Missing plane MH370 hijacked: Malaysian investigators

[Abhijeet Dey]

A radar has been installed in Andaman and Nicobar Islands but is yet to be commissioned. What the hell is going on?

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Malaysian Missing plane could have been hijacked to Pakistan: US media

nation.com.pk/national/14-Mar-2014/malaysian-missing-plane-could-have-been-hijacked-to-pakistan-us-media]Malaysian Missing plane could have been hijacked to Pakistan: US media

The comment section by some Pakistanis is getting more and more uglier than ever before.

 

[Compersion]

Some are suggesting that the plane flew behind another plane that allowed it to go North west over india and into Pakistan and after made its own direction. Since it was closely following the plane ahead with same speed and altitude it did not show in radar with its transponders off. The plane would have met near the malacca straights

 

[Blackwater]

A radar has been installed in Andaman and Nicobar Islands but is yet to be commissioned. What the hell is going on?

Ye ha hindustan meri jaan

 

[SajeevJino]

Hijacked Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 shadowed other airliners to escape detection?​

According to the satellite data the hijacked MH370 was last spotted flying towards Pakistan or Indian Ocean. But if it took the northwestern route there was only one way to be invisible to radars.

More than one week since the flight disappered from the sky, Malaysian authorities are now almost certain that Malaysia Airlines MH370 was hijacked: even though it's impossible to say what happened aboard, the transponder and other communication equipment aboard the Boeing 777 9M-MRO were deliberately switched off to prevent identification by Air Traffic Control radars.

Even more interestingly, based on data coming from satellites, the aircraft could have taken two different routes: a northernwestern one, towards Pakistan/China, and a western one towards the Indian Ocean.

The northwestern route would have brought the plane somewhere along a route from the last recorded radar position west of Malaysia to a point on a great circle stretching from northern Thailand toward the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border. In other words, MH370 might have crossed some of the most heavily guarded airspaces without being noticed.

Weird, isn't it?

A Boeing 777 flying at 25,000 feet for seven hours crossing airways used by airplanes flying from Europe to Asia and vice versa and several airspaces surveilled by military and civilian radars, would leave a trace (and risk a mid-air or two on the way"¦)

The fact that it flew with a switched off transponder didn't make it invisible: Air Traffic Control radars might have not noticed it (even if it is unlikely), but military air defense sites in most countries (Malaysia is probably not among them) do pay attention to primary returns that could be the sign of an unknown (or enemy) aircraft.

Provided the plane really went northwest, how did it pass unnoticed through the Indian or Pakistani airspace?

Even though I still consider it quite unlikely, one of the possibilities is that the Boeing 777 shadowed another plane it encountered along the route.

Closing on another liner is not a common procedure, nor is it easy to perform with a large plane. But it is not completely impossible and, above all, such a daredevil maneuver worth an action movie, would have made the MH370 invisible to military radars.

Since the hijacking was very well executed and planned, 8 days after it went off radar with no idea where the plane crashed or landed, we can't completely rule out the possibility that the operation foresaw a rendez-vous with another plane unaware of MH370, that could provide the shield to the Malaysia's 777 hiding behind it.

Obviously, the Indian route is more likely, making research much more difficult and raising a question: why did the hijackers brought the plane westwards? Where did they plan to bring it?

As I said on Twitter earlier today, regardless of its crash or landing site the whole story will eventually highlight either impressive negligence (by air defenses of Malaysia and several other nations) or cover up attempt (for instance because the aircraft was shot down).

By David Cenciotti

The Aviationist » Hijacked Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 shadowed other airliners to escape detection?

 

[mahesh]

Hijacked Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 shadowed other airliners to escape detection?​

The fact that it flew with a switched off transponder didn't make it invisible: Air Traffic Control radars might have not noticed it (even if it is unlikely), but military air defense sites in most countries (Malaysia is probably not among them) do pay attention to primary returns that could be the sign of an unknown (or enemy) aircraft.

Provided the plane really went northwest, how did it pass unnoticed through the Indian or Pakistani airspace?

first talk about passing andoman and nicobar islands, doesn't it raise questions on our air surveillance and radar system. if a passenger plane misses out the radar then how about a cruise missiles like Tomahawk and others being launched from that region

 

[SajeevJino]

Experts rule out possibility of Malaysian jet entering Indian airspace​

Indian air traffic control experts have ruled out the possibility of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet entering Indian airspace without being noticed by Indian defense system, said local daily Times of India online Saturday.

Air traffic controllers at the eastern Indian city Kolkata have ruled out the possibility of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 flying over Indian airspace, said the report.

The report quoted the city's air traffic controllers' guild secretary Sugata Pramanik as saying at while flight MH370 could have avoided detection on the Secondary Surveillance Radar, the blip by the huge Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft would surely have been spotted by the Air Force that uses Primary Surveillance Radars to detect such intrusions.

