IS Indian Defence Getting WEAK?????

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  1. Parthy

    Parthy Air Warrior Senior Member

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    http://www.financialexpress.com/news/column-indias-antiquated-forces/698746/0

    Column : India’s antiquated forces
    Deba R Mohanty
    Posted: Monday, Oct 18, 2010 at 2250 hrs IST
    Updated: Monday, Oct 18, 2010 at 2250 hrs IST

    Chief of the Indian Air Force ACM PV Naik has gone on record recently to admit that half of the Indian aerospace fighter arsenal was obsolete. The defence minister, AK Antony, subsequently tried to play down the condition by urging that the Indian defence industry must be encouraged by the state to improve the degree of self-reliance and fight obsolescence in this fast-paced technological environment. If this was not enough, ACM Naik has warned the country that the security situation in and around India was like a ‘volcano’, which necessitated an extremely high level of preparedness by the air force, in particular, and the entire armed forces, in general. If unstable security conditions as well as strategic global aspirations necessitate India to build a formidable military capability, ‘obsolescence’ is one problem that should not have affected the armed forces as badly as it has today.

    Let’s see how prepared the Indian armed forces are for any situation. Not only the Indian aerospace but also land and naval arsenals are fast becoming obsolete. Consider this: IAF has a sanctioned strength of 39.5 combat squadrons, yet is barely 30 squadrons strong now, and aims to have a 45 squadron strength in the near future, if former ACM Fali Major is to be believed. If four to six squadrons of MiGs are to be phased out in time and the 126 MMRCA and LCAs are not replenished in time, India is likely to manage with about 26 fighter squadrons for the next six to seven years! Even acquisitions of Su-30s would not be able to compensate for some time and the joint development of the fifth generation fighter (with Russia) can only happen by the early 2020s, if everything goes according to plan. Transport, trainers, heavy lifts, medium and heavy choppers, mid-air refuellers and others are also in short supply, if the desirable level of Indian aerospace power is taken into consideration. The situation is worrisome.

    The land-based arsenal looks no better. Former Army Chief VP Malik’s famous admission—we will fight with whatever we have—is not passé. General VK Singh’s immediate predecessor General Deepak Kapoor has gone on record saying that 80% of the land equipment is night-blind. Apart from night-blindness, the land forces are in short supply practically on every front—from infantry and weaponry to larger land systems. Heavy tanks may be an exception; India lacks light and medium tanks, and varieties of artilleries, the latter being a hostage to ‘Bofors’ syndrome. Artillery and air wing have been worst affected as tender after tender has been cancelled in recent years, thanks primarily to non-military reasons (read, allegations and counter allegations by vendors and so-called technical reasons mentioned by the MoD). The Navy seems a little better off among the services, yet its projected plans to have an aircraft carrier fleet, sufficient numbers of submarines, frigates, destroyers and other smaller warships are also in short supply, although to a lesser degree in comparison to its counterparts. Most worrying is a scenario in which even if the MoD is able to acquire 90% of the systems that it envisages for the planned long-term military modernisation programme, ‘obsolescence’ could still be more than 40%—10+% larger than any ideal arsenal should possess.

    Obsolescence and numeric deficits in the Indian arsenal are a result of a host of factors, spanning from defence planning to procurement processes. The blame game is easy within defence establishments as any stakeholder can accuse the other without much accountability. However, the worst sufferer is the end-user whose modernisation programme is hit badly, which leads to further obsolescence. Speak to any military leader—while they may put on a brave face in public, they are quite worried!

