Japan may allow the US to bring nuclear weapons into their country

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  1. Yusuf

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    Japan may allow the United States to bring nuclear weapons into the country in an emergency that threatens the safety of Japanese citizens, Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida indicated Friday. Japanese Foreign Minister in a briefing to lawmakers sketched out specific exceptions under which the country's longstanding principles against the development, hosting and possession of nuclear arms could be partially set aside, Kyodo News reported.

    Speaking at a session of a Diet committee, Kishida outlined certain exceptions under Japan's long-held principles of not possessing, producing or allowing nuclear weapons on its territory.
    The Cabinet of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has maintained the position held by the previous government, Kishida said in response to questions from Katsuya Okada, a former foreign minister and senior lawmaker of the main opposition Democratic Party of Japan.
    Okada in 2010 led a probe by the DPJ-led government, disclosing Japan and the United States signed secret pacts during the Cold War era, including an agreement under which Tokyo would allow U.S. nuclear-armed vessels to make port calls in Japan.
    Kishida told the House of Representatives' Budget Committee that he adhered to an earlier account made by Okada that whether the government would "adamantly observe the (non-nuclear) principles despite threats to people's safety depends on the decision of the administration in power."
    "The future cannot be determined in advance," Kishida also cited Okada as saying previously, suggesting the United States could bring nuclear weapons into Japan in emergencies.
    In a relevant move, Abe admitted last month it was a "mistake" that the previous governments under his Liberal Democratic Party had continued to deny the existence of the Japan-U.S. secret pacts, which had been declassified in the United States.

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    I dont understand this Japanese attitude, keep being non nuclear, but at the same time be okay with the U.S using their grounds for nukes, because, they need it to serve as a deterrence... while it makes them more and more dependent on the U.S.
    I have heard some rumours that if Japan wants to go nuclear itself it can do so in a span of months (I think was in a talk by some Indian-Singaporean diplomat)

    For the U.S this is nice, can keep missiles close to both Russia and China.
     
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    It would be better if India and Japan do a JV and design a new age ICBM which is powerful and very modern missile.
     
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    That seems farfetched; ICBMs are the crown jewels of a nation's military technology, and only allies as close as the United States and Britain have co-developed them (France wasn't even invited).
     
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    Japan won't need an ICBM to target China, even if Japan decides to have nukes, they'd go in long range cruise missiles and hypersonic class. We can develop ICBM's by ourselves anyway, it'd be better and MTCR means we cannot do JV in long range missiles.
     
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    India already posses ICBM technology, you are talking about 1950's technology.
     
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    Sesha was referring to a 'new age' ICBM, one which presumably incorporates the latest developments in rocketry, microelectronics, satellite guidance, etc.
     
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    India has all those technologies needed including MIRV's. India demonstrated MIRV's and other advanced tech. By placing multiple satellites in the orbit.
     
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    First, the point was that nations don't share all those technologies with each other, unless the nations are close partners on the level of the United States and Britain.

    Second, putting multiple satellites into orbit on the same rocket is a much simpler engineering problem than putting multiple warheads into multiple targets with the same ICBM. The Agni-V's internal systems are currently incapable of mating with a MIRV'd launch bus.
     
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    Space technologies and ICBM's have some similarity. India is have been developing these technologies.


    Both are similar, launching ten satellites with a single rocket is similar to firing a MIRV. The guidance of the satellites can be used to guide the MIRV war heads to their targets.
     
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    I will have to agree with @t_co in regards to JV on ICBMs.

    When it comes to long range missiles, we are not less than any permanent five's. If at all Japs need Indian assistance in developing ICBMs, they need to approach us with a request not the other way around. Moreover, why would Japs come to us when Amreeka is already giving them what they want?
     
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    That's a very vague statement. Of course ICBMs and space launches both use some common technologies, and India has been developing those technologies. But it doesn't prove that India currently has MIRV capabilities.

    First, no, they're not similar. Second, ISRO has never launched ten satellites with a single rocket. Third, the primary limitation of MIRV capability as it relates to launch vehicles is payload weight and the velocity at which the satellites are placed into orbit, not the number of satellites ISRO can put into orbit on a single rocket. 10 extremely light satellites don't mean much...

    Again, that's a very vague statement, so vague as to make it categorically non-unique. What do you mean by 'guidance'? What system or technology are you referring to? Depending on the answers, your statement becomes true or false.
     
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    Returning to the original topic, by opening up Japanese bases to nuclear warheads, Shinzo Abe has just given the Chinese nuclear forces an excuse to put most of Japan on their target list - something they were probably itching to do anyhow, but which they can now do with full legitimacy.

    This is a bad idea. Japan does not have much leeway when it comes to an atomic slugging match, since Japan is a much, much smaller country than China, and the flight time of a DF-21 to Tokyo would be about four and a half minutes (or even less if China mated warheads to its Klub missiles and fired them from Kilo subs lying 15 nautical miles outside of Tokyo Harbor - two Chinese submarines could saturate the entire Kanto plain with over 4 megatons of hellfire in less than 90 seconds).

    And while you might think that China would be deterred by the likely US response, it wouldn't, because both Chinese and US planners know A2/AD vs AirSea Battle has a high likelihood of going nuclear anyhow. What this lets China do is put Japan on the target list with minimal 'guilt', and ensure that in a China/US blowup, Japan would come out radioactive as well.

    Finally, as a domestic consideration, this weakens Abe's position with both ultranationalists and liberals; the left, because they don't want to get nuked, and the hawks, because they view US nukes on Japanese soil as an infringement of Japanese sovereignty and would rather Japan have its own nukes to use.
     
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    PSLV is a light vehicle and the thrust generated by it is also small, But an IRBM like AGNI V can carry 1500 Kgs of payload. The reason why I pointed about the multiple satellite launch with single rocket is that India posses the technology of precisely where to drop the pay load based on target designations.

    AGNI 5 can carry 1500 kgs and MIRVs can be easily fitted on to it, the missile has to release the war heads at a precise moment so that each war head will trace its own path based on designated target.



    India launched Moon mission and also Mars mission these two missions require much much more precision , radiation hardened micro chips, cosmic shields, heat shields and immunity to solar shield. Plus India routinely guides its satellites into orbits using motors fitted to the satellites the same technology can be used to MIRV war head.
     
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