"Any flight that moves in the north-western direction towards Kazakhstan from Malaysia, as suggested by (Malaysian PM) Razak, is bound to pass through Kolkata Flight Information Region. (FIR)," he was quoted as saying.

Razak told a press conference in Kuala Lumpur Saturday that the missing air jet could have taken two possible corridors, a northern corridor from the border of Kazakstan and Kukmenistan to northern Thailand, and a southern corridor stretching from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

"If an aircraft wants to avoid being seen, they can easily become invisible to a civilian radar by switching off the transponder that relays information about the plane. But it cannot avoid defense systems. The Indian Air Force has radars in multiple installations across the country and it is inconceivable that none of them spotted the odd blip with no flight clearance," Pramanik said.

There are nine Air Defense Identification zones in India that are manned around the clock to prevent an enemy aircraft from violating Indian airspace, according to the newspaper.

Another aviation guild member of Kolkata, Sushil Mondal, also said all hell would break loose if Air Force detected an aircraft that did not have air defense clearance, according to the newspaper.

"Any plane flying through Indian airspace is first required to submit the flight plan and manifest to the air traffic controls in its flight path. This is then relayed to the Air Force for permission," he said.

"There are times when the Air Force finds a blip that does not match a flight plan. That usually happens when flight plans going missing at their end due to a system or link failure. They then immediately contact us for information. If the plane flight plan isn't of suspicious nature, a clearance is granted. Or else, it is asked to return to wherever it came from. In case, we too don't have any information of the aircraft, all hell will break loose and the Air Force may even scramble jets to take the plane down. Nothing of the kind happened last Saturday," Mondal was quoted as saying.

According to the report, Kolkata airport has an Automatic Dependence Surveillance Radar and Controller-Pilot Datalink Communication that enables it to not only trail planes when it is in the radar zone of 60 nautical miles or nearly 120 km and beyond through very high frequency radio, but also through the data link when the plane goes out of voice communication range.

There are large areas in the Kolkata FIR, particularly over Bay of Bengal, that have no radar coverage at present.

A radar has been installed in Andaman and Nicobar Islands but is yet to be commissioned

Experts rule out possibility of Malaysian jet entering Indian airspace | World, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

 

[lookieloo]

Here's the most interesting (if still crazy and highly implausible) theory I've read. It comes from the comments section of a Wired article by user "VicB3".
How the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet Could Have Been Hijacked | Autopia | Wired.com

(Just getting my oar in the water here, and assuming that the whole thing isn't a totally bogus and stage-managed red herring to distract people from the war drums in Ukraine.)

OK, so here's a possible scenario to consider:

- There's a shortage of 777 parts worldwide, with the majority of the 777s being operated in Asia and the Mideast:

http://www.aviationweek com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_08_05_2013_p44-593219.xml

-A parted out 777 is worth several hundreds of millions of dollars more than a complete aircraft.

-Organized crime knows this.

-Meanwhile,one of the pilots is having severe problems of some sort - personal, marital, financial, whatever.

-A criminal organization - Chinese, Russian, Israeli, some combination of the three - discovers this and makes him an offer of some sort.

-Alternatively, the pilot is a member - or a relative of a member - in good standing with the criminal organization.

-The pilot is given a silenced weapon or similar to kill the other pilot in flight and take over the controls. (9mm Glock, threaded barrel with 85g Airshocks?) Planes are still noisy enough to hide the popping sound a silenced pistol still makes. Plus most passengers are asleep since this is a night flight. No one notices that anything has happened, and no alarms are raised.

-The single pilot then changes course and altitude, shuts down first satellite communications - less likely to be noticed right away - then transponders - this does get noticed - then position markers, etc. (He forgets or is unable to shut down the sat communications completely, hence the continual non directional signal that continues for several hours.) He dons his supplemental oxygen mask and takes the plane to 45,000 and depressuizes the plane briefly to kill the passengers and cabin crew. This is the "Passengers Dead" scenario..

-He then returns to 32,000 and re-pressurizes. Since this is the altitude that will afford him the greatest range, he does not descend further. He throttles back to conserve fuel and heads West into the night. Cabin heat and lights are turned off, and the aircraft interior becomes like a meat locker, and for a reason.

-Alternatively, in the "Passengers Alive" scenario, he takes the plane to 45,000, knocking out everybody on board then returns to 32,000, but only re pressurizes to, say, 18,000 feet. The passengers remain alive but unconscious. All cabin lights are extinguished. He then proceeds to head West.

-Continuing with the alternative "Passengers Alive" scenario, since the plane's supplemental pilot oxygen only lasts for so long, in his flight bag he has an oxygen bottle and mask that he dons after an hour or so. These are small and commonly available online, as any pilot can attest.

