock sure that China will make sure that it has Central Asia firmly within its control

    You sit at the right hand side of Xi when he formulates his policies and war plans?
     
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    You are really in denial:

    The struggle for Central Asia: Russia vs China - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

    We are seeing the early stages of the 21st century Great Game in Central Asia...
     

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