LATEST UPDATE ON INDIAN ARMY 'PLACE WILL BE OURS AND TIME WILL BE OURS'

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Prakash Sharma
‏@India_Policy

Prakash Sharma Retweeted Manak Gupta

Do you expect Army or the Govt to confirm crossing of LoC, even if it's true? Especially when UN in session!

 

[DingDong]

This government shamelessly advertises when the IA crosses over by an inch into Myanmar's territory. Do you guys really believe that the government won't do the same on a successful operation against POK training camps?

Government has activated it's propaganda machinery to manage the public anger that is it. Don't fall for it guys, don't legitimize the propaganda by quoting it again and again.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Shiv Aroor reckons that some ops are still going on based on the intel found on ground, & is miffed with some journos like Mrityunjay Kumar Jha, Sanjay Pugalia, (Suman Sharma), Manak Gupta, etc. for jumping the gun.
GoI does not seem likely to do any press release (I don't think had one after we took Siachen). GOI wont say a thing. IA will say nothing. a few tantalizing tidbits will be leaked on SM, but no official confirmation will probably be forthcoming. in that case there's only one way to know, through porki proxies in India - congies, burqas, rajdeeps, indian express, the chindu, thappad, etc. till y'day articles of ndtv bore much similarity to those on dawn. if the attacks have really taken place, expect a 180-deg turn - "uninterrupted & uninterruptible talks are the only way!", "nuclear war!", "it is the poor people of Cashmere who will suffer in a war", "we are not the US, we are a poor country, don't be irresponsible & risk international isolation that could hinder economic development".... all these kinds of statements will suddenly start coming out from pork's track-thoo rundies in a desperate attempt to reconfigure public opinion against whatever action the GoI took (w/o telling anybody, another pet peeve of the burqas).

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/778660712004456448

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

here's one from the presshyas of heera mandi (rNDTV):

Why Modi Must Continue Showing Patience With Pak

But the truth also is that the Pakistan army's job to weaken Nawaz Sharif's hands, especially his inclination to improve relations with India, has been made much easier by Prime Minister Narendra Modi's actions - or inaction - on Kashmir. The Valley has witnessed unrest for nearly 3 months. Human rights violations are manifest in all kinds of grotesque ways. The BJP-PDP government is either unable or unwilling to reach out and absorb the pain of the victims, even if they are demanding freedom.

It's easy enough to point fingers at Nawaz Sharif, a man who campaigned for better relations with India when he won his own election in 2013. Moreover, the Pakistan Prime Minister has been here before, in the spring-summer of 1999 on the eve of the Kargil conflict. The jury is still out whether Nawaz knew of the Pakistan army plan to use the Northern Light Infantry to invade India at Kargil. Nawaz himself has denied it, often eloquently, including to me in an earlier interview. Remember that the conflict took place in the wake of the happy glow of Atal Behari Vajpayee's bus yatra to Lahore. How could the Pakistan army allow the initiative to slip from its hands?

Imagine the boom-boom of trade and trucks across the Wagah-Attari border and Khokrapar-Munabao as well as across several points of the Line of Control. Imagine the dissolving of the LoC and the international boundary as people travel back and forth, thumbing their impudent noses at the powers-that-be. In the new world order, marked by Facebook and commandeered by Twitter, ancient rules of the game like cross-border terrorism have little play.

But "Operation Parakram" didn't achieve its purpose of defanging Pakistan and steering it in the direction of a normal state. It is unlikely that any similar warlike action will achieve anything 14 years later.

Consistency, and patience. Those are the only two qualities that India - and the world -need to deal with Pakistan. Its people are remarkably warm and generous and resilient. How many nations would have kept millions of Afghan refugees on their soil for three decades? So what is it about the Pakistani army and the ISI that India cannot understand?

