It belongs to China

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Seriously what are you smoking, dude?

Your own sentence: China has dispute with all its neighbours. Some are resolved, some are under freeze.

You do realise it is a contradiction, right? How can you have a dispute if it is solved? Once again, what are you smoking?

I should have used had instead of has. Hope it clears the point now.

Have you ever used a map to see what countries bordering China? All of them have disputes with China? Seriously,
learn to read a map.

Do you even know what a border dispute is?

A territorial dispute is a disagreement over the possession/control of land between two or more states or over the possession or control of land.

That is quite different than overlapping claims in EEZ. We are only talking about land border here.

I did not make a distinction between border/territorial dispute in my posts. Who said its only about land border??

If we follow your logic, then all the involving countries have overlapping claims including Vietnam, Phillipine, Malaysia, China, Brunei and Taiwan. Then why single out China? They all have disputes with each other.

They have disputes with each other but China is singled out because it has disputes all around itself. And you are here putting forth Chinese claim to the Scarborough Shoal

And who is the rest of the world you are talking about. Do give me a source that states that Tibet or Taiwan is a disputed area. Who is the "world"? UN? US? Phillipine? Provide an authentic source. Otherwise it is just your fantasy.

Oh yeah..I forgot they do not exist as separate entities for you. PRC has complete claim and control over these two nations. Another link for you to improve your information:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
Look under transnational issues. Apparently China has one of the longest articles detailing transnational issues! And territorial/border disputes with almost everyone.

And for the last time. The only country China has a dispute with on land is India. Do your homework.

So what were the other disputes I provided you with in the links above! So, its you who need to do some homework now.

 

[pmaitra]

and Ussuri River?

That was the silliest of all - just for a small piece of sedimentary collection of soil, i.e. an island in the middle of Ussuri river, these buggers invaded USSR, and got their posteriors handed down to them.

Just like BlackWater says, PRC should identify its aukaat!

 

[J20!]

It is China who claims that world is theirs because of maps.

Here is a refresher for your tired memory

China map lays claim to Americas

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China map lays claim to Americas

Don't be a jhantu.

Actually with all this, China becomes the world's laughing stock!

Ray what are you saying? Because we might have discovered the Americas before Columbus we're a laughing stock? Stop being a prat. You're just going off topic because its indisputable that the Scarborough shoals are Chinese, and that all your claims about China bullying the Philippines were rubbish.

PS. The Filipinos really should stop pushing their luck though, or this could end very badly for them.

 

[cir]

Lives have diffrent forms， some high， some low，some pathetic。

 

[pmaitra]

Lives have diffrent forms， some high， some low，some pathetic。

How philosophical. Which one best describes your life? Just curious.

 

[William of Tyre]

Again, as always, just your imagination, no facts, no valid point.

Then just bring it before the ITLOS for Christ's sake...... or just fire the first shot, and let all hell break lose.... come'on don't be afraid now...

 

[William of Tyre]

Seriously what are you smoking, dude?

Your own sentence: China has dispute with all its neighbours. Some are resolved, some are under freeze.

You do realise it is a contradiction, right? How can you have a dispute if it is solved? Once again, what are you smoking?

Have you ever used a map to see what countries bordering China? All of them have disputes with China? Seriously,
learn to read a map.

Do you even know what a border dispute is?

A territorial dispute is a disagreement over the possession/control of land between two or more states or over the possession or control of land.

That is quite different than overlapping claims in EEZ. We are only talking about land border here.

If we follow your logic, then all the involving countries have overlapping claims including Vietnam, Phillipine, Malaysia, China, Brunei and Taiwan. Then why single out China? They all have disputes with each other.

And who is the rest of the world you are talking about. Do give me a source that states that Tibet or Taiwan is a disputed area. Who is the "world"? UN? US? Phillipine? Provide an authentic source. Otherwise it is just your fantasy.

And for the last time. The only country China has a dispute with on land is India. Do your homework.[/QU

A die-hard narrow minded chicom indeed.

