National Socialist Heinrich Himmler Fascination With Ancient India

[HeinzGud]

Not my responsibility. What research have you done? How many vedas, upanishads have you read? I cant or no one can teach you on this forum. Make your own effort. Plenty of people on this board have given directions to search for. If you cant make your own effort, no one can spoon fed you

Then it should not be a proper discussion. It shows your incompetence in bringing forth facts to back your claims up.

 

[HeinzGud]

If that's not relevant why its mentioned in your scriptures ? The Answer is Buddhism is nothing but a Hindu Sect.

And My Lankan friend, i have busted all your claims with proper Buddhist sources now there is not much to discuss.

Many things are mentioned in Buddhist scriptures, including murder, auditory ect., Does that mean those are also part of what Dharma that Buddha preached? Absolutely not. Therefore don't cherry pick words from the scriptures. Can you show me that Chakravartin has any relevance in Buddhism?

 

[HeinzGud]

Read this link. http://ayurvedaplace.com/2012/09/17/vedic-varnas-castes/

So what you imply is Vedic society was based on vernas and later castes, Buddha should indeed be a Hindu?

 

[AnantS]

Then it should not be a proper discussion. It shows your incompetence in bringing forth facts to back your claims up.

Nope it merely shows your shallow intellectual depth, and immature mind to grasp the topic. Until and Unless you make effort, no one can teach you.

 

[AnantS]

So what you imply is Vedic society was based on vernas and later castes, Buddha should indeed be a Hindu?

Idiot! read it in comparison with quote you quoted from Buddhist text. What you quoted about Varnas is not alien to Hinduism and neither something new that has not been stated in Hinduism before.

Regarding Budha was a Kshatriya belonging to Shakya Clan. You cannot be ordained Kashatriya, unless you are part of Hindu fold.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Himmler' s real field of expertise was witchcraft, not ancient Vedas. Nazis wannabe take note

http://www.examiner.com/article/nazi-chief-s-occult-book-stash-found



Heinrich Himmler, a SS Nazi chief, had a personal stash of over 13,000 occult and witchcraft books found in the Czech Republic recently. The stash was apparently discovered in a vault which had not been accessed since the 1950's. It was found in National Library of the Czech Norwegian Masonic researcher, Bjørn Helge Horrisland, commented to the Norwegian newspaper, Verdens Gang, that some of the books came from the Norwegian order of Freemasons in Oslo. The books had been stolen during German occupation in World War II.

Himmler was obsessed with the occult and witchcraft, believing they would help the Aryan race become supreme in the world. His obsession undoubtedly surpassed Hitler's interest in the occult. In 1935 he established "H Sonderkommando", with the "H" standing for he German word "Hexe", which translates as witch. The unit was tasked with finding material primarily on medieval witch hunts and witchcraft. They searched some 260 libraries and archives on the matter. This was the largest survey of witch-trial records in the history of Europe.

The Witch-Cult hypothesis, made famous by researcher Margaret Murray, had a follower in Himmler. He believed that the hypothesis explained to him that the inquisition conducted by the Catholic church was purposefully trying to repress an indigenous German pagan nature-based religion, völkisch, in a conspiracy against the Aryan race. Therefore, he collected as much as he could on the witch-trials. During which he found out he had an ancestor that was burned as a witch.

Himmler wanted to resurrect this ancient indigenous pagan German religion by reconstructing it with his collected "evidence". His attempts also included anti-Christian propaganda. These actions led to Stuart Clark declaring the Nazi government as "Europe's first and only 'pro-witch' government."

Though historians argue over whether the Nazis really needed these works. Some claim that their study of Germanic mythology was, at least, used to give their racist theories justification. While others believe that it was just their attempt to try to prove that the persecution of witches was really the Roman Catholic church's attempt at destroying the ancient German race.

Other Nazi archaeology, too, was about racial superiority and concerned with finding the origins of the Aryan race. Himmler with another high ranking official, Darre, created Ahnererbe, to pursue this course, in 1935. A great amount of resources were devoted to funding this pursuit. Primarily, so the Nazi ideals of the Aryan supreme race could be more generally accepted by the public. This included trips to places such as Tibet where skeletal fragments would be measured by "anthropologists", to "prove" the superiority of the Aryan race. (Tibet was thought to have information on the origins of the Aryans.)

