Myths About Soviet Tanks Debunked

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  1. JBH22

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    Check this out guys pretty interesting :arjun:
     
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    Quite interesting indeed. But one bit was tad disconcerting- the export of license built variants of the Soviet tanks and possibly other combat systems were of relatively poor quality and performance. This probably explains their failure in conflicts with Westerns systems around the world.

    However, India has been using Soviet combat systems for the past 40 years now and we have not faced that kind of failure in conflicts or in peace keeping operations where Indian armed forces have been deployed. So what does it mean? Does it imply that the western forces faced half trained forces who were inept? Or that they were unable to fully realise the potential of the Soviet combat systems which as we all know were and are far more demanding of the users. This seems especially true of combat planes, tanks, ships and submarines.

    In light of this how should we view the achievements of the Indian armed forces on working well with the much demanding Soviet combat systems.
     
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    some thing is quite horrifying, Russian T72M has got night vision, someone has forget to buy night vision for Indian T72M.
     
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    Export model. not quite the same. Perhaps our officials could have done with better negotiating.
     
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    The T-72 was supposed to have upgraded electronics in the 90s itself. Something like the MKI, the T-72 would have had progressive upgrades while they were being manufactured. This included Israeli TIs, Polish FCS along with the ability to fire Refleks.

    It wasn't that our negotiation skills were bad, it is just that there was no money to pay for these upgrades. Don't forget that we were comparatively as poor as Pakistan is today when the T-72 was being manufactured in India, in the 90s. That's why the T-72s stayed as they were with only armour upgrades as manufacturing progressed.

    Now 250 T-72s have already undergone the most comprehensive upgrade of the Rhino program called Gold upgrade. Another 1700 are set to follow the upgrade and is happening as we speak. The older tanks will only be lightly upgraded because of their already long life. This was supposed to have happened in the early 90s though. But started only in the early 2000s.
     
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    Could you elaborate on these upgrades and how the upgraded T-72s stack up against the Pakistani T-80s.
     
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    Indian army bought the T-90 to counter Pakistanis T-80 at no point in time the T-72 were envisaged to take on them.
     
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    Myths About Soviet Tanks Debunked 2

     
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