Israel eying Pakistan as ally in Muslim world

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  1. ejazr

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    Daily Times -Israel eying Pakistan as ally in Muslim world

    * Israeli officials say Muslim world only focusing on Palestine, not on killings in Indian-held Kashmir

    * Pakistan not an enemy, too distant from Israel


    By Iftikhar Gilani

    TEL AVIV: A group of Indian journalists visiting Israel encountered a ‘surprising situation’ in Israel, when a top Israeli foreign office official compared human suffering in Darfour with the plight of people in the Indian-held Kashmir.

    Support for Kashmir and Pakistan’s efforts to contain terrorism from unexpected quarters in Tel Aviv, indicated a sublime possibility of Israel and Pakistan slowly warming up to each other.

    Facing the heat from Turkey and Iran, coupled with the death of Arab nationalism and rising extremism in the region, Israeli strategists seem looking for an alternate ally in the Muslim world.

    At the Israeli Foreign Office building in the outskirts of west Jerusalem, a senior official was in a rage against the UN and the Muslim world.

    “The UN is biased against Israel because two-thirds of the member countries are Arab and/or Muslim countries. Too much attention is given to Israel and too little time spent on debating and bringing out investigative reports on the real sufferings in Darfour and Kashmir,” he said. He was even more enraged at the Muslim world for ignoring the daily deaths in Kashmir and only on focusing at the “few incidents” in Palestine.

    Earlier, Col Miri Eisin, the former spokesman of Israeli prime minister, told the Indian journalists that Pakistan was not an enemy state (for Israel). “We are distant from it. It is not a threat for us,” she said.

    One of Israel’s top strategists, Prof Eyal Zisser, the director of the Moshe Dayan Centre, reminded the Indian delegation that unlike IHK, his country had accepted Palestine as an international problem. He also “lamented” that more people were getting killed in IHK and the world did not notice the killings.

    Supporting Pakistan’s efforts to contain terrorism, he called for providing the full support to the Pakistan government. “In Pakistan, it is better to have a government in control of affairs. If the Pakistani government collapses, what is the alternative? Better have a government, than the Taliban taking over as your neighbour,” he told the Indian delegation.

    Far from Tel Aviv near the northern most tip of Israel, bordering Lebanon around Zarit village, spokesman of Israeli’s northern command Captain Mitch Pilcer also refused to draw parallels between Israel and India. He praised Islamabad for having an established military unlike the neighbours of Israel. “Pakistan is a different case. It has an established military. There is a government whom you can talk to. There is a circle of people,” he said.

    International director of American Jewish Council, Rabbi David Rosen, argued that an early resolution of Palestinian problem would help Pakistan and stabilise it to fight terrorists.

    Chaim Choshen, the director of South and South East Asia Division in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, however, said that official relations with Pakistan had not moved beyond the handshake between former president Pervez Musharraf and former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon in September 2005 in New York. “He is no longer in power. We don’t have further communication,” said the foreign ministry official.

    Israeli officials believe since they have no real direct conflict with Pakistan, there is no reason not to have diplomatic relations. They believe that Islamabad could be amongst countries who are “on the fringe” awaiting to establish relations with Tel Aviv.
     
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  3. SHASH2K2

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    I think this is one more imagination of Pakistani conspiracy theory specialists. This was a general statement by Israel about all disputed areas across the world and kashmir was also included in that . Israel also clarified on that and all of sudden a new theory originating from Bakistan.
    Hold of Pakistan among Muslim world is evident from amount of Aid they received . Israel is not a fool like the reporter who wrote this article.
     
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    Well our Socialist government keeps condemning them, what do you expect in return? THIS looks like a propaganda. I can understand by the name that this guy must be some fundamentalist Kashmiri separatist.
     
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    This is called as "Beam News" in Indian journalist language.
     
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    My take on this. This was said to a group of Indian journalists so it was not targeted to Pakistan but to India. As I have said before, there is no logical reason why the Israel-Palestine issue should be compared with the Kashmir in any shape or form. Pakistan and Israel would like to bring about that comparison for their own reason. Its not like Pakistan is now going to turn around become an ally of Israel and its just NOT a point of making India "uncomfortable".

    Its simply about national interests, Israel wants to deflect media scrutiny from the Palestininian situation and the Gaza Flotilla raids away from it as much as it can. You can't really blame them for that.

