Musharraf, Kayani knew about Osama's whereabouts: Ex-Pak army chief

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    Musharraf, Kayani knew about Osama's whereabouts: Ex-Pak army chief

    Indo-Asian News Service, Updated: December 24, 2011 18:38 IST




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    Washington: Pakistani military had harboured Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former president General Pervez Musharraf, ex-army chief General Ziauddin Butt has said.

    An article on the Jamestown Foundation website, which cited Butt, said that despite denials, evidence is emerging that "elements within the Pakistani military harboured Osama with the knowledge of Musharraf and Kayani". Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is the current army chief.

    Ziauddin Butt, a former chief of the Pakistan army, told a conference on Pakistani-US ties in October that according to his knowledge, then director general of Intelligence Bureau, Brigadier (retd.) Ijaz Shah, had "kept Osama bin Laden in an Intelligence Bureau safe house in Abbottabad".

    Osama bin Laden was gunned down May 2 by US commandos who mounted a daring operation using stealth helicopters.

    The retired general said in the same address that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had helped the CIA to track Osama down and kill him.

    The report also said that stunning revelation was unreported for some time as some intelligence officers had asked journalists not to publish Butt's remarks.

    The report said that Butt told the daily Dawn on December 11 that he fully believed that "(Brigadier) Ijaz Shah had kept this man (bin Laden in the Abbottabad compound) with the full knowledge of General Pervez Musharraf..." Butt added, "Ijaz Shah was an all-powerful official in the government of General Musharraf."

    To a query on whether the present army chief knew about it, Butt said yes, but later added: "(General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani) may have known - I do not know - he might not have known."

    The former Pakistan army chief has, however, not been able to explain as to how Osama was not found even after Brigadier Shah and Musharraf went out of power.

    Butt had been the ISI chief under then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif had promoted him as the army chief after forcibly retiring General Pervez Musharraf Oct 12, 1999, but the army's top brass then revolted.

    Musharraf, who toppled Sharif and became the new chief executive of the country, stepped down in 2008.

    Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistani top military officials had major differences, including on Pakistan's ties with Osama bin Laden.

    According to Butt, Sharif had made up his mind to cooperate with the US and track down Osama in 1999.

    Citing a senior advisor to the prime minister, the report said, "the general staff ousted Sharif to scuttle the 'get-Osama' plan".

    Butt said that Nawaz Sharif had set up a special task force of 90 US-trained commandos to track down Osama in Afghanistan.

    "If the Sharif government had continued on this course, this force would likely have caught bin Laden by December 2001, but the plan was aborted by Ziauddin Butt's successor as ISI general director, Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmed," the report added.


     
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    Tell us something we don't know General. By the way, time to be on the run General. ISI will be on your tail!
     
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    Pakistan military hid Osama in Abbottabad

    Pakistan military hid Osama in Abbottabad: Ex-army chief -  

     
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    How many more they are sheltering? How long would it take the NATO forces to fish them out? Are these confessing Generals looking for Green Card from USA? Let us drop some sniffing dogs with parachute with GPS implanted ( Battery Charging Will Be Problem) to fish them out. How about pay off few ISI men for information?
     
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    So how much the Pakies made for that sick man Osama Bin Laden? Billions sir, billions ! USA should get back that money throgh Paki noses.
     
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    All the top terrorists in the world are in their own safe houses in pakistan.
     
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    Pakistan keeps making statements to try to humilate USA. I wonder how long US will put with this crap before kicking their faces in?? Not even their gay Chinese lovers will be able to save them.
     
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    It is not surprising since it is Pakistan's patent right to be capable of the most heinous and disgraceful of things.

    Musharraf is, in any case, the worst example of a skunk!
     
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    He is missing the fur of "SKUNK" otherwise every time he opens his mouth he stinks like the real "SKUNK".
     
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    Its quite interesting that this has come out. Given that Ziauddin Butt was the chief of Army staff appointed by Nawaz Sharief by sacking Musharraf, there is a history between the two.

    But we have been getting such hints for a long time now.

