J20 Stealth Fighter

[J20!]

yes they are pitching their planes for India. We are not going to buy like you buy Su 35 right from shelf. We have a very heavy shortage of planes and many of our planes have outlived its life. We are not in a position to replenish them with our Tejas so we have offered to make their planes in India if they want to sell it to us at our own terms and condition. You do not have such choice. We are not like you who are dependent on some other countries for modest stuff and behaves like as if they are much ahead of all. Regarding Tejas, you media has said that it has stealth stuff. Your media has said that JF 17 is today's plane and Tejas is a plane of future. I think you must read and believe your people and your media though you may not be willing to trust others.

What? So because Chinese blogs say Tejas has "stealth features" its true? You're derailing this thread with useless unsupported assertions.

The IAF has a heavy squadron shortfall BECAUSE ITS LOCAL DEFENSE INDUSTRY CANNOT MEET THE AIR-FORCE'S NEEDS. That's why the IAF is buying hundreds of foreign fighters at a very high cost. You're considering buying production lines for jets like the F16 which the US and its major allies are no longer buying. Why? Because your armed forces don't believe your Super Tejas can fulfill their operational needs in the single-engine category.

You're buying the Rafale because your local industry needs to learn from a foreign contractor.

Then you turn around and try to ridicule Chinese manufacturers because the PLAAF bought 24 SU35's? What kind of hypocritical lala-land do you live in?

Chengdu is churning out 35+ J10C's annually. They've already reached 100 J10B/C's produced in 3 years. Shengyang is producing a third batch of J15's and is concurrently building J16's. Hongdu is projucing JL10 trainers in huge numbers. JL9 trainers are also being produced. Chengdu is also slowly producing more LRIP batch J20's and equipping an initial test squadron.

What exactly are you trying to mock when your all mighty HAL can't even produce enough LCA's to fulfill the IAF's single-engine requirement. When the IAF has to buy foreign PRODUCTION LINES to fulfill IAF requirements, what was the point of developing Tejas? And you can come onto a thread about a jet your own industry can't produce and try to call it "junk".

Please man. Tell HAL their producing "junk" before trying to ridicule a stealth jet India won't be able to produce for another decade (with foreign assistance probably).

And not just that, the Chinese defense industry produces and sells (locally and internationally) short and long range air-to-air missiles, ECM pods, SIGINT pods, giuded bombs, air-to-surface missiles, anti-radiation missiles, self defense suites, AESA radars, avionics suites.

The J20's entire armament, PL10, PL12/PL15, sensor suite , ECM suite etc etc are all locally developed and manufactured. What does HAL and co produce that you could call the J20 "junk"?

 

[bose]

What engine is J20 supposed to have ? Is it imported or locally [Ctrl c & Ctrl v} ?

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[Krusty]

What? So because Chinese blogs say Tejas has "stealth features" its true? You're derailing this thread with useless unsupported assertions.

The IAF has a heavy squadron shortfall BECAUSE ITS LOCAL DEFENSE INDUSTRY CANNOT MEET THE AIR-FORCE'S NEEDS. That's why the IAF is buying hundreds of foreign fighters at a very high cost. You're considering buying production lines for jets like the F16 which the US and its major allies are no longer buying. Why? Because your armed forces don't believe your Super Tejas can fulfill their operational needs in the single-engine category.

You're buying the Rafale because your local industry needs to learn from a foreign contractor.

Then you turn around and try to ridicule Chinese manufacturers because the PLAAF bought 24 SU35's? What kind of hypocritical lala-land do you live in?

Chengdu is churning out 35+ J10C's annually. They've already reached 100 J10B/C's produced in 3 years. Shengyang is producing a third batch of J15's and is concurrently building J16's. Hongdu is projucing JL10 trainers in huge numbers. JL9 trainers are also being produced. Chengdu is also slowly producing more LRIP batch J20's and equipping an initial test squadron.

What exactly are you trying to mock when your all mighty HAL can't even produce enough LCA's to fulfill the IAF's single-engine requirement. When the IAF has to buy foreign PRODUCTION LINES to fulfill IAF requirements, what was the point of developing Tejas? And you can come onto a thread about a jet your own industry can't produce and try to call it "junk".

Please man. Tell HAL their producing "junk" before trying to ridicule a stealth jet India won't be able to produce for another decade (with foreign assistance probably).