The key is to differentiate between the two, treat them as different entities. This means that the Modi government must go to the SAARC summit and show its determination to move the region forward, especially in terms of its business and people-to-people agendas. Expand trade and economic cooperation, don't shut it down. Implement the travel agreement that was signed in late 2013. Throw open the gates. When people begin to get to know each other, they will build bonds that are worth a thousand strategies. One of them will be to marginalize the stranglehold of the army and the security establishments in both countries.

The world including China has roundly condemned the Uri attack. These global leaders are now invoking the friendships they have built with Prime Minister Modi and are counting on him to deescalate and resolve the crisis at hand. Biting the bitter bullet - it comes with the territory of wanting to be a regional leader.

(Jyoti Malhotra has been a journalist for several years and retains an especial passion for dialogue and debate across South Asia.)

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

"from the other side" (inspired from the words of CPI which refrains itself from uttering the p-for-pork word)

India prepares to Attack under Cold Start Doctrine : Pak Media

Wednesday, September 21, 2016
By: Pakistan Today

India has completed the first step of preparedness to wage an attack on selective targets inside Pakistan under the Cold Start doctrine.

According to reports, India has completed its first phase preparations to attack selected targets in Pakistan under the Cold Start strategy. Sources also disclosed that although Pakistan will not initiate an attack, it would respond with full force in case of any strike by India.

The armed forces would not let Indians cross the red line, according to well-placed defence sources.

India has moved military jets and air force personnel to forward air bases to launch surgical strikes as part of the three-phased strategy.

Pakistan has also prepared itself to counter any adventure with full force, they said. The decision to cancel flights to northern areas was taken as a precautionary step.

In a telephonic conversation held a few hours ago, the civil-military leadership expressed satisfaction over Pakistan’s capability to respond to any attack

Measures are being taken with regard to Pakistan’s counter-strategy to defend itself and if an attack is launched from across the border then it would be fully thwarted. The suspension of flight operations in country’s north and sealing of various passages also came as part of the same strategy.

The tensions between the nuclear-armed adversaries have soared recently over deteriorating situation in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK). Over 100 innocent Kashmiris have been martyred and 8000 wounded by the occupying forces in recent incidents of violence.

Pakistan is up for pursuing the case peacefully in the United Nations as PM Nawaz Sharif on Monday and Tuesday held meetings with the world leaders on the sidelines of the 71st session of the UN General Assembly.

But, it seems that the neighbouring arch-rival has some other agenda to prevent Pakistan from raising voice over IoK atrocities by engaging it in a short-term war.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I..._Attack_under_Cold_Start_Doctrine_:_Pak_Media

 

[lupgain]

Best part is, this says alot

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

PM Modi's vow to avenge Uri won't remain just words: Manohar Parrikar

NEW DELHI: Indicating a hardening of resolve within the government, defence minister Manohar Parrikar said on Wednesday that PM Narendra Modi's promise to punish those behind the Uri terror attack would not remain words. "Sometimes I can have a knee jerk reaction too. But we are a responsible nation," he said. India would not be deterred by Pakistan brandishing nuclear weapons, he added.

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"...I don't think the PM's initial words that `those responsible will be punished' will go as a mere statement. How to punish, that is for us to work out," Parrikar said at an event here.

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Parrikar's comments and meetings of the CCS and the BJP core group point to intense deliberations in the government and party and indicate all options, indicating military ones, are open as it is being felt that inaction will only convince Pakistan that it can inflict deeper cuts in its proxy war against India. For a de-escalation, Pakistan would have to offer evidence of some serious and credible course corrections.

