Javed Akhtar talks on DAWN in a fiery talkbalk show

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  1. ejazr

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    Meet Javed Akhtar, India's Urdu poet laureate, legendary film-writer, and vocal Pakistan critic. In this, perhaps one of the fieriest episodes of TalkBack recorded with Wajahat S. Khan, Javed Akhtar defends Indian secularism and takes on Pakistan's Muslim nationalism.
    For those who have less time watch just part 3 and 4







     
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    I see Javed Akhtar in a new light.

    An interesting interview.
     
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    I must admit you made by day. What an interview?
     
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    where is part 5..he said coming back after the break. faad di saale ki. that guy had no rebuttals at all.
     
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    With so many holes & false assumptions in their theory, why do they even interview Indians like Javed Saab? Lol, Pakistanis are born with the habit of kicking their own arse.
     
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    Javed loser how can he claim RSS is a fascist organisation..JAI HIND JAI RSS
     
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    nothing beats a pakistani being shown his/her and that artificial state's true reflection in mirror, well done javed sahab!

    5th part:

     
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    Hasn't RSS said India is only for Hindus ?

    Stop being bitter and give credit where credit is due. And you say "JAI HIND JAI RSS" which means you value both India and RSS equally ???

    I will only say Jai Hind.
     
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    there should be more parts. I am loving JA screwing that guy.
     
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    The interviewer has been on TimesNow debates many a time.

    He is quite a balanced person. That is what appeared prima facie from his comments on TimesNow debates.

    However, to expect a Pakistani to speak against his country and that too as an anchor will be asking a bit too much!

    One must be fair.
     
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    Feroz Khan upholding Indian Secularism

    There was yet another Indian Muslim of Afghan decent called Feroz Khan who once rattled quite a few in Pakistan by saying this:

    "I am a proud Indian. India is a secular country. The Muslims there are making lot of progress unlike in Pakistan. Our President is a Muslim and our Prime Minister a Sikh. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam, but look how the Muslims are killing Muslims here."

    That was May 2006.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroz_Khan#Career
     
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    Pakistanis could never tolerate muslims defending India....it makes there blood boil.
     
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    well the funny thing is when it is about indian muslims and helping them in actual or supporting their stands they become munafiqs if it has something good for India. But when they need to bash India or portray bad image for India same very munafiqs become muslims.
     
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    This is by a Pakistani shameless bigot poet about Indian Muslims.

    They know that whole India stand by their Muslims and all Indian Muslims are ready to die for India.

    Read their frustration...

    Yeh jo das karore hain
    Jahl ka nichor hain
    Inki fikr so gai
    Har ummeed ki kiran
    Zulmaton main kho gai

    Yeh khabar darust hai
    Inki maut hogai
    Be-shaoor log hain
    Zindagi ka rog hain
    Aur teray (their tyrant rulers) paas hai
    Unke dard ki dawa

    Tu hai mere subhe nau
    Tere baad raat hai
    Bolte jo chand hain
    Sab yeh sharh pasand hain
    Inki khench de zabaan
    Inka ghoont de gala

    Jin ko tha zabaan pe naaz
    Chup hain woh zabaan daraaz
    Chain hai samaaj main
    Be-misaal fark hai
    Kal main aur aaj main
    Apne kharch par hain kaid
    Log teray raaj main
     
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    hit i have heard this poem. This was originally written for the people of pakistan who were getting degraded day by day. But now the same pakistanis use it against indians.

    Jalib wrote it in response to a conversation he had with Hafiz Jalandari during the time of Ayub Khan’s dictatorship.
     
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    Javed sahab just ripped the guy a new one.



    You think the RSS is not a fascist organization? You need to revisit your definition of 'fascism' if you do not.

    Btw, I've been told I'm a lil bit fascist leaning myself. But my 'fascism' is more intergrationist, as opposed to dichotomising and espouses unionism based on supra-religious principles.