-Alternatively, he has a portable battery powered oxygen concentrator similar to what people with congestive heart failure use. It would provide a steady stream - pulse actually - of oxygen via a cannula such that his personal oxygen level would be similar to what he might experience if he were at, say, 8-10,000 feet.

-After several hours He takes the plane down low, very low, skimming the sea so as to fly below any radar tracking. The plane "disappears" from the radar.
Additionally, since it is still probably dark - remember he is heading into the West and darkness, and over the ocean - and his position lights and cabin lights - both extinguished earlier - are off, he is pretty much invisible as well.

-He heads to an island, jungle landing strip, dirt strip, remote derelict airport, whatever in a remote spot. Note that the runway doesn't have to be that long, just long enough to accommodate what's referred to as a "short field" type *landing* with full brakes and reverse thrusters. A dirt runway would be fine, and a soft/sandy runway would further help in slowing a landing plane down in a hurry, and in much the same fashion as a runaway truck lane works. Primitive runway and threshold markers - torches, lanterns and such - would be adequate for the job if required. Please note further that the aircraft will not be taking off ever again.

-The aircraft is moved into a hanger or shed of sufficient size where it is now hidden.

-Alternatively, it - and perhaps the runway as well - is camouflaged in some fashion and cannot be seen from the air. (Digital pattern camouflage nets can be quite effective from the air.)

-In the alternative "Passengers Alive" scenario, armed men now board the aircraft and herd the the terrified passengers into cells.

- In either scenario, All personal electronic communication items, esp. cell phonesare found or seized and destroyed immediately . (Since the area is remote, cell phones probably wouldn't work, and at any rate the organization has set up a local cell phone jammer to ensure electronic silence.)

-Likewise, all standby and battery power to the plane is disconnected immediately, shutting down any and all avionics and electronic systems on the plane. It is now totally invisible to any sort of remote tracking. (Sort of like pulling out the battery from your cell phone.)

-The pilot, despite assurances of a payday and a new life, is killed on the spot so as to cover tracks.

- This is unless he's an actual member of the gang of course. But even then the organizers might still chose to whack him.

-The plane begins the process of disassembly and parts sale through fronts, tame channels and intermediaries. Any required documentation is skillfully faked, and at any rate the buyers are so desperate for parts and happy to have them that as long as the parts are genuine, documentation isn't scrutinized too heavily.

-As for the passengers - and this is where it truly gets macabre - they're parted out as well.

-In the "Passengers Dead" scenario, orders are already in place and the dead and well preserved - remember that the cabin heat was turned off at 32,000 feet, creating a flying cold storage locker - passenger's organs are harvested for the underground transplant market. Hearts, livers, kidneys, etc. are shipped quickly to desperate and willing buyers worldwide who won't ask too many questions as to the source of the "donated" organs. Since there were aprox. 250 persons on board, and each person's body parts might fetch, say, 100 thousand dollars, this can add up to a tidy sum while solving the problem of covering up ones tracks.

-In the alternative "Passengers Alive" scenario, passengers are kept alive in cells, only to be pulled out one by one, killed, then harvested as the orders come in.

-In all, a little venture as described above might net somewhere in the area of one half billion dollars total, certainly an incentive to undertake otherwise so risky an enterprise.

-And at any rate, it gives you something to think about, an alternative to the whole "Terrorists did it!" or "There's a false flag in progress!" fear mongering.
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Feel free to have fun with all this.

Just a thought.

VicB3

 

[tarunraju]

What if it had entered into Bangladesh and across chicken neck (india) to Bhutan if not Nepal and into Tibet ... And beyond to its last detected area.

We have IAF radars at Bagdogra.

breaking !!!!! Malaysian Airline missing B777 found in pakistan

Imagery date.

 

[Victor Sierra]

India has put on hold its search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 at the request of the government in Kuala Lumpur, which wants to reassess the week-old hunt for the Boeing 777 that is now suspected of being hijacked. Both searches;one around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and a second further west in the Bay of Bengal have been suspended, but may resume within 10 to 12 hours.

 

[The Messiah]

How do we know the place was anywhere near the region its being searched ? What if it landed in diego garcia and the transponder was flown on a drone near malayasia and then switched off.

 

[ALBY]

Guys US deputy secretary for state had stated that there is chances that the plane was hijacked for carrying out 9/11 like attacks in india.

LIVE - Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 hijacked for 9/11-type terror attack in India?

 

[Blackwater]

We have IAF radars at Bagdogra.



Imagery date.

if its working

 

[tarunraju]

Wildest yet borderline plausible theory at the moment: CIA flew it to BIOT, from where it will be refueled and flown to Colaba (Mumbai).