And not just that, the Chinese defense industry produces and sells (locally and internationally) short and long range air-to-air missiles, ECM pods, SIGINT pods, giuded bombs, air-to-surface missiles, anti-radiation missiles, self defense suites, AESA radars, avionics suites.

The J20's entire armament, PL10, PL12/PL15, sensor suite , ECM suite etc etc are all locally developed and manufactured. What does HAL and co produce that you could call the J20 "junk"?

rage...

Agree. You are not wrong. But Chinese didn't perform any miracles. Well ok, stealing top secret stuff out of the west consistently is a miracle.

China opened up her economy roughly 30 years before India opened up hers. That is the difference you see. J20 is junk by western standards is probably what he meant. Or are you saying Chinese EW suite, stand off weapons, avionics, engines are as good as or better than the latest western fighters produced by companies who have been doing this as Long as the history of aviation itself? @J20! This is a question to you. China is ahead of India. Rightly so and the reason is stated above. but do you think it's as good as the Russians, Europeans or Americans in technical capability? China will get there, eventually. Same case for India. But a bit later. That's probably what he meant.

 

[Anikastha]

So Lockheed isn't pitching the F16 production line to India? Isn't SAAB scrambling to sell the IAF the Gripen E? There isn't an IAF tender for HUNDREDS of single engine fighters? Wasn't the LCA initially supposed to fill the single engine requirement for the IAF?

What happened? @HariPrasad-1 just said the J20, a 5th generation, heavy stealth fighter "will have no chance against Rafale or Tejas mk1+ or mk2".

If Tejas can shoot down the J20, then why are the Indian armed forces scrambling to buy foreign combat jets and not buying the "Super Tejas" en masse? The Navy just announced a tender for 57 aircraft right? Why did they waste money developing the Naval LCA in the first place then? Why does the IAF need another single-engined fighter if its sooo "confident" that the LCA can shoot down the PLAAF's whole inventory?

Tejas shooting down the J20 is jingoistic BS at its best And you can't defend it because its not factual. Its nonsensical.

Hari prasad-1's never said about LCA. He referred to upgraded mirage...yes saab and American companies are pitching in India. But we rejected them and chosen rafale. So bringing f16 and gripen into talk will make off topic.

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[Bornubus]

Lmfao again this Chinese @J20! is evading the simple point and Ranting that China is producing J and H aircraft.


Your J 15 is just an inferior copy of SU 27 and its other variant in violation of Intellectual property right. Anyone can google this fact. It's another thing that Russia don't mind it because of Geopolitical reasons and need Chinese support diplomatically and economically.


If J 15 is Chinese then SU 30MKI is Indian produced locally for decade.



Now coming back to Pl 11 is an Italian Aspide Missie assemble in China and now locally produced after reverse engineer. Before that Chinese tried to copy AIM 7 in the 80s but failed then they purchased Aspide.


If you have any shame left then refute any of my point.

 

[J20!]

rage...

Agree. You are not wrong. But Chinese didn't perform any miracles. Well ok, stealing top secret stuff out of the west consistently is a miracle.

China opened up her economy roughly 30 years before India opened up hers. That is the difference you see. J20 is junk by western standards is probably what he meant. Or are you saying Chinese EW suite, stand off weapons, avionics, engines are as good as or better than the latest western fighters produced by companies who have been doing this as Long as the history of aviation itself? @J20! This is a question to you. China is ahead of India. Rightly so and the reason is stated above. but do you think it's as good as the Russians, Europeans or Americans in technical capability? China will get there, eventually. Same case for India. But a bit later. That's probably what he meant.

The J20, its subsystems or even it armaments are PROBABLY not as advanced as their western counterparts, or even the PAK FA. I say probably because I don't know, it might be superior in some parameters, but IDK.

Does that make the J20 "junk"? Does that mean it won't be operationally effective?

The mentality that a system has to be as good as the best in the industry to be adopted by the armed forces is the reason the IAF isn't as receptive as it should be of Tejas, a mentality that will handicap Indian defense manufacturers.

As long as a weapon system is operationally efficient, has the necessary logistical support and technical support from local industry it will be able to serve national defense whilst being incrementally upgraded BY THAT LOCAL INDUSTRY.

