Lt.General Brar on Operation Blue Star

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    Lt.General Brar speaks to the Indian Express Editor in Chief for the Walk The Talk Programme for NDTV.

    Lt.Gen. Brar speaks at length about the Operation Blu Star, and gives insights how it was planned and the difficulties encountered due to the lack of proper planning/intelligence. He also dwells on the Bangladesh Liberation of 1971 when he entered Bangladesh wearing lungis much before the actual war had broken out.

    ‘It was wrong to keep media out of Amritsar during Op Blue Star. Without them, there were rumours and a lot of mutinies’ - Indian Express

     
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    The video of the interview

     
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    From the above interview

    So do you have a message now for your fellow soldiers?

    My message is, look, in this country, with the type of militancy that crops up every now and then, with our neighbour trying to fuel insurgency in the country, whether it’s in the North East or in Kashmir or in any other part of this country, you may be called upon to carry out similar operations against your own people. Whether you’re an Assamese or a Christian or a Sikh or a Hindu or a Parsi or a Muslim or anyone, just put your religion, caste, creed, everything aside. You’re wearing the olive green uniform. You have sworn and taken the oath that you will fight for your nation and you will defend your nation and you will carry out the task given to you in the best traditions of a soldier. It’s a call of duty and you will get ahead for that call of duty.

    Message to fellow Sikhs?

    My message to fellow Sikhs is, too much blood has flown. Now we need to heal our wounds. Don’t revive those wounds. Try and realise that there has to be unity between the Sikhs and the Hindus and everyone else. There is no point in the younger generation, who have not seen that period, now being reminded of it. It’s just like adding fuel to the fire. All that’s happening is, some of these pro-Khalistani groups operating abroad and in Punjab are propagating their views and indoctrinating the youth to the ideology which leads to the ensuing type of violence and mayhem, as happened in the early 80s.

    And a message to the people who attacked you in London?

    My message is, what are you going to gain by killing a 78-year-old man? If you have to do it, do it one-to-one. There’s no point in four guys going for one person. And then you run away after that. It’s an act of cowardice. I’ll just stay out there and fight it out till the end.
     
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    One very interesting point that came out from the interview that Lt.General Brar has a very late marriage and was on the verge of flying to Manila for his Honey Moon when he was recalled to lead the Operation Blue Star.
     
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    sob, you missed out on the real highlights which stood out from this interview different than his previous interviews. He has finally started to regress on the conduct of Operation Bluestar, and has started to admit that he should've conducted the Operation differently. Previously, he had almost arrogantly stood behind his own actions during Bluestar.
     
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    I think everyone now realises that the operation could and should have been conducted differently.

    I would like to believe that the lessons learnt then were taken into account when the Hazratbal mosque and later the Charar-e-Sharif shrine were occupied by terrorists a decade later. Of course it didn't turn out well for the latter.
     
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    Tronic, in this interview he has two main points

    1. there was no real intelligence available as the civilian administration had become defunct after the murder of the DSP, in the whereabouts of the Golden Temple and

    2. The media should not have been packed of from the area. It would have reported on the excess of the army and also quashed the rumor mills.
    The header of the news report says the same It was wrong to keep media out of Amritsar during Op Blue Star. Without them, there were rumours and a lot of mutinies’

    On the blackout of the media he also comments

    On the lack of intelligence

     
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    King size Salute To Lt.General Brar
     
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    They could always flush out people by stopping water/food etc. They could rely on inside info, esp from Bhindranwale's sworn enemies Babbar Khalsa.

    That Op was a show of might and it backfired imo. And due regard wasn't paid to Gen Shabeg Singh's craftiness (for lack of a better word).

    That was one of the reasons why Indira Gandhi's bodyguards decided to assassinate her. They were shocked to see the damage to the Akal Takht when they visited the Golden Temple.
     
