Kailash-Mansarovar for Tawang - A good deal?

Discussion in 'Defence & Strategic Issues' started by ArmchairGeneral, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. ArmchairGeneral

    ArmchairGeneral Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2014
    Messages:
    117
    Likes Received:
    52
    [​IMG]

    If China agreed to cede Kailash Mansarovar in exchange for us ceding Tawang, would it be wise for India to take it?

    Modi and Xi are going to be working hard for a final settlement on the border question next month.
     
  2.  
  3. DingDong

    DingDong Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,227
    Likes Received:
    3,664
    Location:
    Delhi
    We cannot betray the people of Arunachal Pradesh, our own people. The idea should not even come in our minds.
     
    ashdoc, archie, Vishwarupa and 6 others like this.
  4. grampiguy

    grampiguy Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2015
    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    139
    Location:
    Australia
    Really Dude?? What a load of nonsense !!!!! Do you even understand the importance of Tawang for entire Brahmaputra region and the chicken neck??

    Kailash-Mansarover was always part of Minsar principality of Ladakh province under Indian control for centuries. They were paying taxes to Ladakh kingdom. Nehru's transfer to China of Minsar composed of Kailash Mansarover was illegal and is not allowed in the Indian constitution. In future, Minsar (Kailash-Mansarover) and Saksgham Valley are going to be two crucial demands by India...Tawang is/was/will never be on the table.

    Read a bit of history..it will do you good..Your proposal is like asking a thief -whether he wants to give back stolen gold (Kailash) or diamond (Tawang) while he keeps the entire jewellery box (Tibet) !!!
     
  5. roma

    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,248
    Likes Received:
    1,862
    i have read the two posts above and both of you @DingDong and @grampiguy are right -on

    i had really high hopes about modi and still i do think highly of him

    i am a little concerned however of his body language which he displayed
    during Xi's visit last year -. i think he went a bit overboard in being friendly
    but i would be glad to be proven wrong !

    if he is going to beijing with some ideas of exchanging territory then he should know
    that it would be most unacceptable to the people - and in which case even the disorganized
    UPA woud be better than his NDA ....i believe therefore that any rumours of exchange are just that
    rumours .

    ccpland is on the way down and even if it takes another 100 yrs, we should to
    stick to our claims without giving anything up and ride out the 100 years

    there is no telling what military advantage we could one day have over them and we
    should give them a hard taste of their medicine in reply for 1962 ! ...

    it will never be too late for that
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015
    sorcerer and pmaitra like this.
  6. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2009
    Messages:
    31,640
    Likes Received:
    17,125
    Location:
    EST, USA
    No giving up of Tawang, whether Kailash becomes part of India or not.
     
    DingDong likes this.
  7. Otm Shank2

    Otm Shank2 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    116
    Location:
    canada eh
    If anything India should strengthen and develop tawang and be prepared to fight to the last drop of her enemies' blood for it. As a Hindu and devotee of Lord Shiva kailash has more religious sentimental value than anything else except the lives of Indian citizens. Bharat is it's people not religious sites.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2015
  8. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    It is about the access from east to west and south to north
     
  9. archie

    archie Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    453
    Likes Received:
    229
    Location:
    India
    In DIplomacy nothing you see is real.. you play a game of perceptions and there is no need to be worred about it.. you be friendly that wll make the percon receptive the what they say.. You will listen to someone ho is friendly tather than Enemy At the same time you can be firm.. its a game of Cloak and dragger
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 11, 2015
  10. Peter

    Peter Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    2,211
    Likes Received:
    1,127
    Location:
    Kolkata
    The people of Arunachal Pradesh share a common history with us. India should not give up a single inch of her rightful territory.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  11. Bangalorean

    Bangalorean Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2010
    Messages:
    6,207
    Likes Received:
    6,497
    Agree with @pmaitra. Whether we get Kailash or not, no giving up Tawang. That would be betrayal and backstabbing of our own citizens.

    A more pertinent question would be, is Kailash Mansaoravar for Aksai Chin a good deal? Personally I want everything, being an Indian, but the latter proposal at least is more logical because China already controls much of Aksai Chin.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 11, 2015
  12. nrj

    nrj Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,252
    Likes Received:
    3,347
    Location:
    Brussels
    Exchange? LOL

    Course at which PLA soldiers are having picnics, you will have chinese flag on many of the north, north-eastern Indian lands. PRC respects no agreements, no sovereignty.

    And why you want to give away Tawang?? Its damn beautiful. I don't want to draw chinese visa next time I go for camping.
     
  13. desicanuk

    desicanuk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2011
    Messages:
    288
    Likes Received:
    200
    Location:
    Canada
    What our leaders have failed to realize is that the ideal weapon to neutralize PRC is double digit economic growth.After that India should reverse Nehru's disasterous foreign policy that accepted PRC's sovereignity over Tibet.Tibet should be declared as disputed territory under illegal occupation by a foreign power.Further any treaties entered in to with the government of PRC by any nations would be deemed illegal because the CPC is an usurper witout any mandate from the people of PRC.Any negotiations by the Indian government with the CPC rulers of PRC should cease forthwith.India should only conduct any border negotiations with a legitimate government of Tibet.We have no border with PRC.
    Economic power is the supreme power from which all other powers including military power flows.This is one thing that Beijing has amply and successfully demonstrated.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  14. SADAKHUSH

    SADAKHUSH Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,802
    Likes Received:
    758
    Location:
    Winterland
    We should not think of giving up our claim on illegally occupied territory whether it Kailash -Mnasarovar or Aksai -Chin. Let us focus on economic development and keep border issues on burner till we are in a position to counter China's claim by making our own claims on disputed area.
     
  15. prohumanity

    prohumanity Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Messages:
    889
    Likes Received:
    547
    Location:
    USA
    PM Modi's body language during Prez Xi's visit to India was perfectly in accordance with Indian civilization (ATHITHI DEVO BHAV) respect for our guest. It was a beautiful scene to watch that leaders of two giant nations in harmonious manner interacting and giving hope to the World ravaged by savage nations leading to death of millions of human beings. They were so greedy to get Iraqi oil that they were willing to create rivers of human blood and now, you see the consequences. Western mind is extremely violent and narcissistic...they want hegemony at any cost. Seeing peaceful and civil interaction between Indian and Chinese leaders are causing restless, insomnia to them. Who are they going to sell their exorbitant weapons if two giants do not want confrontation/ What about their economies sliding in chronic deflationary spiral without more wars and chaos in the World ?
    Road through NATHULA pass will be finalized soon and crowds of Indians visit Kailash -Mansarovar bringing people to people contact and love between Chinses and Indian folks. West will be scratching it head and will be planning more sneaky ,dividing tactics.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  16. prohumanity

    prohumanity Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Messages:
    889
    Likes Received:
    547
    Location:
    USA
    there is no telling what military advantage we could one day have over them and we
    should give them a hard taste of their medicine in reply for 1962 ! ...





    The western brokers and sales women keep chanting 1962,,,1962..1962 because there is nothing more significant problem between India and China. (border issue is minor) How about west supporting and weaponizing Pakistan to undermine India for last 60 years. Patton Tanks, Sabre jets, billions of military aid against India....who are you trying to bluff...Indian do remember history. 1962 chant will not be able to sell hate between two Giants.
    Do you know who sent 7th fleet with Nukes in Indian Ocean in 1971 to intimidate India? Your hegemon ...to protect its poodle Pakistan.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015

Share This Page