    Tariq Ali in his book The Duel had hinted that a senior officer had indicated that intelligence agencies had hidden Osama as it was the "goose that laid the golden egg" for them http://defenceforumindia.com/blogs/ejazr/254-book-review-duel-interesting-revelations-tariq-ali.html

    Even when the Abottabad raid happened, many members here - although in the minority - were skeptical that the ISI/Army had at some level worked with the Americans to kill OBL. OBL was kept under IB wraps by the Pak establishment and at the appropriate time, he would be handed over to the Americans to "kill" him and then portray to the world that how they fought terrorists. He had earlier also mentioned that Mullah Umar would have agreed to hand over OBL, but Gen. Mahmoud who led a delegation to Mullah Omar told him that he should not surrender OBL and stand up against the US and we (i.e. Pakistan) would be behind them.

    Another interesting tidbit is that in the late 90s when Butt as DG ISI was working with CIA to capture OBL. The Saudis were also very interested in capturing him and both the US and the Saudis were bankrolling and training and elite force to capture OBL. But after the coup and when Butt was arrested, Mahmud disbanded the elite force and told him that capturing OBL would be "against the national interests of Pakistan".


    Here is an interview with him recently with the DAWN news channel, where a lot of such things were discussed.




     
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    Is this a news?
     
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    this is no news to people who follow pakistan, but more interesting is the fact that it was the obama administration, the state department and hillary clinton who back in may'11 were ready to absolve the pakistanis of any wrong doing.

    will someone start questioning the people in washington?

    obama and hillary clinton better start answering!
     
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    Ah.... This is known to everyone but will they accept or will they come out in public and say that they knew the where about of Obama-Bin-Laden. It is the question we have to answer.
     
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    The loss of a strategic asset still haunts them and even today the words "sovereignty" and "violations" are stressed in interviews and public statements by Pak leaders.
     
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    Those three videos are good and the general answered very calmly and precisely including a lot of lies.
     
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    Two things similar between Pakistan and China. Their Armies have a country rather than being the other way round.
     
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    Musharraf, Kayani knew Osama's whereabouts: Pak's ex-army chief

    Musharraf, Kayani knew Osama's whereabouts: Pak's ex-army chief
    IANS Dec 24, 2011, 04.23PM IST
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    (Pakistani military had harboured al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former president General Pervez Musharraf, former army chief General Ziauddin Butt has said.)

    WASHINGTON: Pakistani military had harboured al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former president General Pervez Musharraf, former army chief General Ziauddin Butt has said.

    An article on the Jamestown Foundation website, which cited Butt, said that despite denials, evidence is emerging that "elements within the Pakistani military harboured Osama with the knowledge of Musharraf and Kayani". Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is the current army cheif.


    Ziauddin Butt, a former army chief, told a conference on Pakistani-US ties in October 2011 that according to his knowledge then director general of Intelligence Bureau, Brigadier (retd.) Ijaz Shah, had "kept Osama bin Laden in an Intelligence Bureau safe house in Abbottabad".

    Osama bin Laden was gunned down May 2 by US commandos who mounted a daring operation using stealth helicopters.

    The retired general said in the same address that the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) had helped the CIA to track Osama down and kill him.

    The report said that stunning revelation was unreported for some time as some intelligence officers had asked journalists not to publish Butt's remarks.

    The report said Butt told the daily Dawn Dec 11 that he fully believed that "(Brigadier) Ijaz Shah had kept this man (bin Laden in the Abbottabad compound) with the full knowledge of General Pervez Musharraf..." Butt added, "Ijaz Shah was an all-powerful official in the government of General Musharraf".

    To a query on whether the present army chief knew about it, Butt said yes, but later added: "(General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani) may have known - I do not know - he might not have known."

    The former army chief has, however, not been able to explain as to how Osama was not found even after Brigadier Shah and Musharraf went out of power.

    Butt had been the ISI chief under then prime minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif had promoted him as the army chief after forcibly retiring General Pervez Musharraf Oct 12, 1999, but the army's top brass then revolted.

    Musharraf, who toppled Sharif and became the new chief executive of the country, stepped down in 2008.

    Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistani top military officials had major differences, including on Pakistan's ties with Osama bin Laden.

    According to Butt, Sharif had made up his mind to cooperate with the US and track down Osama in 1999. Citing a senior advisor to the prime minister, the report said, "the general staff ousted Sharif to scuttle the 'get-Osama' plan".

    Butt said that Nawaz Sharif had set up a special task force of 90 US-trained commandos to track down Osama in Afghanistan.


    Musharraf, Kayani knew Osama's whereabouts: Pak's ex-army chief - Times Of India
     
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    I and lot of others will put North Korea in to the same camp.
     
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    Are you seriously saying chinese generals run the country?:rofl:
    Ignorance is a bliss.
     

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