Latest Indian anti tank weapons and their effect on our weapons

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  1. Alpha1

    Alpha1 Regular Member

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    Let start with Nag ATGM. What is its effect on Pakistani Armour, APCs and Pill boxes etc.
    It's penetration.
    Detailed technical knowlege with source would be appreciated. With pictures and videos(no youtube)
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    NAG has failed the test... move on
     
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  4. Alpha1

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    Ok so MILAN is next! Same questions!
     
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    After that is Spike, Kornet, Lahat etc.
     
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    How effective is the MILAN an MILAN2T on ERA of Alkhalid 1 and APCs of pakistan?
     
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    I hate this type of one liner. Do you even know what problem occurs in the summer trials last year. Read the following:

    The problem with the DRDO’s anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), christened the Nag (Hindi for cobra), is its range. For most of the day and night, the Nag unerringly strikes its targets out to four kilometres, the range that the army demands. But in extreme heat, especially in summer afternoons in the desert, the missile cannot pick up targets beyond 2.5 kilometres. Once the temperature cools, the Nag’s seeker differentiates again between the target and surrounding objects (or ground clutter).

    Dr Avinash Chander, the DRDO’s missile chief, told Business Standard, “Even in the worst conditions, the Nag is 100 per cent accurate out to 2.5 kilometres. Except when the temperature is really high, it is also accurate at four kilometres.

    Nag already inducted:

    The Army has decided to buy 13 Nag carriers (NAMICA, being developed by BEL and L&T), and 443 Nag missiles in the current state. These will be deployed in areas like Punjab, where close-set villages, groves and electricity transmission cables seldom permit visibility beyond 2.5 kilometres. When the DRDO demonstrates improved performance with a better seeker, a larger order will follow.

    Official words:

    “This is a top-class missile in every respect except for this problem. While we must have a range of four kilometres for the open desert, the reduced 2.5 kilometre range is acceptable for developed terrain like the Punjab. We will buy 13 Nag carriers and use these to familiarise ourselves with the system. And, in Phase II, we will order the four kilometre missile in bulk quantities,” says a top general who decides such contracts.

    How exactly Nag works:

    A third generation ATGM like the Nag is amongst the most complex land systems. Here’s how it works. The Nag missile pilots scan the battlefield for enemy tanks with thermal imaging telescopes, which picks up targets by day or night with equal facility. Having picking up an enemy tank, the Nag pilot locks the seeker onto it. Immediately, a digital snapshot of the target is taken, which serves as a reference image. As the Nag streaks towards the target, at 230 metres per second, the seeker takes repeated snapshots of the target; each one is compared with the previous image. The deviations are translated into corrections to the Nag’s control fins, which autonomously steer the missile onto the target. This is termed a “fire-and-forget” missile, relieving the pilot of the need to expose himself to enemy fire after launching the missile.
     
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    don't just ask questions that's easy thing to do? you too discuss, debate on your tanks Armour and APC capabilities, lets see what you got and let's counter each other.
    that would improve the quality of discussion and it's the right way to go here and make things interesting
     
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    I read somewhere that the improved Nag will be on trial on 2013 winter & 2014 summer... Can anyone confirm on this ?
     
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    DRDO to conduct Nag missile test trials soon - Times Of India

    HYDERABAD: The missile complex of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) here has been working on making Nag, a third-generation 'Fire-and-Forget' anti-tank missile for the past few years. It was almost a year ago when the Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) failed in its user trials by the Indian Army in Rajasthan. DRDO blamed it upon the high temperatures in the desert where the tests were conducted to bring the target temperature to the same level as that of the ambient temperature.

    V G Sekaran, chief controller R&D (Missiles & Strategic Systems) and programme director, Agni, told TOI that trials for Nag with new 'more sensitive' and 'higher resolution' seekers being developed by the Research Centre Imarat (RCI) of DRDO here will be conducted by this month end. 'Nag' is the baby of Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) of DRDO. According to G Satheesh Reddy, DRDL director, the new seekers would perform well even in extremely hot temperatures with more efficiency and accuracy in hitting targets with new improved detectors on the missile tip for sensing heat or infra red signals.

    Dwelling into the reasons for the past failures, Avinash Chander, scientific advisor to raksha mantra and secretary Defence Research & Development and director general DRDO (Defence R&D Organisation), the high temperatures during the peak day hours in the desert resulted in heating up of the targets to the extend that it was the same as the surroundings. "As such, the seekers, which worked well otherwise till up to four kilometers or so, could not differentiate between the target object and the surroundings. Accuracy under such conditions worked well only till a limited range and now we are working on developing more sensitive and higher resolution seekers", he said, adding that the Indian Army will also participate in the development trials this month-end.

    The DRDO chief claimed that once developed as per specifications, other foreign ATGMs currently being used by India shall be no match to 'Nag'. DRDO reportedly is also working on making the future versions of the missile lighter even though it is fired from a special Russian origin Infantry Combat Vehicle BMP-2 (named 'Namica' or the Nag Missile Carrier) in its terrestrial version. Meanwhile, a couple of months after these user trials failed, the government which so far has spent Rs 1,700 crores on Nag, had to give its nod for procuring second generation 10,000 Russian Konkurs-M, Anti Tank Guided Missiles at a cost of Rs 1,200 crores for infantry formations of the Indian Army. Though DRDOP has shelved its plans to build a wire-guided system for Nag, it continues to work on 'Helina', the helicopter or air launch version of Nag.
     
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    Ha ha, maybe this line can be a good add on for my signature :pft:
     
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    Its going to be bad, Specially NAG and CLGM..

    Milan is old school stuff..
     
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    ninja dont troll the discussion is genuine n no need to bad mouth irrespective of how they got it when they come to our border we have to face them there we can't tell they got it as a aid so we won't shoot it its kinda stupid when a genuine discussion is on don't derail it
     
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    india is acquiring javelin missiles and we also have isreal LAHAT german/french MILAN so there is no tank in pakistan inventory that can survive any of these unless the thread starter provides some detail regarding paki amour end of discussion :thumb:
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    Even their best tank alkhalid has got small area under ERA, Nag, CLGM, etc has tandom warhead. It can easily take it out. Plus in top attak mode it will give their crew 72 at 4 km or at slightly greater range.
     
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    India is also buying AGM-114 Hellfire missiles from the US for its Apache helicopters.
     
  18. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    MILAN 2 is more than capable of handling Pak or Chinese tanks. The problem is range and terrain, it is a last gen missile even with the ER upgrade.
     
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    Pakistani T-80UD turret main armour is circa (depend on angle 0-30.) circa 550-700mm RHA vs HEAT. Plus ERA what give circa 1050-1200/1300mm vs HEAT. The only ask is how those ERA deal whit precusor whit tandem warhed. Single warhed can't harm sucht tank.
    Al Chalid is big question mark, but if Pakistani Engeeners copy T-80UD "special armour" then protection level coud be simmilar, but IMHO T-80UD are still the best protected Pak. tanks.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    The purpose of a tandem warhead is to neutralise ERA, 550-700mm will not stop the second charge of MILAN 2.
     
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    MILAN 2 have warhed caliber 115mm there is no super duper miracle technology here. In erly 90s penetration was equal to 6 warhed diameter, now is close to 6.5.

    115x6 = 690mm
    115x 6.5 = 750mm

    In case of the T-80UD turret MILAN warhed will be on the border of efactivness for 0. turret degree. And HEAT warhed must have some "behind armour effect".


    btw: Some ERA (like rusian Relikt) are immune to the proecursor (or other way -they are double -reaction, so precursor in not enought).
     

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