Is India strong enough to face if China-Pak attack together?

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This is one reason why it is still very important to develop a "Cold Start" capability. In the case of such a conflict, it is imperative that India be able to knock Pakistan out of the war as quickly as possible. We need to be able achieve a decisive victory against the Pakistanis in less than two weeks' time, as we did in 1971. If not, we would have to fight a war of attrition in a strategically disadvantaged position on two separate fronts on different sides of the country. The Chinese would undoubtedly try to fight India to the last Pakistani and do all they can to prevent a major Indian victory against Pakistan.
Lol! @ war of attrition. India only maintains about 4-5 weeks of warfighting stocks, and since we cannot produce anything on our own, that's how long we will last in a war of "attrition". Forget a combined China-Pak attack, even if China attacks alone, they will easily win the war since they have far more stamina.

India's fighting ability is like that of the horses of the Maratha cavalry in the Battle of Panipat in 1761. :pound:
 

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our leaders are not stupid.

if there is going to be a war fought by us in the near future, it will be in the pacific.

the chances of it being with india are nearly zero. do you see chinese on the streets about india? no. but for diaoyutai, taiwan and scs, absolutely.
Yeah, I doubt China will commit its own forces to war with India. It is possible that China might provide indirect support to Pakistan in case of a future Indo-Pak war, but looking at history, China did hardly anything to support Pakistan in 1965, 1971, or 1999.

Lol! @ war of attrition. India only maintains about 4-5 weeks of warfighting stocks, and since we cannot produce anything on our own, that's how long we will last in a war of "attrition". Forget a combined China-Pak attack, even if China attacks alone, they will easily win the war since they have far more stamina.

India's fighting ability is like that of the horses of the Maratha cavalry in the Battle of Panipat in 1761. :pound:
Lacking indigenous military production capability doesn't mean you can't fight a war of attrition. It just means we would be reliant on foreign suppliers to keep the war going. Iran and Iraq fought a brutal 8-year war of attrition fueled almost entirely by imported weapons and supplies. North Vietnamese weapons and logistics were all made in the USSR, but they still fought a successful war of attrition against a superpower.

Granted, I doubt India has the political will matching Vietnam in the 70s or Iran in the 80s.
 

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Yeah, I doubt China will commit its own forces to war with India. It is possible that China might provide indirect support to Pakistan in case of a future Indo-Pak war, but looking at history, China did hardly anything to support Pakistan in 1965, 1971, or 1999.



Lacking indigenous military production capability doesn't mean you can't fight a war of attrition. It just means we would be reliant on foreign suppliers to keep the war going. Iran and Iraq fought a brutal 8-year war of attrition fueled almost entirely by imported weapons and supplies. North Vietnamese weapons and logistics were all made in the USSR, but they still fought a successful war of attrition against a superpower.

Granted, I doubt India has the political will matching Vietnam in the 70s or Iran in the 80s.
It's not just a question of will. In the Vietnam case, it was basically a war fought by the superpowers through proxy. Same in the Iran-Iraq case.

India's situation is different, since India is neither a client state nor is the US likely to support India like it did South Vietnam against China.
 

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Lol! @ war of attrition. India only maintains about 4-5 weeks of warfighting stocks, and since we cannot produce anything on our own, that's how long we will last in a war of "attrition". Forget a combined China-Pak attack, even if China attacks alone, they will easily win the war since they have far more stamina.

India's fighting ability is like that of the horses of the Maratha cavalry in the Battle of Panipat in 1761. :pound:
When Vietnam slammed USA's rear... How much internal defense production they have ???
 
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Yeah, I doubt China will commit its own forces to war with India. It is possible that China might provide indirect support to Pakistan in case of a future Indo-Pak war, but looking at history, China did hardly anything to support Pakistan in 1965, 1971, or 1999.
they never complained even when we did not help them before.

i'll tell you what, on the day when you see us rioting on the streets over india, like we do with diaoyutai/taiwan/japanese war crimes/scs then maybe you should start to be concerned.

but i don't think that will happen. it is simply not on the list of major priorities.
 

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When Vietnam slammed USA's rear... How much internal defense production they have ???
As I said, North Vietnam's armory was the USSR and China. Who is India's armory? Will the US risk the wrath of its "banker" China to supply arms to India during a war?
 

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they never complained even when we did not help them before.

i'll tell you what, on the day when you see us rioting on the streets over india, like we do with diaoyutai/taiwan/japanese war crimes/scs then maybe you should start to be concerned.

but i don't think that will happen. it is simply not on the list of major priorities.
Good point. Let's hope that such a day won't come anytime soon.
 

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As I said, North Vietnam's armory was the USSR and China. Who is India's armory? Will the US risk the wrath of its "banker" China to supply arms to India during a war?
Say hypothetically, China & Pakistan combines and attack India jointly... India will hold them for 3 -4 weeks surely and I am 500% sure that USA will also get involved and supply the needed military hardware to India...

Please be informed that India & USA are definitely & surely coming close to a strategic, economic alignment in very near future...

Moreover India has enough to cause devastation to all major cities in China and China will not risk such devastation ONLY for a piece of SHIT land called Pakistan...

China simple does not get anything back or gains from supporting Pakistan... China will definitely arm Pakistan to fight India but it will itself not get into it directly... as it had done in 1965 / 1971 & 1999.
 

