Japan's china tilt:worries usa

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  1. ajtr

    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    Interpreting Japan's response to China's rise, and what it means to USA-Dan Twining


    Chrysanthemum or Samurai?

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  3. Koji

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    Even prior to the election of a DPL majority, polls in Japan have disapproved of ties to the West. Popular consent for the past 10-15 years was the realign our major policies (both business and political) to East Asia. That's where the money is, and the future. Only now are these views being presented to the media, but keep in mind these ideas have been fermenting for a long time.
     
  4. Rage

    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    Set us up with these "polls". Specifically those that say the majority of the Japanese people prefer an 'East-Asian' tilt.You've been promising us these "polls" for a long time now.

    This poll from the Yomiuri Shimbun online tells me that "68% of the Japanese people are disenchanted with the current political climate":

    http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080225TDY01302.htm

    Another "poll" from Kyodo tells me that the"'Cabinet support rate plummet[ed] to record lows of 31%" during the interim of [erstwhile] Prime Minister Fukuda's reign in late Dec. 2008- this is prior to the pension debacle which exacerbated things even further. Remember that Yasuo Fukuda was known for his undue 'pro-China tilt', and by this time his East-Asia policies were becoming apparent.

    http://www.google.ca/search?q=The+s...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


    Articles such as these, which speculated that Japan would be "more pro-China than pro-America" post-LDP, and "polls" stipulating a 'favor of an East-Asian tilt' were based on a policy reading of policy manifestos during the pre-election period:



    To that end, this article should provide an interesting read:

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...DP?&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a


    In either case, support for the DPJ has been on a declining trend, with the party caught in a stalemate between the 'realism redux' of potential losses from vitiating ties with the United States and the promises of 'realignment' to a more balanced East-Asian policy it made in its old pre-electoral manifestos, with the seeming incapability to implement.

    This is old, from mid-2007, but I haven't seen anything that is not temporal [other than a New York times article suggesting China's image had improved slightly during the global financial crisis] that would suggest things have improved dramatically and sustainedly since then:


     
  5. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    USA is not worried when Japan starts talking about reducing bases or working towards it then USA will be worried this is just rhethoric.
     
  6. Koji

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    http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15393357


    From Yomiuri
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    According to the survey conducted jointly by The Yomiuri Shimbun and a weekly magazine published by the official Xinhua News Agency, 45 percent of Japanese say the bilateral ties are good compared with 50 percent saying so in China.

    the percentage of the Japanese respondents who viewed the bilateral ties positively increased by nine percentage points from 36 percent in the previous survey conducted in July 2008.
    http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/12/10/japanese-views-of-china-becoming-more-positive/
     
  7. Rage

    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    Let me quote your own posts, this time with my own emphasis:

    The article 'Japan's Love Bubbles for China' by Banyan for the Economist has been discussed ad nauseum. Browse the many forums on the web discussing it and you will see what Japanese, heck even many Chinese, have to say about it.


    Once again, relinquish that naiveté and subtle idiosyncrasy by taking a look at the article I posted previously. Your article very clearly states that "rapprochement between Japan and China" was based on:

    Clearly, those are pre-election manifestos, to which Japanese policies have not conspired.

    As well, decisions on relocating US bases on Okinawa have been postponed indefinitely. Infact, the latest Department of Defense contracting allocations indicate work may be performed on various sites, including Japan: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0...-defense-announces-latest-contract-awards-35/

    The exiguous political costs imposed from a potential "visit to Nanjing", have made it, so far, an unreality.

    Japan and the United States have signed several protocols recently, including a pact to upgrade the Aegis WCS, as Japan has also signed a naval logistics agreement with Australia.

    If anything, noises from various quarters of the Tokyo administration recently playing up the 'Chinese threat" have in the words of one Chinese newspaper, had a 'big impact on the bilateral defense mutual trust".


    Your poll is from December 10th 2009. Don't half-ass quote when you talk to me.

    Also from the source:

    Here's the latest, as of March 8th, 2010:


    Interestingly,

    Read it with a pinch of salt. It is from China Daily after all.
     
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