The government will not be averse to a diplomatic outcome if India's intent to use force results in some clear gains, but the BJP brass is also clear that there must a demonstrable result in light of public anger running deep. The Uri incident — a near repeat of the attack on the Pathankot air force base+ — is seen as a challenge to Modi's leadership as also BJP's campaign on nationalist issues after the JNU sedition case and recent "tiranga yatras". {They key word is *result* and not *action* though it might mean action given how loose our English usage is}

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Parrikar dismissed Pakistan's oft-repeated threat of being fully-prepared to use its 60-km Nasr missiles with subkiloton plutonium warheads as a counter to India's conventional military superiority. "Empty vessels (like Pakistan) makes bigger noise. This country (India) is a very responsible power, but that does not mean I will sleep over this kind of terrorism that is being pushed from across. How do I do it is entirely for the government under the PM to decide," he said. This comes after the Indian security establishment has provided the government with a variety of punitive but limited actions possible against Pakistan without actually going to war, which range from "surgical strikes" to "cross-border raids" by special forces or ghatak platoons of infantry battalions.

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y'day's newshour discussion on TN was very interesting. Gen. Bikram Singh and G. Parthasarthy kept repeating their confidence, careful not to reveal much, in the resolve seen with the new dispensation, the latter esp. assuring with his reputation on it. @Navnit Kundu

 

[Mikesingh]

"from the other side" (inspired from the words of CPI which refrains itself from uttering the p-for-pork word)

India prepares to Attack under Cold Start Doctrine : Pak Media

Wednesday, September 21, 2016
By: Pakistan Today

India has completed the first step of preparedness to wage an attack on selective targets inside Pakistan under the Cold Start doctrine.

According to reports, India has completed its first phase preparations to attack selected targets in Pakistan under the Cold Start strategy. Sources also disclosed that although Pakistan will not initiate an attack, it would respond with full force in case of any strike by India.

The armed forces would not let Indians cross the red line, according to well-placed defence sources.

India has moved military jets and air force personnel to forward air bases to launch surgical strikes as part of the three-phased strategy.

Pakistan has also prepared itself to counter any adventure with full force, they said. The decision to cancel flights to northern areas was taken as a precautionary step.

In a telephonic conversation held a few hours ago, the civil-military leadership expressed satisfaction over Pakistan’s capability to respond to any attack

Measures are being taken with regard to Pakistan’s counter-strategy to defend itself and if an attack is launched from across the border then it would be fully thwarted. The suspension of flight operations in country’s north and sealing of various passages also came as part of the same strategy.

The tensions between the nuclear-armed adversaries have soared recently over deteriorating situation in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK). Over 100 innocent Kashmiris have been martyred and 8000 wounded by the occupying forces in recent incidents of violence.

Pakistan is up for pursuing the case peacefully in the United Nations as PM Nawaz Sharif on Monday and Tuesday held meetings with the world leaders on the sidelines of the 71st session of the UN General Assembly.

But, it seems that the neighbouring arch-rival has some other agenda to prevent Pakistan from raising voice over IoK atrocities by engaging it in a short-term war.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I..._Attack_under_Cold_Start_Doctrine_:_Pak_Media

Lol! They can't even defeat a rag tag circus like the TTP and they say they'll give a 'befitting response'!! Zarb e Azab has taken years and they're still at it! Half their equipment is out of action due to wear and tear!

They've used massive air and artillery strikes as well as tanks against innocent Baloch civilians since years and have still not achieved their objectives. This time their Jihadi army would be up against a real army and not unarmed civilians!! They're heading for disaster. A week's war and their economy will be back in the stone age!

 

[aditya10r]

"from the other side" (inspired from the words of CPI which refrains itself from uttering the p-for-pork word)

India prepares to Attack under Cold Start Doctrine : Pak Media

Wednesday, September 21, 2016
By: Pakistan Today

India has completed the first step of preparedness to wage an attack on selective targets inside Pakistan under the Cold Start doctrine.

According to reports, India has completed its first phase preparations to attack selected targets in Pakistan under the Cold Start strategy. Sources also disclosed that although Pakistan will not initiate an attack, it would respond with full force in case of any strike by India.

The armed forces would not let Indians cross the red line, according to well-placed defence sources.

India has moved military jets and air force personnel to forward air bases to launch surgical strikes as part of the three-phased strategy.

