LOC, LAC & IB skirmishs

[sorcerer]

So how is Chinese military going to back out of this dilemma. Well! very slowly.

Western media favors Delhi due to bias : Chinese Media
It has been more than a month since the Indian troops intruded into Chinese territory and ran into a confrontation with Chinese troops. The media of both countries have been engaged in a war of words. The Chinese media insists that the Indian troops illegally crossed the border and must withdraw unconditionally, while the Indian media asserts that the border area was claimed by Bhutan which asked India for help, and negotiations are needed if the Indian troops are to withdraw.

It is understandable that media of both China and India serve the interests of their own countries. What is worth pondering is the way Western media reported this China-India standoff.

These reports mainly cited India's rhetoric and what happened from the Indian media's point of view, depicting a mild India which called for a troop withdrawal and bilateral negotiations. China, however, was portrayed as taking an aggressive stance in the Western media.

India in the Western media is a victim which has been bullied by China, even though India illegally entered Chinese territory and violated international law to unilaterally intervene in the "territorial dispute" between China and Bhutan.

India has several advantages in the sphere of international opinion. India is in a weaker position compared with China, which can arouse sympathy. China has overwhelming dominance over India because China's GDP is five times that of India and its military expenditure is triple India's.

Under such circumstances, India dare not make the first move against China. If India took the initiative, the Western media reasons, it must be because China was too aggressive.

India has a Western-style political system and can gloss over its illegal acts under the banner of democracy. Since WWII, India has been one of the few countries that annexed a sovereign country. It has inherited colonial legacies and directly interfered with or even diplomatically and militarily controlled its tiny neighbors. The independence movement by India's ethnic groups and the rebellions of some religious sects were put down with cruel suppression. But Western media has ignored all this.

The Western-advocated principles of democracy and human rights are not what they are supposed to be when it comes to India.

Westerners believe India is a country of peace. Over thousands of years, India was invaded about 300 times. It gained independence through nonviolent resistance to the British Empire. The West believes India created a peaceful model of an anti-colonial movement. Therefore in the eyes of some Western scholars, India has been well-behaved and will not invade or bully other countries.

China and India have long been viewed by Western countries as representatives of different political systems. As early as the 1950s, then US president John F. Kennedy came to India's aid during the 1962 war in a bid to compete with the China model.

Currently, the Western political system has encountered a shock. The West is badly in need of a democratic model like India to revive the vitality of Western democracy.

Therefore in the Western media, China is aggressive and violates international law, while India is democratic without any problems.

It is nothing new that Western media glorify India while downplaying China. As for the recent incursion by the Indian troops, Western media have reported on the China-India standoff but turned a blind eye to the causes of the incident.

This method of reporting by the Western media has caused Western countries much bitterness. Too much emphasis on democracy in the media has fueled the launching of wars and conflicts by Western countries against others. This has made Western countries make many enemies in the international community and suffer economic losses.

If Western countries are to avoid such crises, they should start by establishing a truly objective and neutral reporting style.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1058881.shtml


A Very Hilarious article by Global Times ..

India is in a weaker position compared with China, which can arouse sympathy.

Thats why the standoff..as china cant even point a finger at India.
china doesnt have the balls to do anything with any of its neighbors UNDER WATCH!!!

China has overwhelming dominance over India because China's GDP is five times that of India and its military expenditure is triple India's.

and chinese are still STANDING there with the heavy luggage!!

India has a Western-style political system and can gloss over its illegal acts under the banner of democracy

Lieing to the chinese people that democracy is BAD and Xi is right with his stupid wet dream.

Currently, the Western political system has encountered a shock. The West is badly in need of a democratic model like India to revive the vitality of Western democracy.

chinese contradiction saying that to REVIVE VITALITY they need DEMOCRACY From India.D


Bag the shit head who is writing articles for global times..he is making china a bigger clown in front of the world..not that china is not already a retard clown!

 

[Flame Thrower]

It is very difficult for a dictator to turn around and retreat. If he does, his political career is over. That is the situation Chinese president in. He initially thought that straightening up India for being uncooperative in OROB project was easy. Well he met a will of iron and wrist of steel at Dokolam. Worst he unleashed a psychological warfare on India to scare Indian public opinion. His diplomats in Delhi gave him a bad advice. The Global Times threats were empty and had no substance. Even a limited military shoot out would have been to China's disadvantage. Hence where does he stands:

1. He received warmly Ajit Doval in Peking, indicating change in position at the highest level

2. Chinese military probably advised him that that India military advantage is greater than initial thought about.

3. Pakistan a friend and counterweight against India has political turmoil of its own concurrently.

4. America is favouring India and has already despatched naval ships abwarning to Pakistani generals tomstay put.

All disadvantages were on China side, hence starting a war even a limited one was inadvisable.

