Israel-Iran relations

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  1. Yusuf

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    According to me, Iran and Israels current relations are a result of the earlier support of US and Israel for the Pahalvi dynasty. Till then the Iranians never had a problem with Israel and they also had people to people contact and there still is a considerable Jewish population in Iran.

    From the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 until the Iranian Revolution and the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty in 1979, Israel and Iran maintained close ties. Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel as a sovereign nation after Turkey. Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery. Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as an unofficial de facto embassy.
    After the Six Day War, Iran supplied Israel with a significant portion of its oil needs and Iranian oil was shipped to European markets via the joint Israeli-Iranian Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline. Brisk trade between the countries continued until 1979. Israeli construction firms and engineers were active in Iran. Iranian-Israeli military links and projects were kept secret, but they are believed to have been wide-ranging, for example the joint military project Project Flower (1977-79), an Iranian-Israeli attempt to develop a new missile.
    In spite of all those ties and trades, Iran voted in support of the UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 in 1975 which equated Zionism with racism (the resolution, however, was later revoked with Resolution 4686 in 1991, which post-revolution Iran voted against).


    During Ayatollah Khomeini's campaign to overthrow Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Israel, which had relatively warm relations with the Shah, became an issue. Khomeini declared Israel an "enemy of Islam" and 'The Little Satan' - the United States was called 'The Great Satan'.
    Debate still runs as to whether Khomeini called out: “Israel must be wiped off the map” indicating military action and destruction, or: “this regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time” indicating a hope or wish (see Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel#"Wiped off the map" or "Vanish from the pages of time" translation).
    After the second phase of the 1979 Iranian Revolution which witnessed the establishment of the Islamic Republic, Iran cut off all official relations; official statements, state institutes, events and sanctioned initiatives adopted a sharp anti-Zionist stance.
    According to Dr. Trita Parsi, author of "Treacherous Alliance - The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States," (Yale University Press, 2007), Iran's strategic imperatives compelled the Khomeini government to maintain clandestine ties to Israel, while hope that the periphery doctrine could be resurrected motivated the Jewish State's assistance to Iran.

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in December 2000 called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that should be removed from the region. In 2005 he emphasized that “Palestine belongs to Palestinians, and the fate of Palestine should also be determined by the Palestinian people”.
    Also in 2005 Khamenei responded to President Ahmadinejad's alleged remark that Israel should be "wiped off the map" by saying that "the Islamic Republic has never threatened and will never threaten any country."

    Under reformist Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, elected in 1997, some believed Iran–Israel relations would improve. Khatami called Israel an "illegal state" and a "parasite,"[18] but also said in 1999 Jews would be "safe in Iran" and all religious minorities would be protected.

    A report indicates that Iran tried in 2003 to initiate a rapprochement with Israel by recognizing its existence in a proposal to the United States. The report claims that Iran's peace proposal with Israel was not accepted by the United States.


    In January 2004, Khatami spoke to an Israeli reporter who asked him on what grounds Iran would recognize Israel. This was believed to be the first time he had spoken publicly with an Israeli.
    At the funeral of Pope John Paul II in April 2005, Khatami was seated close to the Iranian-born Israeli President Moshe Katsav, who is from the same province, the Yazd Province, as Khatami. Katsav said that he shook Khatami's hand and the two had a brief conversation about Iran. However, Khatami denied this

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in office since August 2005, at the October 2005 "World Without Zionism" conference in Teheran adopted a sharp anti-Zionist stance.
    On December 8, 2005, during a summit of Muslim nations in Islam's holy city of Mecca, Ahmadinejad told Iran's Arabic channel Al-Alam a complicated story on Holocaust and the establishment of Israel. Since then, he regularly makes statements pertaining to these topics.

    Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war

    According to Ronen Bergman, Israel sold Iran US$75 million worth of arms from stocks of Israel Military Industries, Israel Aircraft Industries and Israel Defense Force stockpiles, in their Operation Seashell in 1981. Materiel included 150 M-40 antitank guns with 24,000 shells for each gun, spare parts for tank and aircraft engines, 106 mm, 130 mm, 203 mm and 175 mm shells and TOW missiles. This materiel was transported first by air by Argentine airline Transporte Aéreo Rioplatense and then by ship.
    According Trita Parsi, Israeli support for Iran consisted of several elements:
    Arms sales to Iran that totaled an estimated $500 million from 1980 to 1983 according to the Jaffee Institute for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. Most of it was paid for by Iranian oil delivered to Israel. "According to Ahmad Haidari, "an Iranian arms dealer working for the Khomeini regime, roughly 80% of the weaponry bought by Tehran" immediately after the onset of the war originated in Israel.
    Arms shipments from the U.S. to Iran in the Iran-Contra Affair facilitated by Israel.
    Israel's June 7, 1981 attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor which set back Iraq's nuclear program. The reactor was thought to be producing material for nuclear bomb which Iraq was likely to first use against Iran.
    Israel is also reported to have supplied instructors and non-armaments help to Iran for the war effort.
    According to Mark Phythian, the fact "that the Iranian air force could function at all" after Iraq's initial attack and "was able to undertake a number of sorties over Baghdad and strike at strategic installations" was "at least partly due to the decision of the Reagan administration to allow Israel to channel arms of US origin to Iran to prevent an easy and early Iraqi victory."

    According to John Bulloch and Harvey Morris, the Israelis devised and manufactured the huge, lightweight polystyrene blocks which the Iranian assault forces carried with them to build instant makeshift causeways across the shallow Iraqi water defences in front of Basra; Israel kept Iranian planes flying in spite of a lack of spares; and Israeli instructors taught Iranian commanders how to handle troops.
    Despite all the speeches of Iranian leaders and the denunciation of Israel at Friday prayers, there were never less than about a 100 Israeli advisers and technicians in Iran at any time throughout the war, living in a carefully guarded and secluded camp just north of Tehran; they remained there even after the ceasefire


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    Interesting.
     
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    That's it???
     
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    Never knew they were cooperated so closely before. Could this mean that Iran would have been soundly beaten without the equipments and advice given by the Israelis? Unfortunately for Israel the serpent that it tried to help in the 80s has not grew and it's poised to strike it, unless it can strike first...
     
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    You missed the part of Iran Iraq war. It was after the Iranian revolution. Israel has already been declared Satan but they cooperated in the war. Israel made money from it as well as kept Iran and Iraq fighting. Remember Iraq was armed by the US. Israel sells weapons to anyone. Iran was more than happy to buy. Apparently Israel helped the Tomcats get in the air which were mothballed due to lack of spares.

    Anyways, I feel if Israel was not too supportive of the earlier corrupt regime of the Pahalvis, we probably would not have had a revolution in Iran and if at all, they would not have been anti Israel. The point to understand is that Iran is against Israel for its earlier supporting hand in overthrowing an elected regime and installing the King with the US support and then helping the king suppress his people.
     
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    We all know that the Pahlavi dynasty was reinstalled after the removal of Mossadegh. What's strikes me as odd is how the Ayatollah led Iran managed to embrace Israeli assistance when the latter was instrumental in the installation of the King that they just deposed (albeit with much bloodshed)... ?
     
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    contrary to what you think geopolitics is not black and white or good vs evil. It is always about interests.
     
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    We all know what "interests" are in foreign relations. But what strikes me as odd is the dept to which the Mullahs in Iran are prepared to swallow their own words against Israel just to save their bottoms...

    I call it desperation.This time around I hope the Ayatollah has maintained some connection with the Israelis in case he wants to do a Kruschev secret turn around to save his hide...
     
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    Iran was desparate in the war and Israel saw twin reasons to help Iran, money as well as keeping two regional countries fighting and killing each other.

    International relations are totally driven by national interests. Israel would even sell to te Chinese.
     
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    I think one reason why Israel was approached then was that some officials in the Iranian (professional), those that managed to escape the post-revolt purge, military still had contacts within Israel. Now I think these contacts are long gone...

    Re interests, the interests of the Mullahs in Iran have always been to save their own iron grip on Iran. This manic fixation with nukes is just the ultimate expression of their selfish motives to perpetuate themselves in power. This has nothing to do with improving the lives of their people.
     
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    almost all the rants of the mullah brigrade is for internal consumption and to keep themselves in power by projecting themselves as saviours to there own people against outsiders.
     
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    Irsnian economy is doing pretty well in te face of sanctions. Positive growth all these years. They have decent per capita considering the sanctions.

    See at the end of the day it's all about national interests. From the Iranian point of view they are perfectly justified in their pursuit of nukes (if at all). From our point of view it's a dangerous thing with nightmare scenarios. And yes the powerful countries try to force their will on others which has made smaller nations to look for counter measures.
     
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    They actually still can export oil and that's what's keeping their economy pumped up. But with the oil sanctions looming and removal from SWIFT we'll see if the regime can still claim economic as part of their accomplishment.
     

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