India MUST haul ass and activate all its radars, cancel leaves, and put the armed forces on maximum alert. At least interceptor aircraft must be flying sorties around every major city 24x7, at least till June.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

@ghost

Psychic Uri Geller called in to help find Malaysia Airlines plane by "significant figure"

LINK: mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-uri-3242685

Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft.

Almost a week after the flight MH370 disappeared with 239 people on board, the famous psychic has been asked to use his powers by a "substantial figure" in Malaysia.

Mr Geller's assistance was revealed as Malaysian officials said that the search for the Boeing 777 was expanding into the Indian Ocean.

Mr Geller, who was a friend of Michael Jackson, has been using "remote viewing" in a bid to discover the fate of the plane and hopefully end the agony for the families of the missing.

"Remote viewing has been used by the CIA for decades," said Mr Geller at his home in Sonning, Berkshire, today.

"It works by people sending their mind through space and time. I have been asked by quite a substantial figure in Malaysia what my feelings are about this situation."

Mr Geller also appealed to his followers on Twitter and Facebook, to help him.

He wrote: "I have been asked to help. I believe in remote viewing. Can you help me? Can you please try to 'see' where you believe the plane went down? How and why, what are your own feelings, what does you intuitive sense tell you. Thank you."

He explained how the comments of his followers helped him to come to his own theory that something happened in the cockpit of the aircraft.

"It is my opinion that something happened to the pilot," said Mr Geller.

"The pilot was either pushed into a situation to divert the plane by another force or he did it of his own accord.

"That is my opinion and it is only my opinion. It is what I had derived from my own personal intuitive feeling."

Mr Geller said that he was attacked by a number of people on social media after asking his followers for their intuitive feelings.

However, he insisted that he was not seeking publicity and had posed the question to help him form his own conclusions.

He said many people's comments were "interesting," and that they ranged from the strange and the bizarre to the more logical.

One follower wrote: "I have every confidence in you and your gifts. If you can find oil and diamonds a plane should be easy. I look forward to your results. Come on, these families need your abilities."

Others gave their views, which included that the aircraft could have been abducted by aliens, crash-landed in the jungle, or it may have been shot down by a stray missile.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

How do we know the place was anywhere near the region its being searched ? What if it landed in diego garcia and the transponder was flown on a drone near malayasia and then switched off.

Engine data suggests Malaysia Air flight flew 4 more hours

Messiah "too clever by half?" :-D

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Mr [Psychic spoon-bender ]Geller, who was a friend of Michael Jackson, has been using "remote viewing" in a bid to discover the fate of the plane and hopefully end the agony for the families of the missing.

Sterling, unassailable credentials!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Reconstructing the Plane's Path

The main communications systems of the Malaysia Airlines plane were turned off about 40 minutes into the flight, forcing investigators to try to piece together the plane's location from other systems.

Transponder

Secondary Radar and Text Updates

Air traffic controllers typically know a plane's location based on what is called secondary radar, which requests information from the plane's transponder. A plane also uses radio or satellite signals to send regular updates through ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. Both of those systems were turned off.

Primary Radar

Two Malaysian military radar stations tracked a plane using primary radar, which sends out radio signals and listens for echoes that bounce off objects in the sky. Primary radar does not require a plane to have a working transponder.

SATELLITE

Satellite Communications

If ACARS updates are turned off, the plane still sends a "keep-alive" signal, that can be received by satellites. The signal does not indicate location, but it can help to narrow down the plane's position. A satellite picked up four or five signals from the airliner, about one per hour, after it left the range of military radar.

By JOSH KELLER, SERGIO PEÇANHA, MATTHEW L. WALD
Sources: R. John Hansman Jr., Massachusetts Institute of Technology; American officials

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=0

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

of the 2 possible paths identified by malaysian authorities today i think the plane took the southern indian ocean and crashed since the northern path goes through india and many other countries which would have been picked up by indian airforce radar in north east as well as chinese radar systems in tibet as well as many other countries.

 

[roma]

Glad to see that there are a number of speculations on this thread as to the whereabouts of the plane and its passengers.

To which i shall add my inputs :-

(1) The plane's engines continued to broadcast performance data to satellite for four hours after radar contact was lost
Ref: U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours - WSJ.com

(2) The mobile devices of many passengers continued to stay online for days after the disappearance
Ref: Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls - The Washington Post

(3) Range of plane puts all of pakistan and the south-eastern portion of Iran within reach.

(4) Various sources - plan in Iran being re-fittted for new 9/11 type mission-objectives

" .Malaysia's aviation authorities, with concurrence from U.S. and British government experts, concluded the plane's last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: "a northern corridor stretching from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan ....."
source :- Malaysia Flight 370: 10 of the most compelling questions - CNN.com

(5) Ex Israeli El Al Airline Security Chief feels the plane is now in Iran
Ref: Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370 | The Times of Israel