 

[William of Tyre]

China is obsessed with making it look like that she is a victim of her neighbors (even tiny nations). What a crap of thinking. I wonder where they get that logic. If that 12th century map is the basis of their claims, then they should claim all the continents and islands that appears there, not just a tiny little shoal...... Plain stupidity at its best.

 

[Oblaks]

Mr. thread starter, to reply to this thread can you please let us know your intention wether it is to imply that:
a) even Philippine journalist believe that the Scarborough Shoal and the Spratly's belong to China
or
b) it's just that you share the same stand and reasoning with the author?

either way, you can find my 2 cents below:
a) This article was written by a retired banker. He is not even a journalist nor a politician nor a law specialist. He submitted the article under a program of a local newspaper website which is open to any citizen. It is just an opinion of an ordinary citizen which I believe is based entirely on wikipedia. And this is normal in the Philippines as there is a freedom in journalism and everybody wants to make a stir out of any issue. If he had done this in China, he would have been arrested

b) You were noting on the article that "UNCLOS cannot supersede a treaty between colonial powers". The Spratlys, according to the treaty of Paris are within Philippine territory. While the Scarborough Shoal is not. On the other hand no treaties also define that the shoal is Chinese teritory. None of the Philippine constitutions drew the baselines to include scarborough as it is considered as rocks which cannot generate its own contigous zone and EEZ. But based on the western coast of Luzon The country's largest island, it will belong to the country's EEZ which is 200NM from the coast. The Spratlys were not included in the baselines law under the Philippine constitution but declared the island as "regime" island which can generate their own territorial limits. As for the maps, don't even talk about it as it will not matter in international courts as it is unilateral. The basis of acquiring a territory is effective occupation and administration which the Chinese did not do. To sum it all up.. no treaties awards the shoal to anaybody, maps have been presented by each country claiming the shoal. Now please let me know... what will be the deciding factor on who has the right over it???

 

[Ray]

Now please let me know... what will be the deciding factor on who has the right over it???

The answer from the Chinese would be the obvious - China!

China decides everything!

The Middle Kingdom and all that jazz!

 

[Ray]

China is obsessed with making it look like that she is a victim of her neighbors (even tiny nations). What a crap of thinking. I wonder where they get that logic. If that 12th century map is the basis of their claims, then they should claim all the continents and islands that appears there, not just a tiny little shoal...... Plain stupidity at its best.

Have you seen pirhanas at work?

Nibble, nibble, nibble.

Going, going GONE!

 

[Ray]

Curryguy,

You seem to be going off your top!

It is time you take a hold of yourself.

Let it be a friendly tip as of now or else you may have to drink something to drown your sorrows.

Note; This is a friendly advice from the High Priest of Yamamoto and Yokoyoko and also of Pingpongdong, namely, me!

 

[techsupport]

Provide an authentic source. Otherwise it is just your fantasy.

And for the last time. The only country China has a dispute with on land is India. Do your homework.

Ancient map. An authentic source from a country known to fake everything notably with regards to age? and OMG! Tibet and Taiwan are bodies of water now? Really? :shocked:

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

last i heard Chinese had laid claims to mars and pluto. they had even produced maps and proved to the world that these two planets were conquered by XIA dynasty in year 2100 BC.

 

[rock127]

It belongs to China - Manila Standard Today - Daily news, current events, latest news in the Philippines

It belongs to China
Posted April 28th, 2012 by Manila Standard Today & filed under Opinion.

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By Victor N. Arches II

The Scarborough Shoal does belong to China which discovered it and drew it in a map as early as 1279 during the Yuan Dynasty. Chinese fishermen, from both the Mainland and Taiwan, have since used it. As a matter of fact, Guo Shoujing, (the Chinese astronomer, engineer and mathematician who worked under the Mongol ruler, Kublai Khan) performed surveying of the South China Sea, and the surveying point was the Scarborough Shoal which is considered part of the Zhongsha Islands (renamed Huangyan Island in 1983).