Pakistan has also prepared itself to counter any adventure with full force, they said. The decision to cancel flights to northern areas was taken as a precautionary step.

In a telephonic conversation held a few hours ago, the civil-military leadership expressed satisfaction over Pakistan’s capability to respond to any attack

Measures are being taken with regard to Pakistan’s counter-strategy to defend itself and if an attack is launched from across the border then it would be fully thwarted. The suspension of flight operations in country’s north and sealing of various passages also came as part of the same strategy.

The tensions between the nuclear-armed adversaries have soared recently over deteriorating situation in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK). Over 100 innocent Kashmiris have been martyred and 8000 wounded by the occupying forces in recent incidents of violence.

Pakistan is up for pursuing the case peacefully in the United Nations as PM Nawaz Sharif on Monday and Tuesday held meetings with the world leaders on the sidelines of the 71st session of the UN General Assembly.

But, it seems that the neighbouring arch-rival has some other agenda to prevent Pakistan from raising voice over IoK atrocities by engaging it in a short-term war.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I..._Attack_under_Cold_Start_Doctrine_:_Pak_Media

Man I want to see cold start in action.....
Economical and effective

 

[Chinmoy]

This government shamelessly advertises when the IA crosses over by an inch into Myanmar's territory. Do you guys really believe that the government won't do the same on a successful operation against POK training camps?

Government has activated it's propaganda machinery to manage the public anger that is it. Don't fall for it guys, don't legitimize the propaganda by quoting it again and again.

Do you know that Hot Pursuit works best when there is a strong diplomatic understanding in between countries like Myanmar and India. When Rathod came out with this revelation then what was the reaction of Myanmar on this? They simply kept mum, neither confirmed it nor denied it.

But with Pakistan, the moment something like this comes out in public from any govt source, there would be a huge hue and cry across the Islamic world and Europe especially. It would be like like killing one terrorist, but getting blamed for killing 100 innocent civilian across border.

In absence of any govt confirmation, if anything like this happens, then too your opposition would keep mum. Did you know about one such operation which took place across Punjab in 90's. Around 20 odd terrorist were gunned down in a mid night operation and as a proof IA had left behind some sort of message or something there. Officially it never happened, but it came to light only when someone from that ops revealed it later on.

These news could be real or fake, no one could say. But you simply can't deny it on face. Chest thumping and chest thumping at appropriate time are two different thing.

 

[sorcerer]

"from the other side" (inspired from the words of CPI which refrains itself from uttering the p-for-pork word)

India prepares to Attack under Cold Start Doctrine : Pak Media
_Pak_Media

This is pak media reflecting the worry of establishment..
They are shooting in the dark...


Now the next spinoff would be another round of talks about tactical nukes..to bring worry through anti nuke lobby...

But
Indian political administration has already given the VERDICT on pakis tactical nukes with regards to Uri incident.

 

[sorcerer]

Government has activated it's propaganda machinery to manage the public anger that is it. Don't fall for it guys, don't legitimize the propaganda by quoting it again and again.

A fake propaganda machinery targeted at pak wont work at least on Indian ops against pak..
Do you have any idea how many are waiting and watching to pick up the single fault India makes on strategic operation to embarrass India and its establishment ?
Even the opposition group in India irrespective of the party who is closer to the ruling party will be VERY HAPPY to point such out in the media and do a chance pe dance.

Have faith in the Indian army..and dont indirectly support the notion which is fanned by some anti national lobby(and they are working very hard for that) that INDIAN ARMY is a CULT that relies on propaganda news like pakistan army.


A successful covert operation always mostly remain secret till it is revealed..but a failed one will be brought out and always capitalized on by the enemy for its advantage.

Any administration under pressure will release information if at all the bits and pieces in parts through known media or unknown media outlets whichever suits the intent.

We have anti India lobbys in India who are more anti India than pakistan media..

