MAKE IN INDIA: US OFFERS TO JOINTLY MANUFACTURE FIGHTER JETS WITH INDIA

[sabari]

My friend, I understand what you just said.

But these Russian trolls really sucks. Enough is enough now.
And that leader of the Russian Trolls is a Mod on DFI.

God save this country from these Russian trap.

Zebra target neo let's chase those dog out of this forum and post me the cost of f16 v

 

[charlie]

Sir, come out of your old way of thinking. This is 2015 anyway.
India don't need to make those airframes at all.
Boeing will make it in India and supply it. At-least that is what I understand about 'Make in India'.
Correct me if I am wrong.

And whatever you said about other ancillary suppliers, for that matter, even HAL get something like these stuff from overseas.
And if I am not wrong, they don't cry for your "ToT" for each and every part / system what they import.

Well I am talking about the current scenario. it's not old way of thinking but you cannot see the difference between how Nato country(5 eyes) and India.

Boeing will just make airframe and some parts that can be sourced from the local dealers such as LCD's, IFF interrogator, nuts and bolt and some metal & alloy fabrications and that about it for Make in India.

India will have to make a separate contract for engine assemblies with GE( contract has already signed for that I assume) and radar assemblies with Raytheon.

The only things Boeing will offer to IAF is weapon integration such as Astra missile or some other weapon system that IAF prefers and they will also do some system integration as IAF would require different data link.


"Boeing will make it in India and supply it. At-least that is what I understand about 'Make in India'" if you replace Australia instead of India then what you said would be true,

HAL cries for TOT all the time for Hi-tech parts, but that's a different debate if it gets it or not.

Even Russian companies would have hard time to share their tech with India but one of the benefit with Russia is most of the companies are run by government, so they don't have much choice.

 

[Zebra]

Well I am talking about the current scenario. it's not old way of thinking but you cannot see the difference between how Nato country(5 eyes) and India.

Boeing will just make airframe and some parts that can be sourced from the local dealers such as LCD's, IFF interrogator, nuts and bolt and some metal & alloy fabrications and that about it for Make in India.

India will have to make a separate contract for engine assemblies with GE( contract has already signed for that I assume) and radar assemblies with Raytheon.

The only things Boeing will offer to IAF is weapon integration such as Astra missile or some other weapon system that IAF prefers and they will also do some system integration as IAF would require different data link.


"Boeing will make it in India and supply it. At-least that is what I understand about 'Make in India'" if you replace Australia instead of India then what you said would be true,

HAL cries for TOT all the time for Hi-tech parts, but that's a different debate if it gets it or not.

Even Russian companies would have hard time to share their tech with India but one of the benefit with Russia is most of the companies are run by government, so they don't have much choice.

Sir, US already offered this .......... "US Offers To Match India's Ally Russia" anyway.

a DFI thread for you ....... http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/us-offers-to-match-indias-ally-russia.39618/

 

[Zebra]

Zebra target neo let's chase those dog out of this forum and post me the cost of f16 v

Not sure. .........................................

 

[charlie]

Sir, US already offered this .......... "US Offers To Match India's Ally Russia" anyway.

a DFI thread for you ....... http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/us-offers-to-match-indias-ally-russia.39618/

Saying in Press is one thing doing it is completely different, there are hundreds of issue even within a company. Sales guys commit to one thing and the installation guys says completely different things while signing the contract.

of course US wants to sell it's platforms to India without the TOT.

 

[Zebra]

Saying in Press is one thing doing it is completely different, there are hundreds of issue even within a company. Sales guys commit to one thing and the installation guys says completely different things while signing the contract.

of course US wants to sell it's platforms to India without the TOT.

Prove it first.
Second, after contributing 50% how much ToT India gets in FGFA.....!

 

[sabari]

Prove it first.
Second, after contributing 50% how much ToT India gets in FGFA.....!

Nothing other than air frame design. they will not share engine designs and ram coating details

 

[sabari]

Iaf is ready to pay money for hawk which is subsonic fighter to be upgraded to comber jet .but that are not ready to buy tajes . What make hawk superior to tajes. is that the kick back which that get for buying this jet make than superior.hawk is a trainer.
Only the iaf find reason not to buy Indian project .navy never say no to Indian product.navy has said no to JAL ashwar class ship offered by america at the same time when JAL ashwar ship was bot .is there is any thing in iaf that is made in india.