So how is Chinese military going to back out of this dilemma. Well! very slowly. First the psychological warfare organ, the Global Times will call off its campaign. Second the approach of winter would be eagerly awaited so that the armies go back home. Third, that huge campaign to enroll member states on this funny but highly expansive OROB will be reduced as a few countries which unable to determine whether it is a Chinese colonization scheme or just a road reach a conclusion. Fourth, India will ask for trade balance in return for greater imports. In return to greater trade Chinese will minimize friction atnthe LAC.

Everything was ok except Winter.

CCP party meeting is due in November. Xi has to at least start the action prior to mid October, else he is doomed for good.

If he initiates, he is doomed for good.

If skimmers happen, Chinese defeat will be 100% confirmed; if doesn't happen Chinese defeat is not 100% confirmed, but no one will hardly cares Chinese opinion.

I think we've left Vietnam and Taiwan specially for Chinese runaway scenario.

On first signal of Chinese withdraw, we might initiate some deals with Vietnam.

When China declares that it is ready to withdraw then we might initiate some deals with Taiwan and Hong Kong.

We have many pressure point options for Xi. He has to be humiliated very badly. Either skimmers or humiliation of Xi should happen by mid October.

No option should be left un-exploited by India.

PS: Mongolia was out of the box, how would our support to Japan on Diaoyu islands will be!?
Does that bring any advantages from Japan!?

 

[Est22SF]

It is very difficult for a dictator to turn around and retreat. If he does, his political career is over. That is the situation Chinese president in. He initially thought that straightening up India for being uncooperative in OROB project was easy. Well he met a will of iron and wrist of steel at Dokolam. Worst he unleashed a psychological warfare on India to scare Indian public opinion. His diplomats in Delhi gave him a bad advice. The Global Times threats were empty and had no substance. Even a limited military shoot out would have been to China's disadvantage. Hence where does he stands:

1. He received warmly Ajit Doval in Peking, indicating change in position at the highest level

2. Chinese military probably advised him that that India military advantage is greater than initial thought about.

3. Pakistan a friend and counterweight against India has political turmoil of its own concurrently.

4. America is favouring India and has already despatched naval ships abwarning to Pakistani generals tomstay put.

All disadvantages were on China side, hence starting a war even a limited one was inadvisable.

So how is Chinese military going to back out of this dilemma. Well! very slowly. First the psychological warfare organ, the Global Times will call off its campaign. Second the approach of winter would be eagerly awaited so that the armies go back home. Third, that huge campaign to enroll member states on this funny but highly expansive OROB will be reduced as a few countries which unable to determine whether it is a Chinese colonization scheme or just a road reach a conclusion. Fourth, India will ask for trade balance in return for greater imports. In return to greater trade Chinese will minimize friction atnthe LAC.

Global Times hasn't yet stopped it's war rhetoric. Just recently it said PRC has the power to make each of Indian NE states independent. Also the US has failed in SE Asia. Vietnam recently stopped an oil drilling by respol, a Spanish company due to pressure from PRC. Where's the west/US. We should be able to stand on our own. Any help is a bonus.

IMHO we only need naval support in case war breaks out. Rest I believe we can manage. But again no one knows what Trump's up to. Eg- NoKo just said f u to the US and they are doing a reverse "show of force" and more sanctions may be.

 

[IndianHawk]

IMHO we only need naval support in case war breaks out.

Nope we don't . Chinese doesn't have legs to mount any serious offensive in Indian ocean. Sending their sole training carrier with an inexperienced crew will be a laughable sucide mission. We can destroy their entire armada just by firing missiles from our shores .

But the first question can Chinese remove their ships from SCS and east sea where USA ,Japan and ASEAN is waiting for any sign of weakness .

 

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl

What did i tell you yesterday


And @Kunal Biswas thanks for removing that post.

good that post is deleted...
but in UK they if Chinese plan any misadventure they will be given befitting reply. And they end up losing Mansarovar.

 

[Akshay Fenix]

Bara Hoti Uttarakhand.

There has been an increase in IA infrastructure along the India-China border. Which is why the below news.

Sources said 12 to 15 soldiers crossed over into the Indian side om July 24, then on the next day and then again on July 26. The latest incursion came on July 30.

 

[aditya g]

Since this thread is also about LoC, some might remember the 02-03 Jan 2013 incident when Pakistan announced that one of it's soldier was killed in an Indian attack in LoC.
The reality was that eight Pakistani soldiers were killed in that Indian raid which was retaliation for a Pakistani attack in November which killed three Indian soldiers.
Pakistan covered up the deaths of remaining 7 soldiers by making up a fake incident in which she claimed 7 Pakistani soldiers were kidnapped by militants from the town of Jand in Punjab, when in fact no militant groups ever claimed any responsibility or knowledge of the incident and absolutely nothing was heard of about the 7 soldiers since.