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    During Mr.Rajiv Gandhi's time there was another operation to flush the Golden Temple. This was done in full public view and with all the lessons learnt from the Operation Blue Star. Ordinary people were shocked at the way the terrorists had defiled the Holy Temple.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Thunder
     
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    Why the first week of June??? Didn't they knew June 5th was going to be a important day for Sikh's ?

    Attacking Golden Temple was akin to saying up your's to Sikhs...something which was done in past but somehow they forgot whoever had attacked Golden Temple in the past was assassinated.
     
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    @sob

    Op Black Thunder is always used to compare and contrast Op Blue Star.

    @cloud_9

    I think this defilement thingy runs both ways; was it not an insult to the Sikh community when folks were amassing weapons inside the complex and dead bodies turning up outside the Golden Temple ?
     
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    I mean I have tried being politically correct but somehow this has never worked for me.......

    Firstly who was the one who propped Bhindrawala ??? Who let them in??? Didn't they knew he was stocking stuff in the temple ???? Indira wanted to end the Akali struggle with a bang (somethin like teaching a lesson) and the shame of getting bitten by your own dog would have been pretty embarrassing for the great leader who broke Pakistan into two but that bang ended with a hole in her head :pound:

    I'm not a Bhindrawala's fan because he was responsible for killing innocent Punjabi Hindus and that is the biggest insult to my religion.....why did they let him live so long after all the murders he committed :)meh: he was tryin to portray him as Guru Gobind Singh ji with that arrow by his side....all the time,what a faker)

    But how are they going to justify the death of 1000 people who had nothin to do with...Indira props up a guy for her political reasons...the dude goes berserk...Punjabi's and Sikhs end up paying the price for Indira's game's.


    WTF! is wrong with this Brar guy? I mean the way he's bragging about his so called bravery doesn't really help much in forgetting those horrible things.
    Woooohhhhhh! I'm a Jatt Sikh and I make the bravometer go crazy......b!tches :lol:
     
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    You haven't answered the question that I asked. Was it not an insult to the Sikhs when Bhindranwale was defiling Golden Temple ?

    A lot of people justify Indira Gandhi's assassination, but in the same vein why do people lionize Bhindranwale ? both were the same..
     
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    Seriously have you read my post :shocked:

    No a Murderer sitting in the the holiest of my shrine is a shame (the same as all the Badals)

    Now do you have a answer for this?
     
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    Bhindrawala was at verge of declaring Khalistan and was being assisted by a retired IA General (Shabag Singh ?).
    Apart from the religion bs, this operation was fully in context with what a sovereign country would do to protect it's sovereignty and i rather condemn the civilian casualties. This operation should be seen from the context of we as a country defending our home state from TERRORIST's fully equipped with Machine Guns taken hostage a monument of significant religious importance nor like Indian Army attacking a Sikh Shrine.
     
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    And the date was somewhere around the first week of June.......not the last week of May or the second week of June..... how precise :hail: Genius!

    What was the government doing in Jan,Feb,March,April,May :shocked: or was the government trying to be humorous...Bhindrwala says on TV "We declare (the army shoots him) and then an advertisement pops up "Amul The Taste of India" :pound:
     
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    Bhindranwale never explicitly demanded Khalistan, and yes he was assisted by the genius Shabeg Singh.

    Even if Bhindranwale did demand Khalistan, why allow him access to arms, and why allow him to get away with impunity for so long ?
    Why not use his enemies, why not flush him out ?

    You don't make sense. You fully support the operation and condemn the effects of it ?
    And contrast this operation with the one sob mentioned. Operation BS's effects will be felt for the foreseeable future.

    :facepalm:
    Without the support of the Congress, they wouldn't have access to weapons nor ability to takeover a shrine nor the ability to murder people openly.
     
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    I actually agree with most of your arguments. However, what I am questioning rhetorically why demonize Indira and lionize Bhindranwale ?
     
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    Neither have I demonized Indira nor have I lionized Bhindrawla but I definitely dislike both of them.

    I'm out of here !
     
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