Look at the Chinese defense manufacturing in 2000 and in 2017. Look at the J8's of back then and the J20's being operated by the PLAAF today. If the PLAAF had decided to go the IAF route and only support and operate foreign, China would be as dependent today as it was back then.

Whilst @HariPrasad-1 and his ilk deride the J20 as "junk", China is slowly closing the gap between east in west in terms of technical proficiency. And if you read USNI and Pentagon reports, that's already happening.

If you would call the J20 or its armaments "junk", give me technical specifications that qualify that statement. Not vacuous statements based on jingoism or stereotypes.

 

[J20!]

Hari prasad-1's never said about LCA. He referred to upgraded mirage...

In threat evaluation of India, j 20 is placed much bellow Chinese su 30 and su 35. It will have no chance against Rafale or Tejas mk1+ or mk2.

Again. Jingoistic, fanboy nonsense unsupported by any fact but nationalistic chest-thumping..

yes saab and American companies are pitching in India. But we rejected them and chosen rafale. So bringing f16 and gripen into talk will make off topic.

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So India isn't currently assessing bids from Lockheed Martin and Boeng regarding establishing F16 or F18 production lines in India? Maybe I'm mistaken, your procurement process is unclear and chaotic at times. Are you sure the Indian government has dismissed these bids?

 

[J20!]

Lmfao again this Chinese @J20! is evading the simple point and Ranting that China is producing J and H aircraft.


Your J 15 is just an inferior copy of SU 27 and its other variant in violation of Intellectual property right. Anyone can google this fact. It's another thing that Russia don't mind it because of Geopolitical reasons and need Chinese support diplomatically and economically.


If J 15 is Chinese then SU 30MKI is Indian produced locally for decade.



Now coming back to Pl 11 is an Italian Aspide Missie assemble in China and now locally produced after reverse engineer. Before that Chinese tried to copy AIM 7 in the 80s but failed then they purchased Aspide.


If you have any shame left then refute any of my point.

J15 isn't a copy of the Su27, its based on the Su33 prototype that was AQUIRED FROM UKRAINE. The T-10K was bought by Shengyang and developed into the J15. No kits were shipped from Ukraine for assembly in the J15's production. The J15 is lighter and has a better power to weight ration than the Su33.

Its not an Su27(a land based fighter BTW). The simple cure for ignorance is asking, not shouting it out for everyone to see. Please explain. What are you basing your "inferior" comment on?

The PL11 was built locally UNDER LICENSE from the Italian manufacturer until the embargo of 1989. It continued production and was developed locally to improve range in the PL11A, midcourse inertial guidance on the PL11B and an active radar seeker on the PL11AMR. All these and many more were developed and made available for export whilst India was developing which air-to-air missile? Right... Nada.

Try reading peer-reviewd articles will references mate:

It may be a bit dated, but its pretty accurate

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AAM.html#mozTocId280634

I don't deny that China employed license production and reverse-engineering of foreign systems to develop its local industry; but that learning curve has rapidly propelled Chinese industry that has been under embargo since the 80's. You may try to ridicule it, but coupled with local R&D, it has produced more technically complex defense products and systems than India's defense industry. The j20 is one example among many.

 

[Willy2]

Mr. @J20! deviate the debate , it's never start with production capacities of both nation , it's about QUALITY .
China have 3 state owned aircraft manufacturer/ Assembler against 1 of India along with many facilities. OK.
But is Mr. @J20! refuses to accept taht China did't steel Su 27/30 in 90s ?or J-11/15 are't copy of former Soviet jets ??
India ask fighter assembly as we don't have capacity to build 30+ aircraft year , otherwise IAF don't gonna waste money .
Neither we claim Tejas better than Rafale and then "Beg" france to give it .
How many J-10 crashed in recent years ?? why Chinese CCP use unproven WS-10 in J-10 ??just to suppress ego ??

Real jingoistic here u urself Mr.

 

[J20!]

Mr. @J20! deviate the debate , it's never start with production capacities of both nation , it's about QUALITY .
China have 3 state owned aircraft manufacturer/ Assembler against 1 of India along with many facilities. OK.
But is Mr. @J20! refuses to accept taht China did't steel Su 27/30 in 90s ?or J-11/15 are't copy of former Soviet jets ??
India ask fighter assembly as we don't have capacity to build 30+ aircraft year , otherwise IAF don't gonna waste money .
Neither we claim Tejas better than Rafale and then "Beg" france to give it .
How many J-10 crashed in recent years ?? why Chinese CCP use unproven WS-10 in J-10 ??just to suppress ego ??