    India has been fighting technological obsolescence for several decades as it is not only capital intensive but also involves consistent scientific and industrial endeavours. That’s why you have only five-odd aero-engine manufacturers who have held hostage the fighter components of aerospace power in the world. That’s why you see only a handful of countries devoting scientific and financial resources towards aerospace and unmanned systems. Where does India stand—its indigenous Kaveri aero-engine programme now looks towards either GE-414 or EJ-200; its aerospace engineering programmes attract less and less talent, its futuristic programmes are not adequately funded (DRDO budget is $2 billion). The private sector is kept at an arm’s length since they are branded ‘strategic’ and hence have no place for private enterprise! This is despite the fact that Godrej & Boyce, Tata Power, Larsen & Toubro, and other companies have supplied critical components to many Indian strategic military programmes. Long planning processes coupled with delays have also contributed significantly to technological obsolescence. As a former IAF officer put it, by the time LCA is ready, it may well become a trainer instead of a fighter! If LCA takes decades, acquisitions do not happen in two or three years either. The 126 MMRCA deal serves as a case in point.

    ACM Naik and AK Antony are true to their words—the former lays out the problem and the latter a possible answer. Betwixt the two lies the great Indian tragedy of a lack of strategic vision and political courage, rigid institutional mechanisms, complex procurement procedures and virtually no accountability in the defence sector.

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  3. hitenray09

    hitenray09 Regular Member

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    actually with each passing day the IAF is getting more stronger i suppose with more no. of tactical ac, airlift, awacs, mmrca, mki ac coming in the strensth of IAF is increasing.
     
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    IAF Guns for 42 operational fighter squadrons by 2022
    BY ADMIN AT 22 OCTOBER, 2010, 3:29 PM

    BY: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

    As per latest IAF’s Force level projections , Indian air force is trying to have 42 operational fighter squadrons by 2022 , up from current level of 32 squadrons .

    IAF will be able to induct full 270 + Sukhoi Su 30MKI which will get its due Mid-life upgrade program, which will include major changes to it avionics package and RCS reduction to the airframe , further 40 MKI aircraft’s will be made capable enough to carry air launched BrahMos along with DRDO developed Long-Range Cruise Missile (LRCM) .

    IAF will also induct 126 M-MRCAs in this period, results of which will announced by march 2011 and first aircraft will be delivered to India by 2014 period . while 40 Tejas MK-1 will join IAF by 2016 time frame and further 70 to 80 Tejas MK-2 by 2022 .

    FGFA will be inducted into IAF by 2020 and IAF will have small batch (20 nos ) of 5th gen aircraft by 2022 , Jaguar fleet along with Mirage -2000 and Mid-29 will have gone through Major up-gradation in avionics and engine change .

    Engine change will be only done on Jaguars and Mig-29SMT , while IAF plans to put more then half of its current Mig-27 fleet in reserved / storage , while a small fleet of upgraded Mig-27 will be operational even at this period .

    AMCA will be replacing Jaguars and Mig-27 by 2025 period onwards when the AMCA will be in full Production , if the whole project stays in course , as per sources M-MRCA will have clause of purchase of additional aircraft if Tejas MK-2 is delayed due to any reason .

    http://idrw.org/?p=984
     
  5. chex3009

    chex3009 Regular Member

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    ^^^
    Now, obviously this is not a good news for IAF, atleast. It would have been 50 squadrons upto 2022....!
     
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    ahmedsid Top Gun Senior Member

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    Parthy, For the Last time, Please Post Links to the Articles, unless this is your own written piece. God Speed
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    The problem is MOD and IAF have banked everything from 2012 onwards into the future straight. So ATM, IAF is still weak and cannot take on any adversary just like that. Remember before Naik's coming to command even F.H Major said that it would take some considerable time before IAF can be a lethal force in Asia. IAF is not getting stronger. It is supposed to have inducted MRCA by now but it is still in pipelines for the last 6 years. Tejas is suppoosed to have got inducted but still only paper orders are there and the MK-2 version's details are still tight lipped. There's no news about AMCA's progress in the news media.

