Islamic Terrorists responsible for massacre of Sikhs in Kashmir, Not Indian Army

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    LeT hand in massacre of J&K Sikhs in 2000: Jundal

    LeT hand in massacre of J&K Sikhs in 2000: Jundal - The Times of India




    I hope the news will spread further and more details will come out filtering the bad blood between state and its people; who were accusing army and what not for that utterly odious crime.
     
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    For years, the Army was blamed for the Chhattisinghpora massacre. But now, it now out the bloodbath was orchestrated by Lashkar's operational head, Muzammil Butt.

    26/11 handler Abu Jundal has told interrogators that it was Muzammil, then operating in Kashmir, who along with dozen men in Army fatigues went to the village in Kashmir's Anantnag district on March 25, 2000 and killed 35 Sikhs.

    The aim was to create communal tension in the Valley on the eve of then US president Bill Clinton's visit to India and also malign the Indian Army.


    Sources said Jundal's interrogation had revealed that Muzammil, along with his associates, drew all the men of the village out of their homes and asked them to gather near the village gurdwara. The Lashkar men then shot 35 Sikhs in cold blood.

    The revelation is significant given that sections of Kashmiri political parties and civil rights activists in the country have always asserted that it was the handiwork of the Indian Army. {Puppet Munnas}Only last month, Hurriyat hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani demanded an international probe into the matter.

    Sources said Jundal's revelation has confirmed what agencies had always suspected based on credible information. However, no investigation into the incident has yet conclusively proved the hand of LeT. Investigating agencies had arrested two suspected Lashkar militants Mohd Suhail and Waseem Ahmed, who hailed from Sialkot and Gujranwala in Pakistan for the massacre. Both are still on trial.

    According to sources, Muzammil, who home minister P Chidambaram recently said had replaced Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi as LeT's operational head, was responsible for several more killings in the Valley and this was something he admitted to several of his LeT colleagues. Jundal was known to be close to Muzammil, who was part of the Karachi-based control room that directed the 26/11 attacks.

    An official in the know of Jundal's interrogation said, "This was something agencies always had an idea of. This information had also come up during the interrogation of David Coleman Headley. Jundal is being quizzed on all the information available with the agencies and is confirming what he thinks agencies already know of. He is revealing little new information as yet."

    The revelation will be little relief for Army which has been in the dock for several extra-judicial killings, including the Pathribal encounter, post-Chhattisinghpora massacre. Until agencies find corroborative evidence to buttress this claim, the revelation will have little value in a court of law.

    LeT hand in massacre of J&K Sikhs in 2000: Jundal - The Times of India
     
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    Religion of Peace :namaste:

     
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    ^^^^^^ I'm always shocked how these HROs and NGOs without any evidence blame all wrong doings on the Army or Hindus!

    Then I look at their allegiance and monetary sources and viola......Jihadi and Evangelist organizations are their true masters! These Jhola Chap page 3 type NGOs are the biggest danger to the country and WE NEED TO HAVE A FORMAL ORGANIZATION AUDITING THEIR BOOKS AND SOURCES OF FUNDS!
     
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    It's not good to blame Islam for these terror acts....... afterall "Islam is a religion of peace" and it's proven by history since 700 AD, so it must be evil hindu army with loads of Sikh Generals who are doing the genocide of Sikhs and maligning their own image on the international front.
     
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    I dont remember actually who blamed Army for the killing. From the very beginning the role of LeT was clear in it.

    Another question to AFAKO...no need to bring the 'Religion of Peace' crap everytime. How old were you when Khalistani movement was in full swing or Ranvir Sena used to wipe out a whole village?
     
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    army was blamed.

    All religions are religions of peace.

    But they don't use it as a pièce de résistance (outstanding accomplishment)!
     
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    Why should'nt we use 'Religion of Peace' ??? Prove me that it actually does what it says.

    How old were you when this peace loving religion started their forced violent campaigns throughout the history and did genocides of millions of innocents? Even after doing that you are claiming its such a peaceful religion.Thats the irony but you are admant on others to believe in a fallacy and blatant false propoganda.

    Bringing "Khalistan" you conveniently forgot that Khalistani movement was backed up by Pakis and Sikhs themselves cleaned up the mess and showed that country is more important than religion. Removing terrorism in Punjab was unique and perhaps the only success where the terrorism was wiped out.

    When is this "Religion of peace" going to do the same as Sikhs did? How long would it take?
     
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    Army was blamed by some Khalistani organisations and seperatist groups like Huriat. As much I can remember security forcees was found guilty in the encounter of 6 villagers who were said to be Pakistani militants involved in the massacre of Sikh village. Farukh Abdullah government fell that year...
     
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    I have no fantasy for any religion as I follow none. All religions (or flags beared of religions)suck people one or other way. The Muslim invader kept on slaying what they called Kafir and our own flagbearers kept on opressing others as low caste. I just felt that saying mocking the religion is an insult for those who are not involved in such gruesome act and leave peacefully.