In retrospect, Himmler is credited with being one of the founders of Esoteric Hitlerism. Being so deeply involved in such things as astrology, Himmler was the Nazi leader with the most occult tendencies out of the many of them. Being focused with pan-Aryanism race, as well as occultism, his attempts at constructing a pseudo-Germanic Neopagan religion, largely remained on paper. Even going so far to as list a bunch of officially approved pagan holidays.

 

[HeinzGud]

Idiot! read it in comparison with quote you quoted from Buddhist text. What you quoted about Varnas is not alien to Hinduism and neither something new that has not been stated in Hinduism before.

Regarding Budha was a Kshatriya belonging to Shakya Clan. You cannot be ordained Kashatriya, unless you are part of Hindu fold.

But you people need to real study what Buddha said rather than staying in a self denial that Buddhism is a off shoot of Hinduism.

 

[rockey 71]

If that's not relevant why its mentioned in your scriptures ? The Answer is Buddhism is nothing but a Hindu Sect.




And My Lankan friend, i have busted all your claims with proper Buddhist sources now there is not much to discuss.

Actually Indian constitution has declared Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists and Brahmos Hindus - quite uniliterally and quietly. Such is not the case in BD, Bhutan, Thailand, Burma, SL, Nepal, Pakistan or Afghanistan. In all these countries the definition of Hinduism has not devoured all others. In BD and socially all over Bengal we make a diference between High Cast and Low Cast Nomo Shudra.

 

[Bornubus]

Actually Indian constitution has declared Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists and Brahmos Hindus - quite uniliterally and quietly. Such is not the case in BD, Bhutan, Thailand, Burma, SL, Nepal, Pakistan or Afghanistan. In all these countries the definition of Hinduism has not devoured all others. In BD and socially all over Bengal we make a diference between High Cast and Low Cast Nomo Shudra.

Are you BD Shudra ?

I mean before your conversion to Islam ?

 

[Bornubus]

Many things are mentioned in Buddhist scriptures, including murder, auditory ect., Does that mean those are also part of what Dharma that Buddha preached? Absolutely not. Therefore don't cherry pick words from the scriptures. Can you show me that Chakravartin has any relevance in Buddhism?

I showed you the scriptures where the concept is mentioned also Buddhist king Ashoka claimed himself Chakravartin and his son Mahindra was sent to Lanka to civilize you people.


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And Lankan your Buddhism has no relevance of Chakravartin but you openly practice Idol Worship like Hindus against the wishes of Buddha.

What kind of Asur Lankan Buddhism you follow

 

[rockey 71]

Are you BD Shudra ?

I mean before your conversion to Islam ?

Nope you and I don't belong to the same background.

 

[AnantS]

But you people need to real study what Buddha said rather than staying in a self denial that Buddhism is a off shoot of Hinduism.

Thats the advantage we have india is the nation where Sidhartha became Gautam. So we have better understanding of what Buddhism is all about, what is Jainism and what is Hinduism. And relationship between three. You are mere follower what some Indians preached you. As I said its beyond your intellect to understand these things. All indic religions have absolutely one requirement, application of "Viveka". Which you are incapable of using.. hence go climb nearest coconut tree and swing around a bit to get some fresh air to mind

 

[HeinzGud]

Thats the advantage we have india is the nation where Sidhartha became Gautam. So we have better understanding of what Buddhism is all about, what is Jainism and what is Hinduism. And relationship between three. You are mere follower what some Indians preached you. As I said its beyond your intellect to understand these things. All indic religions have absolutely one requirement, application of "Viveka". Which you are incapable of using.. hence go climb nearest coconut tree and swing around a bit to get some fresh air to mind

Where is the advantage? Buddhism has almost wiped out from India thousands of years ago. What ever remains in India has come from Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand etc., for Theravada tradition and from Tibet, China etc., the Mahayana tradition. You can't claim just because Buddha lived in India that you know everything about Buddhism.

As I said earlier you have no knowledge of what Buddhism is. You better start reading about it.