Real jingoistic here u urself Mr.

You're being disingenuous. Who claimed the J11 series is superior to the SU 35? And the PLAAF didn't beg for it. They bought 24 outright.

I don't deny that China employed license production and reverse-engineering of foreign systems to develop its local industry; but that learning curve has rapidly propelled Chinese industry that has been under embargo since the 80's. You may try to ridicule it, but coupled with local R&D, it has produced more technically complex defense products and systems than India's defense industry. The j20 is one example among many.

J10A's, J10B's and the J10C's being produced right now are all flying on AL31FN's. Only one J10A and one J10B prototype has ever flown on WS10 engines.

On the other hand, 100+ J11B's all fly on WS10's and the J11BH's and J16's being produced right now at Shenyang corp all fly on WS10A's. How is WS10 unproven if it has been flying on operational combat jets for over a decade?

That's a PLANAF J11B intercepting a P8A near Hainan island. Notice its flying on WS10As...Explain how that engine is "unproven"? And why shouldn't it be used on locally built jets?

 

[Bornubus]

J15 isn't a copy of the Su27, its based on the Su33 prototype

SU 33 is itself a variant of Basic SU 27 for which SU 33 originally known as SU 27K/ SK

• Su-27K (Su-33 / "Flanker-D"): Carrier-based single-seater with folding wings, high-lift devices, and arresting gear, built in small numbers. They followed the "T10K" prototypes and demonstrators.

J15 isn't a copy of the Su27, its based on the Su33 prototype

Again thanks for proving my point that J 11 is nothing but Russian SU 33. And Russians are furious that Chinese claiming at it's own.



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http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/22-04-2008/104975-russia_china-0/

Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.

The PL11 was built locally UNDER LICENSE from the Italian manufacturer

Again you proved both my point that your PL series Missile is not Chinese but Reverse engineered/ License produced. Nobody care how you further modified it.

whilst India was developing which air-to-air missile? Right... Nada.

This and it's without any threat of stealing Intellectual Property.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_(missile)

it has produced more technically complex defense products and systems than India's defense industry. The j20 is one example among many.

Good luck for that from India.

 

[Willy2]

The difference between Chinese and Indian in mentality is Chinese are victim of "Superiority complex" and we are of "Inferiority complex" .
China is better in "Mass manufacture" due to the fact from start CCP is military minded ppl , china start nuke programm , ICBM programm etc at 50's and get throughout corporation from west due to anti-USSR stand for 70's and 80's. where we lag behind due to incompetence and negligence of politician .

Whenever we face sanction we find our way out like a river , but when u find sanction , we use shortcuts like reverse engg etc , it's the reason that other nation suspect overseas chinese where Indian are welcome as they know their technology is safe in the hand of "Indian".

You're being disingenuous. Who claimed the J11 series is superior to the SU 35? And the PLAAF didn't beg for it. They bought 24 outright.

No , I am talking about J-20 , why should I compare J-11 with Su-35 , is't J-20 so call "5th gen stealth" aircraft ??
and Su 35 is mare 4++ . what should be more advance then ??

You're being disingenuous. Who claimed the J11 series is superior to the SU 35? And the PLAAF didn't beg for it. They bought 24 outright.




J10A's, J10B's and the J10C's being produced right now are all flying on AL31FN's. Only one J10A and one J10B prototype has ever flown on WS10 engines.

On the other hand, 100+ J11B's all fly on WS10's and the J11BH's and J16's being produced right now at Shenyang corp all fly on WS10A's. How is WS10 unproven if it has been flying on operational combat jets for over a decade?

That's a PLANAF J11B intercepting a P8A near Hainan island. Notice its flying on WS10As...Explain how that engine is "unproven"? And why shouldn't it be used on locally built jets?

Really ?????? how should I know ,what this picture signify? WS-10 is almost same in specification with advance Al-31 variant ,it's need little change in design to use one engine in other specific aircraft .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

What? So because Chinese blogs say Tejas has "stealth features" its true? You're derailing this thread with useless unsupported assertions.