 

[sorcerer]

You are a Russian troll. A PPP (Paid Puppet of Putin).

And if someone is against Russia, then automatically he / she become US troll, yeah?

Refer to post #71 of yours.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ter-jets-with-india.69326/page-4#post-1070147
Dont know you ask yourself..you started it. I returned in kind. Now dont pull a Pakistani and act like a victim.

So what...!

As far as your country is not a Russian slave country, US won't attack you anyway.

If strings attached, so be it. At-least India can stay away from socialist criminals, who butchered millions of their country people.

It is not good...?

So are you confirming that US will attach any nation which US perceives as a RUSSIAN SLAVE COUNTRY?
ANyway ..thats not the point

Its not about Russia or Israel..its about who provides India the best options India can have. US cant afford to attack India at least militarily but USA has been doing its round of arm twisting at diplomatic levels...

Dont care about what Russia does inside her borders. Thats Russias problem and politics.. India doesn’t dance according to the internal affairs of another nation.

For INdia..its about who provides India with Technology, ToT, joint project executions etc.etc.

To be away from a Socialist Nations INdia should buy stuffs with strings attached just to make a statement!!! : WOW!!!! logic..logic!!!!!
IF strings are attached ...India wont get her spares or crucial technology when in need..so these fighters will sit on the ground.. which in my opinion is a good thing in case of war...

Wheres the logic of the American Paid Trolls!! These American Paid trolls will sell this nation to the highest bidder!!

F-16 is a NATO craft. So what...?

What India have to do with NATO....!

Not untill now...

Even Russia itself was doing defence business with few major NATO countries till few months back. Not a single PPP (Paid Puppet of Putin) cried about it, I wonder.

Now all of sudden so-called NATO craft become untouchable for India...!

Nice sales pitch and bitching

DFI forum posters dont care about whom NATO countries does business with.

All it matters for India is how economical and Value for money the deals are Plus is there something from the deals INdia can build on its own.

NATO deals comes with strings attached and rules of engagement.
again...they aint that good!!!
Cope India: How the IAF rewrote the rules of air combat
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/02/16...af_rewrote_the_rules_of_air_combat_33111.html

 

[sabari]

Sir

Refer to post #71 of yours.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ter-jets-with-india.69326/page-4#post-1070147
Dont know you ask yourself..you started it. I returned in kind. Now dont pull a Pakistani and act like a victim.
So are you confirming that US will attach any nation which US perceives as a RUSSIAN SLAVE COUNTRY?
ANyway ..thats not the point

Its not about Russia or Israel..its about who provides India the best options India can have. US cant afford to attack India at least militarily but USA has been doing its round of arm twisting at diplomatic levels...

Dont care about what Russia does inside her borders. Thats Russias problem and politics.. India doesn’t dance according to the internal affairs of another nation.

For INdia..its about who provides India with Technology, ToT, joint project executions etc.etc.

To be away from a Socialist Nations INdia should buy stuffs with strings attached just to make a statement!!! : WOW!!!! logic..logic!!!!!
IF strings are attached ...India wont get her spares or crucial technology when in need..so these fighters will sit on the ground.. which in my opinion is a good thing in case of war...

Wheres the logic of the American Paid Trolls!! These American Paid trolls will sell this nation to the highest bidder!!




Not untill now...




Nice sales pitch and bitching

DFI forum posters dont care about whom NATO countries does business with.

All it matters for India is how economical and Value for money the deals are Plus is there something from the deals INdia can build on its own.

NATO deals comes with strings attached and rules of engagement.
again...they aint that good!!!
Cope India: How the IAF rewrote the rules of air combat
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/02/16...af_rewrote_the_rules_of_air_combat_33111.html

Sir I request you to stop fight .we have so many basters who need to be kicked out of this forum

 

[Immanuel]

Well if the F-35 is offered as a FMS with an assembly line in India even with some TOT, why not? Certainly a better deal than the Rafale.