    Yes, Khalistani movement was backed by Pakistan. But, LeT was fully Pakistani organisation. It was more a political game to senselize Kashmir issue than having anything to religion. When you get blind in anger and mock every Muslim for that including your own countrymen , it is the Pakis who have the last laugh. They wanted exactly this.
     
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    Religion is Peace is called Religion of Peace by Peaceful People for their Peaceful Teachings and Peaceful Acts.

    The Same Religion of Peace Followers was backing the Ranvir Sena. The same Religion of Peace did not Mind Non-Peaceful People getting Killed either by their Peaceful support or Non-peaceful one. But Whine to death When the Peaceful People are Killed in Retaliation for their Past Peaceful Deeds!
     
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    Even the Godhra train burning had connections with Pakistan, they wanted to incite hatred between Hindus & Muslims in India and divide them, they wanted to root a Minority-Complex into Muslim hearts and unfortunately they succeeded.
     
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    That was already Present in the Entity called Indian Muslim Pre-1947. No Political Borders can dissolve that. Window Dressing with the Indian Patriotic Muslim is not going to change that. It was there and will always be like that!
     
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    So, what are you waiting for? Draw your sword and go out. Take Natarajan with you if possible.....
     
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    They knew very well what would be the out come of Godhra incident. Riots and Killing. And more Muslims with grievence more possibility to recruit for their organisation.
     
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    Your Tongue of Swords isn't going to change the Facts, Is it?
     
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    No, It is not. Fact is an illusion and varies from person to person. What you call half-empty glass, I may call half-full glass.
     
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    Neither I am any hardcore religious guy, it's on low priority always.It doesn't matter if you follow any religion or not but if you keep on believing the fantasies like the above then it shows you can believe any propoganda without applying any logic.Bringing "Caste" as a excuse to convert others is a baseless excuse since Islam was NEVER a perfect religion and neither any religion would be perfect because its followers would corrupt/change it gradually even if it was started as "Perfect". So this "My religion is perfect so you better follow" is a wrong thing.

    Indian Army is there to defend Kashmir, not to massacare any ethnic group, the ONLY party who would like to do that is Pakistan.What a simple plot... send terrorists(muslims obviously) in Indian Army dress and kill any defenseless Kashmiri(this time Sikhs and not Kashmiri Pandits) so that blame goes on Indian Army and intrestingly like you there are some who believes that Indian Army is responsible.

    About Pakis...if the majority of muslims keep on defending the terrorists then they should see what is happening to Pakistan who are having lot of laughs for the last 10 years and in 1971 they had a BIG BIG laugh...... and more laughs are awaiting them in future.

    In the Khalistani era Sikhs were often termed as terrorists as well but Sikhs realized this and wiped out terrorism from their soil. Now no one calls them terrorists or even think of it, rather Sikhs came back in the mainline Indian Politics/Army/Culture like MMS,Montek,General Bikram Singh etc etc.
     
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    The Inferiority Complex is Deep Rotten in the Muslims of the Subcontinent since the Days Mughals Lost to the Marathas and they lost their confidence completely. It was the Indian Muslims after the Defeat that they started the reformation period in the Muslim World of going back to the Pure style of Islam in the Sunnah. Deobandis and also Roots of Wahabism lie in the Subcontinent.

    Wonder why the Hub of Islamic Terrorism is in the Sub Continent Today?

    Who are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? Former Indian Muslims. Pre-1947 They were Indian Muslims and As A Non-Muslim Indian Pre-1947 All were the same Indian Muslims. You can't carpet brush Post-1947 Identities on the Pre-1947 ones.
     
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    First, I dont believe any propaganda. I knew from the very beginning it was done by LeT in army uniforms. It was an old tactics by the millitants in Kasmir.

    Second, No one said that massacre was done by Indian Army except some Khalistani organisations (hiding in Canda and in tune with their Paki masters) and seperatist groups in Kashmir.

    Third, from Mahmood Gajnavi to todays Pakistani generals- they have all been using Islam to fulfill their ambition. Without , fanning the religios zeal of his people it would not have been possible to gather an army and raid Hindustan. Even Babur mentioned in his autography how one of his commander cheered up his soldier by name of Islam who were dejected and fearful of Rana Sangha's soldier after suffering in some scuffles before battle of Khanua. How the Pakistanis are using 'Islam' is no need to explain.

    The real danger associated with 'Eye for an eye " measure is that it never ends like the story of Raktabeej. One opponent falls and ten come to take its place. The people who burn the train in Godhra never bother to think what will happen to their fellow men. The people who involved in riots in Gujrat never bothered to think that some of the sufferers or people sympathic to them will come back for revenge. SInce the collapse of Babri Mosque this chain is continuing. Personally, I have no doubt about the Babri Mosque was built destroying temple. May be many more constructions are there in India. But I am afraid any attempt to so called "Historic Justice" will only lead to chain of blood bath. Every concerned citizen should understand the political game which is being played behind religion and do what he need to do.

    You can use the virtual space you have via the social networking sites or the forums like DFI either to bridge gap between people and remove distrust or just to fan emotion. It's all upon you.
     
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