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Let the flamming begin!

This is the ORIGINAL CHINA ie. the dark brown area. This belongs to China.Go and read your history Chinese fanboys.

 

[Ray]

That is China for you.

Expansionist and Imperialist!

 

[ice berg]

Mr. thread starter, to reply to this thread can you please let us know your intention wether it is to imply that:
a) even Philippine journalist believe that the Scarborough Shoal and the Spratly's belong to China
or
b) it's just that you share the same stand and reasoning with the author?

either way, you can find my 2 cents below:
a) This article was written by a retired banker. He is not even a journalist nor a politician nor a law specialist. He submitted the article under a program of a local newspaper website which is open to any citizen. It is just an opinion of an ordinary citizen which I believe is based entirely on wikipedia. And this is normal in the Philippines as there is a freedom in journalism and everybody wants to make a stir out of any issue. If he had done this in China, he would have been arrested

b) You were noting on the article that "UNCLOS cannot supersede a treaty between colonial powers". The Spratlys, according to the treaty of Paris are within Philippine territory. While the Scarborough Shoal is not. On the other hand no treaties also define that the shoal is Chinese teritory. None of the Philippine constitutions drew the baselines to include scarborough as it is considered as rocks which cannot generate its own contigous zone and EEZ. But based on the western coast of Luzon The country's largest island, it will belong to the country's EEZ which is 200NM from the coast. The Spratlys were not included in the baselines law under the Philippine constitution but declared the island as "regime" island which can generate their own territorial limits. As for the maps, don't even talk about it as it will not matter in international courts as it is unilateral. The basis of acquiring a territory is effective occupation and administration which the Chinese did not do. To sum it all up.. no treaties awards the shoal to anaybody, maps have been presented by each country claiming the shoal. Now please let me know... what will be the deciding factor on who has the right over it???

Neither a or b actually.
I prefer a debate which addresses the points he made.

I find his background irrelevant for this discussion. It is more about the points he is making. If you disagree with that, why dont you provide the evidence ?

And maps wont matter in international courts? I assume you have never heard about ICJs rulings concerning Cambodia v. Thailand in 62?

Once again. Do your homework. :cool2:

 

[ice berg]

This is the ORIGINAL CHINA ie. the dark brown area. This belongs to China.Go and read your history Chinese fanboys.

A map from stone age is somehow relevant for this discussion? Did someone throw a rock at your head when you were young?

You dont know that borders can change from time to time? Take a look at India. You will notice something interesting.
Current map isnt the same as the one for 3000 years ago. Surprise!

 

[Ray]

Neither a or b actually.
I prefer a debate which addresses the points he made.

I find his background irrelevant for this discussion. It is more about the points he is making. If you disagree with that, why dont you provide the evidence ?

And maps wont matter in international courts? I assume you have never heard about ICJs rulings concerning Cambodia v. Thailand in 62?

Once again. Do your homework. :cool2:

Maps matter, but not fairy tales like China's claim of the Americas.

 

[Ray]

A map from stone age is somehow relevant for this discussion? Did someone throw a rock at your head when you were young?

You dont know that borders can change from time to time? Take a look at India. You will notice something interesting.
Current map isnt the same as the one for 3000 years ago. Surprise!

Is the Chinese map 3000 year old?

The written history of China can be found as early as the Shang Dynasty (c. 1700–1046 BC).

The Records of the Grand Historian and the Bamboo Annals are based on hearsay to a great extent.And that too is not 3000 years old.

Surprise, surprise for you!

Any map should be OK if you can claim that maps produced by China is good enough authority.

A map from stone age is somehow relevant for this discussion? Did someone throw a rock at your head when you were young?

Though not addressed to me, but they should be maps and not fairy tale drawings of an over fertile, heated mind!

Were you saved from drowning when you were young and the water has still not drained out of your brain and is exerting pressure on the analytical area of the brain and easing on the imagination part of the brain?

How about the map of Tibet?