Do you understand any difference between Blog and an article on a reputed chinese news paper (No need to say govt controled).?

The IAF has a heavy squadron shortfall BECAUSE ITS LOCAL DEFENSE INDUSTRY CANNOT MEET THE AIR-FORCE'S NEEDS.

When did we say that it is capable of meeting Indian defense need?

That's why the IAF is buying hundreds of foreign fighters at a very high cost. You're considering buying production lines for jets like the F16 which the US and its major allies are no longer buying. Why

Yes, we are buying expensive planes. You point?

We are not buying any Tejas production line,. Who told you that?

Because your armed forces don't believe your Super Tejas can fulfill their operational needs in the single-engine category.

Do you know our armed forces have ordered 123 Tejas and More 83 order of Tejas Mk2 is in pipeline? Why don't you read something before propagating your lies?

You're buying the Rafale because your local industry needs to learn from a foreign contractor.

No we buy that because we shortlisted that in our MMRCA tender and it turned out to be lowest bidder. And of courseour industries will learn. You do not learn but simply copy.

Then you turn around and try to ridicule Chinese manufacturers because the PLAAF bought 24 SU35's? What kind of hypocritical lala-land do you live in?

You are such a typical CPC reeducation camp educated fellow who can not read , understand or comprehend anything properly. When did we questioned Chinese manufacturing capability? CHina can manufacture things fast but your R & D and innovation has same stuff as you have understanding of any subject. You are masters of copying mass producing substandard materials but you can not innovate.

You are NO 1 producer of car but in export, you are even behind India who is seventh or eighth in car production. This tells a lot about your quality.

Chengdu is churning out 35+ J10C's annually. They've already reached 100 J10B/C's produced in 3 years. Shengyang is producing a third batch of J15's and is concurrently building J16's. Hongdu is projucing JL10 trainers in huge numbers. JL9 trainers are also being produced. Chengdu is also slowly producing more LRIP batch J20's and equipping an initial test squadron.

And do I add that atleast 9 J10s have fallen down in 2 years (Declared numbers). We have our plane in making. it is small still maneuvers like anything. It has not met even a single accident. This is the difference between copy cat junk without much R & D and a product emerged out of solid R & D and designing.

What exactly are you trying to mock when your all mighty HAL can't even produce enough LCA's to fulfill the IAF's single-engine requirement. When the IAF has to buy foreign PRODUCTION LINES to fulfill IAF requirements, what was the point of developing Tejas? And you can come onto a thread about a jet your own industry can't produce and try to call it "junk".

We do not do anything very fast without much consideration. That is our style of functioning. We do not want to make thing in hurry and than see them falling miserably. HAL is exploring too many possibilities and lay outs.DO you know that HAL delivers MKIs, HAWKs and ALH more than what had targeted? They have a plan to ramp up Tejas production to 16 with old assembly line and one more assembly line is in making. How can HAL start mass manufacturing before Tejas get FOC?

Please man. Tell HAL their producing "junk" before trying to ridicule a stealth jet India won't be able to produce for another decade (with foreign assistance probably).

DO you know HAL produces MKIs? this including everything.Even engines are produced in India. DO you know HAL produces HAWKs, Jaguars, ALH, Rudra ? HAL produced more than 30 ALH last year which is much more than what we had targeted. And J 20 is not a fifth generation plane. It has no stuff in it which is supposed to be there in fifth generation plane.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

And not just that, the Chinese defense industry produces and sells (locally and internationally) short and long range air-to-air missiles, ECM pods, SIGINT pods, giuded bombs, air-to-surface missiles, anti-radiation missiles, self defense suites, AESA radars, avionics suites.

And 60% of this stuff goes to a single rogue country Pakistan to whom no other nation sells weapon.

The J20's entire armament, PL10, PL12/PL15, sensor suite , ECM suite etc etc are all locally developed and manufactured. What does HAL and co produce that you could call the J20 "junk"?

And they are junk as J 20 itself is.

Again. Jingoistic, fanboy nonsense unsupported by any fact but nationalistic chest-thumping..

If J 20 is not high in our threat matrix than we are jingoistic, fanboy, nonsense. It is our fault and not that J 20 is junk. This is a great chinese logic.

 

[bose]

@Willy2 The Chinese used to get best of USSR until 1960's, the time China betrayed USSR and fought a war with them in 67...