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Army intensifies combing operations in Uri, Nowgam sectors

Army personnel continued their search operations in the higher reaches of Uri and Naugam sectors of Baramulla and Tangdhar districts respectively.

URI: Despite inclement weather, army was today carrying out intense combing-cum-search operations in Uri and Naugam sectors along the Line of Control in Kashmir where alert troops foiled two infiltration bids but have so far drawn a blank in retrieving bodies of the slain militants.

Army personnel continued their search operations in the higher reaches of Uri and Naugam sectors of Baramulla and Tangdhar districts respectively but have not managed to reach the spot where the bodies were supposed to be lying.

The bodies lay very close to the LoC and there was a possibility of the jawans coming under fire from across the border, official sources said.

The army personnel were maintaining a tight vigil to foil any fresh attempts by militants to sneak in through these sectors by breaking the security cordon or inflicting casualties on the troops.

Low clouds were also hampering the operation for retrieving the bodies of the militants which were lying close to the LoC, the sources said.

"The operations along the LoC in Uri and Naugam sectors continue," an Army spokesman said.

One soldier was killed yesterday as Army foiled two infiltration bids in the two sectors of Kashmir.

While bodies of militants have been spotted nearly 300 metres short of the LoC, a search is on in neighbouring areas to find out if there are more casualties on ultras' side, the sources said.

Army officials in New Delhi yesterday had claimed that 15 terrorists had attempted to cross the LoC.

However, the sources said army was treading cautiously in retrieving the bodies of the slain militants as there was a possibility of enemy troops opening fire. "The bodies of the terrorists are so close to the LoC that army might not be able to recover them," they said.

The combing-cum-search operations have been intensified to cover the densely forested areas adjacent to Uri and Naugam sectors to ensure that no remnants of the infiltrating terrorists are missed, they said.

The infiltration bid came just two days after the deadly attack by four Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists on the Army base in Uri which claimed the lives of 18 soldiers and left several others injured.

As part of strengthening the counter-infiltration grid, army is firing illuminators intermittently at night to prevent more militants from sneaking in to this side of LoC, the sources said.

The failed infiltration bids yesterday were provided cover by the Pakistani troops, who resorted to ceasefire violation in Uri sector.

Army has refrained from making any comment on the number of terrorists killed during its operations to neutralise the infiltration attempts as the operations are still going on.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

This is pak media reflecting the worry of establishment..
They are shooting in the dark...


Now the next spinoff would be another round of talks about tactical nukes..to bring worry through anti nuke lobby...

But
Indian political administration has already given the VERDICT on pakis tactical nukes with regards to Uri incident.

and as has been usual, if shove comes to brawl, over the nefarious designs of the baniya, the miyaanbhai will 'win'.

24-48 hrs window of counter-offensive is another thing, but beyond that, what we're seeing above, is what "time and place of our choosing" brings about (& now the porks also seem to have pick up that line ).

BTW regards the next spin-off, its signals have already begun manifesting in tidbits via the pork-pasand proxies here, 'alerting' India about new-killear powwah pork, the importance of track-thoo die-logue, yada yada....

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Do you know that Hot Pursuit works best when there is a strong diplomatic understanding in between countries like Myanmar and India. When Rathod came out with this revelation then what was the reaction of Myanmar on this? They simply kept mum, neither confirmed it nor denied it.

But with Pakistan, the moment something like this comes out in public from any govt source, there would be a huge hue and cry across the Islamic world and Europe especially. It would be like like killing one terrorist, but getting blamed for killing 100 innocent civilian across border.

In absence of any govt confirmation, if anything like this happens, then too your opposition would keep mum. Did you know about one such operation which took place across Punjab in 90's. Around 20 odd terrorist were gunned down in a mid night operation and as a proof IA had left behind some sort of message or something there. Officially it never happened, but it came to light only when someone from that ops revealed it later on.