    This is on top of the previous remark raised by a retd. Israeli officer about HR violations in Kashmir

    The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Israeli general spills Kashmir beans


    For those who don't knwo about the background of these news items. A group of Indian journalists (Iftikar Gilani is Indian) have been invited by the ISraeli govt. on a one month tour of the country.

     
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    Has Pakistan recognized Israel as a independent nation??
     
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    On many Occasions we have also voiced our concerns about Israel activities in Jerusalem. Israel may try to settle some scores with India or put pressure on India but Pakistan as an ally is a big NO .
     
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    I'm not surprised with this news...Quite possible...With the kids in south block handling indian foreign policies no doubt india will lose russia too as friend.With their stupid foreign policies they already lost iran and afghanistan.Israel will be masterstroke for pakistan.
     
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    Ithink Mushy govt did recognize it or was on verge og recognizing it.
     
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    Now that Turkish-Israeli relations have ended, Pakistani-Israeli relations will blossom?? Highly doubtful what will Turkey say??
     
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    Well to be realistic, India has toned down its rhetoric on Palestine compared to Nehru or Indira years. the last time any statement that was made on the Israel Palestine issue was in the Gaza Flotilla attack which was very mild. And almost every country in the world including China, US, UK Australia had made it some of them like, the UK prime minister was even more critical.
    Other than that GoI has not raised any issue around the Palestinian question except for the support for the two state solution that is accepted by Israel her self.

    So the logic of "tit for tat" does not really apply here. Its only about moving media scrutiny from Israel-Palestine onto Kashmir.

    Also Pakistan still does not recognise ISrael, but that does not mean it did not have any dealings with Israel. During the cold war years they were almost partners and during the 80s they provided confiscated Palestinian weaponse to Pakistan and Israeli Special Ops provided training on how to carry subversion and bombings in Afghanistan. In the 90s the realtion cooled off but during Musharraf years the FM of both countries had met twice most recently in 2005.
     
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    We have the most stupidest foreign policy makers on this planet..
     
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    Israel need Indians more than we need them . We have entire world to procure our defence equipments . They donot have any buyer bigger than us . Israel has no political importance for India . They are not indispensable for India. Well Russians are . I dont think that we have lost Russia as friend . Even Russians are having better terms with Americans so having good terms with America doesn't mean we are not friend with Russia.
     
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    Turks are still very moderate and civilized compared to Pakistan. Turk Israel relationship is still intact and business continues.
     
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    Didn't Pakistani pilots fight against Israel in the six day war??
     
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    It didnt matter in foreign policy relations.Arent pakistanis killing usa soldiers in afghanistan.or didnt ISI helped conspire 9/11.
     
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    Exaggeration I woudl say. Some say there were no Pakistani pilots. however, even the pro-pilot sources agree that there were 2-3 volunteer figters who went in their private capacity and flew jets there. The only official presence of Pakistani army in the thatre of conflict was under Brigadier Zia Ul Haq in Jordan. Ironically, he used troops under his command to put down a rebellion of the Palestinians whowanted to overthrow the King and establish a popular government. Different estimates state that around 5000-10000 Palestinians were killed.

    The event is referred to as Black September among Palestinians.


    You have to see that the Cold War narrative was the most powerful feature during that time. Israel, Jordan ,Pakistan were basically on the same side (US). While Iraq, Palestinians,Syria were on the other (Soviet)
     
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    You are just sensationalising the whole issue! Indian Foreign Policy is going in the right Direction. What makes you say we are going to loose Israel and Russia? Spread your points! Is it the Gorkshkov deal? If so, we signed many other deals after that, including some for additional heliopters on top of existing order with Russia.

    After the Flotilla attack, India didnt even talk much. We keep our safe distance from the Israel Palestine Problem. And About Israel and Pakistan becoming friends, well let Pakistan first Recognise Israel.

    Lastly, Israel is a Friend to China, and would have even sold the Phalcon if it werent for good old Uncle Sam! So stop talking as if Israel is our Best Friend! Its purely a relationship based on mutual benefit! Just like every relationship is, in todays Political Landscape! God Speed
     
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    Muslim world and Pakistan seem to not talk about their Muslim "brothers" getting oppressed in China. The Muslim world hates Nato, but accepts weapons and products from them. Its double standards. As far as Israel they are strategic partner so who cares? So is Russia. No real allies in this world only mutual interest on both sides.
     
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    This brotherhood stuff is just rhetoric, Pakistan has committed genocides against Bangladeshis,Baluchis and Afghans where was the brotherhood during all this?? And these were all sunni muslims not the hated shiites.
     

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