@Bornubus

You mean incident mentioned here?

 

[Screambowl]

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Bara Hoti Uttarakhand.

There has been an increase in IA infrastructure along the India-China border. Which is why the below news.

Sources said 12 to 15 soldiers crossed over into the Indian side om July 24, then on the next day and then again on July 26. The latest incursion came on July 30.

It's normal

It's rainy season so to avoid emergency they remain prepared. There is nothing special about these deployment.

Even Deepak Kapoor the ex army chief had many times said that IA walks into the are which according to Indian perception Indian area and the Chinese intrude which according to them is their area.

 

[sum1]

Our Flag does not fly because the wind moves it...
It flies with the last breath of each soldier who died protecting it.

The dog is also part of SF...its face isnt blurred?:biggrin2:

 

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are they start sensoring news on loc.....

 

[KumarG]

The dog is also part of SF...its face isnt blurred?:biggrin2:

Dogs are haraam
(hides from the Thread Police )

 

[chex3009]

The next time the lizards grow khujli (itch) to fight, Indian Army should make sure the paper dragon is cut to size and their war fighting capability significantly reduced. Lizard can make copies of cheap toys but they cannot grow terracotta warriors out of thin air. Let's give them more than just the bloody nose for God's sake.

 

[square]

dokhlam / dolam side effects start showing

three news items !!!



Vietnam and the Philippines dive back into contested waters.
http://globalriskinsights.com/2017/07/vietnam-philippines-dive-back-contested-waters/


Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa on Monday said Pakistan and China have been facing common challenges, "which can be defeated through joint efforts", reported.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1348776

Western media favors Delhi :
global times
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1058881.shtml

 

[aliyah]

now paper dragon useing indian and bhutan media to scare them and force them to find peaceful solution.
so be prepared all ur newspapers n tv channels will bore u with war will start any minute thing....all day

 

[sorcerer]

Indian Army Kills top Let Militant 'Abu Dujana'

Highlights

• Dujana has escaped five times earlier; the last was in May'
• He reportedly hailed from northern Pakistan
• Dujana, alias Hafiz, was the LeT's so-called 'divisional commander'

Lashkar-e-Toiba's (LeT) Kashmir head Abu Dujana was killed in an encounter with security forces in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama district on Tuesday morning.

Also reportedly killed is another LeT terrorist Arif Lilhaari. Two more terrorists were reportedly trapped in the encounter along with Dujana and Lilhaari. Their fate is yet to be determined.

Acting on specific intelligence inputs about the presence of militants in Pulwama's Hakripora village, security forces launched a cordon and search operation in the area, a police official told PTI. The militants opened fired during the operation, prompting retaliation from the forces which triggered a gun battle, he said.

Dujana, alias Hafiz, was the LeT's so-called 'divisional commander', and reportedly hailed from northern Pakistan. His name was on a hit list compiled by security forces of terrorists belonging to the LeT, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen.

Dujana came close to being caught by security forces in May in the same village that Tuesday's encounter occurred in. A stone-pelting mob however gave him cover to escape. That was the fifth close escape he had.

Security forces are said to be going after terrorists as part of operation "hunt down" and on the basis of this "hit list" of terrorists, a senior official told PTI last month. These forces and the Jammu and Kashmir Police have killed 102 terrorists until July this year, making it the highest number of killings in the January-July period in seven years, a police official said last month.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ecurity-forces-in-jk/articleshow/59856930.cms

 

[sorcerer]

Indian Army Kills top Let Militant 'Abu Dujana'

Highlights

• Dujana has escaped five times earlier; the last was in May'
• He reportedly hailed from northern Pakistan
• Dujana, alias Hafiz, was the LeT's so-called 'divisional commander'

Lashkar-e-Toiba's (LeT) Kashmir head Abu Dujana was killed in an encounter with security forces in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama district on Tuesday morning.

Also reportedly killed is another LeT terrorist Arif Lilhaari. Two more terrorists were reportedly trapped in the encounter along with Dujana and Lilhaari. Their fate is yet to be determined.

Acting on specific intelligence inputs about the presence of militants in Pulwama's Hakripora village, security forces launched a cordon and search operation in the area, a police official told PTI. The militants opened fired during the operation, prompting retaliation from the forces which triggered a gun battle, he said.

Dujana, alias Hafiz, was the LeT's so-called 'divisional commander', and reportedly hailed from northern Pakistan. His name was on a hit list compiled by security forces of terrorists belonging to the LeT, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen.