    P.S. Even the National Socialist Workers' Party (the Nazi party) did tremendous charity work.
     
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    Pakistanis have not only made derogatory statements about Indians in general, but also about the 'dhoti wearing and vegetable eating' Hindus, 'munafiq' Indian Muslims, 'rice eating' Bengalis is East Pakistan and 'backward and uneducated' Baloch and Pathans. I recall seeing a cartoon of our revered Mahatma Gandhi that was in a very bad taste and I don't want to post it here. Let them make fun of others. It acts as an ego boost for them in the backdrop of a mutual history since 1947 in which they have had to face several military defeats in the hands of India.
     
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    Some "fascist" you are. There is nothing wrong in being proud of one's faith and RSS has done nothing of that sort so far. If that was the case, India would have by now become a Hindu country with brute force of 15 million karsevaks acting up as revolutionaries like Communist countries do. RSS has done a lot of relief work not just for publicity but for genuine people help here in northeast when so-called secular losers left us for dead.

    You might also want to know that Fascism exists EVERYWHERE and hence we don't need to be specifically apologetic about it. You won't be able to bat an eyelash in a Muslim country if you are not them at a national stage compared to the freedom all minorities enjoy in India. RSS is there as a counter-balance to pseudo-secularism that is there in our country. Its ideologies would have been limited to social welfare had pseudo-secularism not crossed its limits.

    I don't understand what pleasure do people like Javed Akhtar get in criticizing Hindu organizations among Pakistanis under the garb of "freedom of speech". Muslim organizations have also issued some of the most ridiculous "fatwas" and goodness knows what else silly comments in the past few years and raising aggressive slogans for unreasonable talk. If these people indeed want to distinguish rational from irrational then they should criticize such moves publicly too. RSS has by the way, not done one irrational rubbish like this so far and as a Buddhist I say this. Just because a bunch of orange-media Con- party sold journalists portray them as "deranged lunatics" doesn't mean that they are.

    RSS has done enough work without asking publicity from people, that would put most wannabe "aam aadmi ki sarkar" to shame. And since the true middle and lower middle class of India knows of RSS credentials and work, pseudo-secular wannabe parties want to use media to defame them rather than defeat them in genuine work towards the country. Rahul and Chidambaram's comments are indicative enough of the sorry knowledge they have about day to day happenings and way of life of India.

    Javed Akhtar should not have mentioned such a statement.
     
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    Pleasee, you need to revisit your definition of "fascism" too.

    The RSS doesn't need to 'do' more than it has already, its ideology preaches a usurpment of minority values and ideals and a subsumption of these under one 'majority Hindu' culture. Are you going to argue with that? I bet you've never read the RSS official ideology.

    M.S. Golwalkar (1906–1973) who succeeded Hedgewar found inspiration in Hitler. The most comprehensive statement of this exclusionary idea was made in Mr. Golwalkar's book "We or Our Nationhood Defined" published in 1938:

    "The minorities may live at the mercy of the "national race (Aryan Hindus) as long as the national race may allow them to do so and to quit the country at the sweet will of the national race. That is the only sound view on the minorities' problem. That is the only logical and correct solution."

    And no, that 'majority Hindu culture' is not geographic-based, as is often claimed in dichotomous discourse. It is purely vedic and tantric, as in religious.

    That is and has been the guiding ideology of the RSS since decades. How do I know this? Because I have uncles in the RSS.

    The RSS may have done "charity work", but so does the SIMI have claim to doing "charity work". Are you going to brand them an inclusionist organization based on that?

    I am sorry to hear your condition in the north east. And as a secular, not "sickular, suckular, sucular" or whatever kinds of pseudonyms people can come up with, I am truly sorry to hear that. But that does not justify the fact that the RSS is an integrationist organization.

    Our standard for democracy, is not the Middle east.
     
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    pakistanis need not support of a foreign nation to support its foundations, alhamdulilah pakistanis are enuf to guarentee the cause of pakistan...
     
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