China in 50's was dirt poor with no technological capability worth mentioning... China got the USSR tech and machinery for industrial modernization until they fought the war in 67's... Post war China was helped by the western countries [USA and Europeans] for its anti USSR stance...

China nor has the capability to produce innovators nor scientists... They took help from USSR and then from western countries ... One thing the Chinese are good at are stealing from others be it land or technology...

This is the same China whose A$$ was saved by the Americans in World War - 2. else the whole of China would have been raped by Japan...

 

[J20!]

The difference between Chinese and Indian in mentality is Chinese are victim of "Superiority complex" and we are of "Inferiority complex" .
China is better in "Mass manufacture" due to the fact from start CCP is military minded ppl , china start nuke programm , ICBM programm etc at 50's and get throughout corporation from west due to anti-USSR stand for 70's and 80's. where we lag behind due to incompetence and negligence of politician .

Whenever we face sanction we find our way out like a river , but when u find sanction , we use shortcuts like reverse engg etc , it's the reason that other nation suspect overseas chinese where Indian are welcome as they know their technology is safe in the hand of "Indian".


No , I am talking about J-20 , why should I compare J-11 with Su-35 , is't J-20 so call "5th gen stealth" aircraft ??
and Su 35 is mare 4++ . what should be more advance then ??

Really ?????? how should I know ,what this picture signify? WS-10 is almost same in specification with advance Al-31 variant ,it's need little change in design to use one engine in other specific aircraft .

J11 is much more relevant to SU35 than the J20 is. They are completely different aircraft. Shenyang produces the Sino-Flanker aircraft in the Chinese inventory. The J20 is a stealth aircraft developed by the Chengdu Institute, not Shenyang.

I don't understand why you're trying to relate the SU35 purchase to the J20.

PS. The WS10 may be in the same thrust category as the AL31 series, but it was based on the CFM-56II core, which itself is based on the F101 engine. You said the WS10 was unproven and being used "on J10's for ego", I asked that you substantiate that comment. What leads you to believe its "unproven" and being used for "ego"?

 

[Bahamut]

@J20! What sensor and weapons dos the J 20 use for air surface operation?

 

[J20!]

SU 33 is itself a variant of Basic SU 27 for which SU 33 originally known as SU 27K/ SK

• Su-27K (Su-33 / "Flanker-D"): Carrier-based single-seater with folding wings, high-lift devices, and arresting gear, built in small numbers. They followed the "T10K" prototypes and demonstrators.

Again thanks for proving my point that J 11 is nothing but Russian SU 33. And Russians are furious that Chinese claiming at it's own.



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http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/22-04-2008/104975-russia_china-0/

Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.






Again you proved both my point that your PL series Missile is not Chinese but Reverse engineered/ License produced. Nobody care how you further modified it.


This and it's without any threat of stealing Intellectual Property.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_(missile)






Good luck for that from India.

Where is that legal case? None has ever been filed. In fact they just sold the SU35 to the PLAAF... Where is the outrage you just mentioned?

PL is a designation for "air-to-air missile" in the PLA. It's not a series. Missiles like the PL5, PL8 and PL11 were derived from Licensed copies, improved, adopted and exported. PL12 and PL10 are not "Reverse engineered/License produced".

Regardless, all those missiles developed the local defense manufacturing industry to a level that"s far ahead of its Indian counterpart. You can try calling them "not Chinese" but fact of the matter is that they are, and that they work as advertised and are being sold internationally.

Who has India sold Astra to? No-one. Is it being used by the entire IAF inventory of jets? No, because all of the IAF's inventory is IMPORTED. All locally manufactured jets in the PLAAF and PLANAF use locally produced missiles, armaments, pods and avionics...

You may be patting yourself on the back for "not copying", but where is your aerospace industry compared to China's?

 

[J20!]

If J 20 is not high in our threat matrix than we are jingoistic, fanboy, nonsense. It is our fault and not that J 20 is junk. This is a great chinese logic.

Where is this "threat matrix"? I asked to see it and yet all your posting is your usual unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

The thing is china has higher budget for research
And @J20!
Compare Tejas Mk1A
To j10
You would know the difference
And also Indias Aviation Industry Right Now isn't 'junk' as you claim Just wait 3 -4 Years you would know the difference