Dujana came close to being caught by security forces in May in the same village that Tuesday's encounter occurred in. A stone-pelting mob however gave him cover to escape. That was the fifth close escape he had.

Security forces are said to be going after terrorists as part of operation "hunt down" and on the basis of this "hit list" of terrorists, a senior official told PTI last month. These forces and the Jammu and Kashmir Police have killed 102 terrorists until July this year, making it the highest number of killings in the January-July period in seven years, a police official said last month.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ecurity-forces-in-jk/articleshow/59856930.cms

 

[Kalki_2018]

Good beginning to August. May it bring more such rewards.

 

[Mikesingh]

Wishful thinking over China's military capabilities September 18, 2012 15:43 IST

"In my view, the most likely scenario is that copter-borne, specially trained units of the PLA will take our armed forces by surprise by undertaking an occupation of Tawang and Itanagar in Arunachal Pradesh. They will then try to force us to concede Chinese sovereignty over Tawang in return for their conceding our sovereignty over Itanagar and the rest of Arunachal Pradesh. I also expect the copter-borne PLA forces will come not from the Tibet [ Images ] Autonomous Region, but from Qinghai, Gansu or Sichuan."

B Raman

This is bullshit of the highest order from an arm chair strategist, B Raman! A heliborne force cannot act independently. It has to be in coordination with ground troops. A link up with them is extremely crucial. Or the other alternative is to be extracted after completion of a mission as a heliborne force is not self-sufficient to fight in a protracted battle.

There are two scenarios in the conduct of heliborne operations.

1. Extraction of the heliborne force which is crucial after a swift operation like blowing up bridges, communication centers, logistics bases and other vulnerable assets that will aid the overall operations of the attacking force. This op could last a max of three days self contained after which they will need to be extracted from planned RVs, back to their bases in their own territory.

2. Link-up with attacking ground troops like when heliborne forces are sent to secure vital bridges in enemy territory so as to avoid any disruption to the advancing ground troops. The link-up must be achieved as fast as possible to prevent the defenders from counter attacks which could materialize within a day or two as well as due to their limited capacity for prolonged ops.

This arm chair strategist, B Raman who knows squat about heliborne ops needs to understand that a PLA heliborne force is incapable of capturing and holding on to Tawang or Itanagar independently and indefinately. They would need a quick link up with their ground forces to hold on to their objectives. This would involve a massive number of troops with their wherewithal to penetrate our forward defenses to link up with the PLA heliborne force deep in the interior which needless to say is a pipe dream considering the combat ratios needed for such an op.

And then for the PLA it would be logistically impossible to keep their troops supplied so deep in our territory. We have an entire corps in the region to cut them off and destroy the PLA military machine to smithereens.

These armchair 'strategists' who now squat about the conduct of military ops need to STFU and keep their silly harebrained ideas to themselves.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Keep in mind this is from 2012, Back then the infrastructure was very poor ..

This is bullshit of the highest order from an arm chair strategist, B Raman! A heliborne force cannot act independently. It has to be in coordination with ground troops. A link up with them is extremely crucial. Or the other alternative is to be extracted after completion of a mission as a heliborne force is not self-sufficient to fight in a protracted battle.

There are two scenarios in the conduct of heliborne operations.

1. Extraction of the heliborne force which is crucial after a swift operation like blowing up bridges, communication centers, logistics bases and other vulnerable assets that will aid the overall operations of the attacking force. This op could last a max of three days self contained after which they will need to be extracted from planned RVs, back to their bases in their own territory.

2. Link-up with attacking ground troops like when heliborne forces are sent to secure vital bridges in enemy territory so as to avoid any disruption to the advancing ground troops. The link-up must be achieved as fast as possible to prevent the defenders from counter attacks which could materialize within a day or two as well as due to their limited capacity for prolonged ops.

This arm chair strategist, B Raman who knows squat about heliborne ops needs to understand that a PLA heliborne force is incapable of capturing and holding on to Tawang or Itanagar independently and indefinately. They would need a quick link up with their ground forces to hold on to their objectives. This would involve a massive number of troops with their wherewithal to penetrate our forward defenses to link up with the PLA heliborne force deep in the interior which needless to say is a pipe dream considering the combat ratios needed for such an op.

And then for the PLA it would be logistically impossible to keep their troops supplied so deep in our territory. We have an entire corps in the region to cut them off and destroy the PLA military machine to smithereens.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Indian Army Kills top Let Militant 'Abu Dujana'

That's a wrong photo, I suppose.

And

This is bullshit of the highest order from an arm chair strategist, B Raman!

@Mikesingh bhai, he was more of a subject expert, rather than a tactical expert. He doesn't know much about Military operations. He shouldn't have tried his hands on the subject and make a fool of himself.