 

[AnantS]

Where is the advantage? Buddhism has almost wiped out from India thousands of years ago. What ever remains in India has come from Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand etc., for Theravada tradition and from Tibet, China etc., the Mahayana tradition. You can't claim just because Buddha lived in India that you know everything about Buddhism.

As I said earlier you have no knowledge of what Buddhism is. You better start reading about it.

Buddhism got absorbed in Hinduism fully. To understand as I say to you need to read more. Your are not in India, hence dont have insight of both religions. Atleast read basics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism

 

[Bornubus]

Where is the advantage? Buddhism has almost wiped out from India thousands of years ago. What ever remains in India has come from Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand etc., for Theravada tradition and from Tibet, China etc., the Mahayana tradition. You can't claim just because Buddha lived in India that you know everything about Buddhism.

As I said earlier you have no knowledge of what Buddhism is. You better start reading about it.

That's we told you that Buddhism is just a sect for Indians and incorporated into the greater Hindu religion.

In South, Bhakti saints played an important part in wiping out out Buddhism even as separate sect.

Great Shankarachaya defeated Buddhist in Religious debates (Shastartha) he visited every corner of India and Challenged Buddhists to debate him.


In North it was wiped out by Islam but compared with India Musalman used violent methods such as general Massacre of Buddhist by Balhtiyar Khilji at Nalanda University.


Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha.
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Now the only ancient Statue like Bamiyan is left in India at Laddakh.


As a Dharmic sect of Hinduism Hildus will always show respect to Gautam Buddha, Buddhist saints and Buddhist scriptures.

They are our treasure like Hinduism.

 

[Bornubus]

One more thing - Any Proud Indian who love this great land of his ancestors would always convert to a Dharmic sect such as Buddhism or Jain.


One such Person was Ambedkar a great son of soil and respected among Indians irrespective of Caste and Creed.

He did what Buddha Two thousand years ago.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

One more thing - Any Proud Indian who love this great land of his ancestors would always convert to a Dharmic sect such as Buddhism or Jain.

Dharmik faith has no conversion, one just starts following it.

 

[HeinzGud]

That's we told you that Buddhism is just a sect for Indians and incorporated into the greater Hindu religion.

In South, Bhakti saints played an important part in wiping out out Buddhism even as separate sect.

Great Shankarachaya defeated Buddhist in Religious debates (Shastartha) he visited every corner of India and Challenged Buddhists to debate him.


In North it was wiped out by Islam but compared with India Musalman used violent methods such as general Massacre of Buddhist by Balhtiyar Khilji at Nalanda University.


Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha.
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Now the only ancient Statue like Bamiyan is left in India at Laddakh.


As a Dharmic sect of Hinduism Hildus will always show respect to Gautam Buddha, Buddhist saints and Buddhist scriptures.

They are our treasure like Hinduism.

Buddhism was the dominant religion in the Subcontinent until the Muslims. Hinduism begun to spread amidst the destruction of Buddhism. The Bhakti movement specially started around 12th centuries if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Bornubus]

Hinduism begun to spread amidst the destruction of Buddhism.

That's the most stupid post by you not only in this thread but in the entire forum.

And don't bother your little mind about Bhakti and Hindus but since you already mention the most conservative period of Alvars and Naynars (SA Bhaki saint) goes back to 5th AD.


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And one more thing, Bhaki saint include Females and saint from Humble background not only elite caste that only show how open was our society (majority) thousands of years ago.

 

[AnantS]

Buddhism was the dominant religion in the Subcontinent until the Muslims. Hinduism begun to spread amidst the destruction of Buddhism. The Bhakti movement specially started around 12th centuries if I'm not mistaken.

Buddhism had its decline much before. Read about Adi Shankaracharya. He popularized Upanishads and Vedas once again and explained Advait philosophy(Uttar Mimansaka - non ritualist) in a simpler language to masses. He defeated many known Buddhist scholars in debates. In fact challenge to Buddhism had started with Kumarila Bhatta(Purva Mimansaka or Ritualist).
Buddhism: " I searched for the soul (atma) everywhere but I couldn't find it.So there is no atma afterall"
Adi Shankaracharya: "Who was the one searching?That who was searching is atma"