These news could be real or fake, no one could say. But you simply can't deny it on face. Chest thumping and chest thumping at appropriate time are two different thing.

gulf news is that UAE is spitting (fire) on porkistan.
KSA & the gulf states have a tightly-controlled media. the KSA & UAE might be speaking in one voice here.
umma-chumma asking India to crush porki-manufactured terror?!
they were already pissed with lal topi of porkistan who was subject to humiliation there (arrest & flogging).

anyway, not directly related, but thought of sharing:

Indira Gandhi almost gave the go-ahead to a covert RAW mission to kidnap Bhindranwale months before she sent the Army into the Golden Temple in 1984 - The Untold Story

Why India didn't strike Pakistan after 26/11

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@OneGrimPilgrim
Need your inputs elsewhere.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/posts/1205489/

 

[sorcerer]

and as has been usual, if shove comes to brawl, over the nefarious designs of the baniya, the miyaanbhai will 'win'.

24-48 hrs window of counter-offensive is another thing, but beyond that, what we're seeing above, is what "time and place of our choosing" brings about (& now the porks also seem to have pick up that line ).

BTW regards the next spin-off, its signals have already begun manifesting in tidbits via the pork-pasand proxies here, 'alerting' India about new-killear powwah pork, the importance of track-thoo die-logue, yada yada....

Nice to see the paki supporters doing mujra in nude.

The only difference this time in GoI is this GoI means business and everyone in the establishment knows that VERY CLEAR.

and all move including the surprise visit to pak by Indian PM (Modi or Not) is well planned and orchestrated.

Remember the incident where the paki terrorist was allowed to Hijack an Indian plane thereby enabling India to shut down the airspace for paki use thereby delaying their logistics. That was one ingredient in the whole picture of liberating Bangladesh...pakis never got the wind of India's overall design.

So every action by the establishment is planned...but the political will at CRUCIAL Juncture is what matters...and as we know from various quarters...the POLITICAL WILL Is very much there this time to get it done..

US and World nations who used to pull back India from Cross border strikes used to say "talk to pakistan..engage them"
That rhetoric Stopped after pathankot.

Russia said..we are reciprocating India's stand on Ukraine..so Go ahead get what you think is rightfully yours..

Most other nations are giving their versions which are in India's favor.

Show a strong political will...and the confidence that India has an action plan and every one will fall in line..This was NOT there before.

So we have to expect more than usual MUJRA DANCE by paki appeasers and paki supporters and NDTV inbreds.

 

[Chinmoy]

gulf news is that UAE is spitting (fire) on porkistan.
KSA & the gulf states have a tightly-controlled media. the KSA & UAE might be speaking in one voice here.
umma-chumma asking India to crush porki-manufactured terror?!
they were already pissed with lal topi of porkistan who was subject to humiliation there (arrest & flogging).

anyway, not directly related, but thought of sharing:

Indira Gandhi almost gave the go-ahead to a covert RAW mission to kidnap Bhindranwale months before she sent the Army into the Golden Temple in 1984 - The Untold Story

Why India didn't strike Pakistan after 26/11

gulf news is that UAE is spitting (fire) on porkistan.
KSA & the gulf states have a tightly-controlled media.

Now look at this first part. They have a tightly controlled media, just like China. So chances are media is quoting what they have been told to quote. No one would dare to quote otherwise or any other sentiment like ours if there is any.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Nice to see the paki supporters doing mujra in nude.

The only difference this time in GoI is this GoI means business and everyone in the establishment knows that VERY CLEAR.

and all move including the surprise visit to pak by Indian PM (Modi or Not) is well planned and orchestrated.

Remember the incident where the paki terrorist was allowed to Hijack an Indian plane thereby enabling India to shut down the airspace for paki use thereby delaying their logistics. That was one ingredient in the whole picture of liberating Bangladesh...pakis never got the wind of India's overall design.