    The only thing coming positive from IAF is its rapid induction of transport planes from US and other countries (it is considering C-27 Spartan from Spain as well). Areas we're weak still are:

    - SAM batteries and air defence radars... only 30% of Indian territory is covered with sufficient radars others are obsolete as per a 2008 article.
    - AWACS: DRDO's AWACS is going on snail's pace, 3 Phalcons simply don't add enough teeth and IAF is still not deciding fast enough when compared to Navy.
    - Abysmally slow fighter induction
    - Slow upgrades plan
     
  8. Minghegy

    Minghegy Regular Member

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    I remember a thread said India has anti-gravity vehicle, awful!:happy_7:
     
  9. warriorextreme

    warriorextreme Senior Member Senior Member

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    yes of-course our defense is getting weak every year...this is all because of the democratic ways of military procurement..it is slower than a snail..and outcome of it is ridiculous..
     
  10. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    India today surely is stronger than India long before
    however, India today is becoming comparably weaker ,if compared with those countries who grow strong more faster than India.
     
  11. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Same can be said for PLAAF. J-10s are only built as fast as MKI, and it is infinitely inferior. Those are the only aircraft coming on line and all other plans can't continue until turbofans can be made. China is getting sick of relying on Russia for engines, and sick for not being able to make them properly.
     
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    Please don't offend them . As per Our Chinese friends Russian defense products are shit and J10 is truly a world class Fighter plane. Chinese Have developed a Photocopier that create better Xerox than the original picture . What an achievement . :happy_8:
     
  13. ajtr

    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    India defence forces are intentionally kept weak by the powers ruling india since independence for the reasons known only to them....i can only think one reason can be the fear of coups and other being the foolishness and lack of any strategic outlook and vision among our political class who are more interested in local level caste-religion-regional based politics than the one which is broader in geopolitics.for that you need hardened players not like the ones who dont even know wats going on even beneath their seat of power on Copernicus Marg.
     
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    thats why chinese papers are writing about their fear of iron wall around it as the date of obama trip is coming close.
     
  15. Agnostic_Indian

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    It's just a matter of time..we ignored modernisation for a long time so our fighters are other equipments are old. But now we already started spending and it will take some more time to get the results.
     
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    Given the size of airspace we have we need at least 10-15 AWACS to cover entire country. We cannot import all of them so we need to have owr own system to bridge the gap. Looks like its stuck while waiting for Bombardier planes.
     
  17. hitenray09

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    dont worry friends at the moment we are worrying about IAF low nos but a day will arrive soon when our adversaries will be worrying about us
     
  18. Virendra

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    Weaponry phase out and modernization in a loose democracy like India will always be slow. Accept that.
    But be assured that the minimum required deterrence is always maintained. Occasional media reports point at military infrastructure getting antiquate in other parts of the world too. France & Russia are examples. But it doesn't necessarily mean that such countries are sitting ducks.
     
  19. ZOOM

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    Well, slow growth of our modernization process isn't something new to us. Most dangerous thing is despite having some sizable budget allocation, we are not able to pieace together required pieaces as per the schedule. We often glorify the case something like very successful MKI, Tejas Programme, but often tend to forget the delivery schedule and quality factor that get grind to halt in the process. Biggest testimony to our weakness is nothing but our huge reliance on some outdated operational techique which often makes dependability on obsolte Air Assets like older Bisons, Mig-27, outdated radar, slow upgrade of our SAM System. We literally have forgotten massive modernization of very basic Anti-Aircraft Guns which will makes very important deterrance.

    Until we realy on enemy thinking as what will be enemy's next course of action, we bound to dependent on outdated era. Unless We don't create a culture of making enemy think on our build up which will make him shape accordingly till then we are very vulnerable to obsolte era.
     
  20. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    biggest problem for India defence is the lack of indigenious defence manufacturing. the lack of defence industry make India hardky sustain a long-term war of attrition against any of majore powers
     
  21. SATISH

    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    BG the same can be said to your country...the heart of every equipment of yours is imported. Yes I agree with you that we need to expand our defence industries. It is possible here only is the private sector enters production atleast.
     

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