 

[sabari]

Well if the F-35 is offered as a FMS with an assembly line in India even with some TOT, why not? Certainly a better deal than the Rafale.

We should by f35 for ins JAL ashwer which is sutable for harrier jump so it should suit f35

 

[salute]

We just launched out GSLV-D6, with a cryogenic engine. The same engine whose technology Russia agreed to give us and the US blocked. Luckily, some of that technology was secretly shipped to India buy Russian scientists.

wait you mean india still dont got indigenous cryo engine tech,its russian tech ???

 

[sabari]

India has cryoganic engine desine and its indigenous .

 

[charlie]

Prove it first.
Second, after contributing 50% how much ToT India gets in FGFA.....!

Well you saw how Rafale deal went through, do I need to give you more proof.

Anyway if you still think US will give TOT then I give up.

 

[pmaitra]

wait you mean india still dont got indigenous cryo engine tech,its russian tech ???

It is indigenous. Russia was willing to give the technology to India, but the US pressurized Russia not to give the technology to India, and US puppet Boris Yeltsin caved in. Some Russian scientists secretly shipped some hardware and technology to India aboard a Ural Airlines flight without informing Boris Yeltsin, who was too busy trying to please his western masters. That clandestine shipping did help, but predominantly, India's cryogenic engine is indigenous.

 

[pmaitra]

Guys, it is not a bad thing to be optimistic, but let me present a perspective.

Will the US share its F-35 technology with India?

Forget about F-35, will GE share technology for the F404 used in our LCA? Understand that GE even refused to share technology for its civilian application diesel locomotives for decades, lifting this technology ban only recently, and then we started making WDP-4 locomotives in India.

I have been shouting at the top of my lungs about turbine technology so that we can build jet engines in India. No one is willing to give it. Why would anyone do it, and hurt their own business?

 

[blue marlin]

It is indigenous. Russia was willing to give the technology to India, but the US pressurized Russia not to give the technology to India. Some Russian scientists secretly shipped some hardware and technology to India, and that did help, but predominantly, India's cryogenic engine is indigenous.

any evidence of this ? hi @pmaitra, i find it hard to believe that Russian scientists would secretly ship parts to india.
ruaais is not that corrupt.
i would believe that Russian gave technical expertise. there is a difference in not giving tech and giving guidance. this is the most probable solution as indian rockets have got a decent track record and recent launches were very successful. so i would imagine this tech is now mature and operational. think of it like this, it's an indian curry but with Russian vodka in it to. and know one knows whats in it until someone has a try.

 

[pmaitra]

any evidence of this ?

Yes, there is evidence, but you should spend more time reading threads in DFI.

Narayanan’s counsel submitted that all those working in the line of cryogenic development in ISRO and Russian scientists, who supported India and the Russian Private Airline (Ural Aviation), were made the accused. The Ural Aviation was the airline which brought Russian Cryogenic engines and other relevant materials for ISRO, it was stated.

Pointing that Mathews had a ‘definite plan’, Narayanan claimed he was arrested in November 1994 without conducting any search at his office or home and no incriminating documentary evidence was seized from him.

He also stated that he had not raised the allegation that his arrest was part of a US agenda accomplished by CIA as he realised the agenda only later.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...genic-engine-by-2000-nambi/article5064452.ece

I am not going to spoon-feed you every time. Looking at the quality of your posts, I am not sure whether you are interested in a discussion, or just want to troll about. Therefore, I am disinclined to dig up old posts or old news articles.

 

[blue marlin]

Yes, there is evidence, but you should spend more time reading threads in DFI.






http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...genic-engine-by-2000-nambi/article5064452.ece

I am not going to spoon-feed you every time. Looking at the quality of your posts, I am not sure whether you are interested in a discussion, or just want to troll about. Therefore, I am disinclined to dig up old posts or old news articles.

your right i dont read old posts for one good reason. and that because its all one sided. a book has two covers. you just dont like the other side of the book. you need to look beyond the walls of dfi to get a better understanding. heres how i work . i dont bother reading old post as they are rubbish, unless i find something worth commenting about. or i find a really dumb post i cant resist commenting about. when someone thinks one thing, i think the other to see there weaknesses. i will stop giving you hassel. as yobbos such as your self are not worth it.