So every action by the establishment is planned...but the political will at CRUCIAL Juncture is what matters...and as we know from various quarters...the POLITICAL WILL Is very much there this time to get it done..

US and World nations who used to pull back India from Cross border strikes used to say "talk to pakistan..engage them"
That rhetoric Stopped after pathankot.

Russia said..we are reciprocating India's stand on Ukraine..so Go ahead get what you think is rightfully yours..

Most other nations are giving their versions which are in India's favor.

Show a strong political will...and the confidence that India has an action plan and every one will fall in line..This was NOT there before.

So we have to expect more than usual MUJRA DANCE by paki appeasers and paki supporters and NDTV inbreds.

one prime tact through which the above could be 'achieved' would have been, creating a NEED of us for the world, through business/trade. its a subject of detailed discussion but would leave it at that.

and jaadugar saahab, your underlined expectation has already begun manifesting nibbling rabbits! check this...

In Unrest-Hit Kashmir, Children Lead Stone-Throwers

the 13th hour after master jaahil sharif wrote the script & bakwaz sharif narrated the script, the pet dramebaaz here now (have begun) playing the script!
just guess the proxy heera mandi ki rundie without opening the link! should be easy, isn't it?!!

 

[Immanuel]

Man o man, people Cold Start is an old doctrine and has long been abandoned, you won't see it being implemented since, we have been working with a far deadlier doctrine since VK Singh sahib became Chief.

For those who keep believing this is the first time India avenged something that happend in such a short time, keep dreaming people. IA has always responded in kind often the same day within a few hrs. In the fog of ceasefire violations from Pak, regular infantry, Ghataks and SF teams often go across drop a few heads and come back.

There are no reasons to dismiss flying into POK, there are so many proper valleys which allow for terrain hugging insertions, helo pilots in those areas are among the best in the world. Keep in mind we have a significant EW capability in those areas.

Myanmar raid was supposed to be quietly done, until someone leaked the info. I'll try to find out with my family member at MI for some details about this raid. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are indeed as good as 200+ hits. When you unleash 2 platoon size forces of Ghataks, SF or even regular infantry in a well planned raid (IA knows the ins and outs of all POK terror camps to less than 1m resolution), raking such numbers is as easy as spreading butter on bread. Most of these piglets probably got silenced in their sleep. Probably 2-3 SSG BAT teams also got wasted. There are usually 1-2 BAT teams at major POK terror camps, minor camps are closer to LOC, act as staging points and are made shift, these are harder to detect, they spring up overnight and are often dismantled in a few hrs. These are usually in heavily forested area, under natural foliage, plenty of caves, natural rock formations etc. Hence IA, IAF is looking to have foliage penetrating radars for its drones.

If indeed 3 major camps were hit, we can easily be looking at 200+ kills. Major camps usually have 2 platoons around (60) piglets and 1-2 BAT teams (10-20) and often couple of ISI handlers. Together the BATs who are responsible to keep the morale of the piglets up, give tips and tricks of the trade, BATS also perform advanced recce, they try their best to paint a clear picture of how ours camps, movements look like, what to expect etc. Often BATs will engage in cover fire, diversionary tactics to try and get the real 'daura e khas' Fedayeen squad near the intended target, along the way they will easily sacrifice a few piglets sending them the obvious route. BATS also coordinate the cover fire from the Rangers for usually the decoy groups. Decoy groups are just mindless piglets who are mostly expendable en route, but if in the rare chance they do get in, they throw an odd grenade at a crpf checkpoint or engage a moving convoy etc, then they are chased and usually end up encountered in a civilian area. BATS don't cross the LOC in normal cases unless a target of opportunity shows up such as the one where they beheaded a couple of ours soldiers.

I wouldn't be surprised if the raid did happen, no honorable CO, area commander would ever allow for 'paltan ki izzat' to be diminished. Ghataks from Bihar and Dogra probably were a big part of the force while a small squad of SF tagged along for guidance.