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Good point. Let's hope that such a day won't come anytime soon.
it almost certainly won't. historically we were a victim of western and japanese imperialism, not indian.

even those guys we are rioting about are probably still safe and will continue to be safe. apart from the corporate branches they set up in china which were trashed during the riots of course. the main damage was to their profit margins.
 

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That is if The Indians initiate the war......

But if both surprise India that is the eventuality for which Indians would like to be prepared for...

Hold one and finish the other.. Then turn back and finish him..
Either suprised or not, India still needs to crush Pakistan in under 4 weeks or it is over. You cannot "hold off" China.
 

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Why India and China have to fight with each other?
Is there are anything China can gain from defeat or occupy India? Land , resource , market or population ? We have enough of them.
If India not attack China or Pakistan in the first place , China will not have the incentive to fight with India.

Do you know many nuclear weapon Indian have right now? how many of them can attack Chinese major cities? and how many major cities in China?

Finally what will be the China 's response to a nuclear attack?
 

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Either suprised or not, India still needs to crush Pakistan in under 4 weeks or it is over. You cannot "hold off" China.
The only way to hold China off would be by bluffing about a nuclear first strike. Of course, China has the option of calling the bluff, but would the CCP risk the millions of casualties and devastation in case it turned out to not be a bluff?

In short, act like you're crazy so that your opponents automatically treat you with caution. The strategy which Pakistan has perfected for decades! :rofl:

As Strobe Talbott mentioned in his book, Pakistan is like the robber which holds a gun to his own head and demands your purse. India can definitely try the same strategy with China. :lol:
 

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Why India and China have to fight with each other?
Is there are anything China can gain from defeat or occupy India? Land , resource , market or population ? We have enough of them.
If India not attack China or Pakistan in the first place , China will not have the incentive to fight with India.
I would suggest you to read the thread properly once again...

On the bold part, what will China do if Pakistan creates a situation using terrorism as a tool against India where India is compelled to Strike at Pakistan first, this is highly possible ???

Do you know many nuclear weapon Indian have right now? how many of them can attack Chinese major cities? and how many major cities in China?

Finally what will be the China 's response to a nuclear attack?
India have enough fissile material to devastate all major cities in China & Pakistan combined... This is also hods true even in spite of whatever may be the response from China.

The fear of Indian strike on Chinese cities will ensure that China does not directly participate into any India's direct conflict with Pakistan if any...
 
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On the bold part, what will China do if Pakistan creates a situation using terrorism as a tool against India where India is compelled to Strike at Pakistan first, this is highly possible ???
already happened in 71, i believe.

anyway we don't have a mutual defence pact with pakistan so you saw the response already in 71.

India have enough fissile material to devastate all major cities in China & Pakistan combined... This is also true in spite of whatever may be the response from China.

The fear of Indian strike on Chinese cities will ensure that China does not directly participate into any India's direct conflict with Pakistan if any...
in fact both india and china have no first use policies.
 

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already happened in 71, i believe.

anyway we don't have a mutual defence pact with pakistan so you saw the response already in 71.



in fact both india and china have no first use policies.
Exactly, I do not see a logic where India & China will commit a collective suicide...
 

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Either suprised or not, India still needs to crush Pakistan in under 4 weeks or it is over. You cannot "hold off" China.
Four weeks is a fair time... India can do it in less than that..

But who in the world will allow two nuclear nations to go on for four weeks...

During Kargil operations, India cleared all occupied areas within two weeks...

of course with adequate preparation as Pakistan had initiated it as India decided to fight the war in Her own territory....

Were it to be a conventional war at all fronts, it would be over in two weeks or may in the first week itself with adequate preparation for cold start being kept high at all times....
 

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The only way to hold China off would be by bluffing about a nuclear first strike. Of course, China has the option of calling the bluff, but would the CCP risk the millions of casualties and devastation in case it turned out to not be a bluff?

In short, act like you're crazy so that your opponents automatically treat you with caution. The strategy which Pakistan has perfected for decades! :rofl:

As Strobe Talbott mentioned in his book, Pakistan is like the robber which holds a gun to his own head and demands your purse. India can definitely try the same strategy with China. :lol:
If China attacked tomorrow, would they really be worried about an Indian nuclear strike? Most Indian missiles can't get past Tibet, and they don't care if they get vaporised. India would be the definite loser in a nuclear exchange so China knows they wouldn't do it. France would nuke China if they tried anything so it would stay conventional. The mountains will slow China for a month, which is all the time India would have to crush Pakistan before every available force would be needed to plow into an offensive against the Red Front. France could contribute two divisions to the defence, with FELIN it would be enough to hold off a Group Army since our soldiers are twice as effective as legacy NATO and 3-4 times effective PLA.
 

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Exactly, I do not see a logic where India & China will commit a collective suicide...
In the business of Wars one has to cater for Capabilities and intentions of the likely adversaries and be prepared even for unpredictable madness as exhibited by Pakistan from time to time.

Wars always do not follow logic or faulty logic as that followed by the likes of Nehrus.....
 

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If China attacked tomorrow, would they really be worried about an Indian nuclear strike? Most Indian missiles can't get past Tibet, and they don't care if they get vaporised. India would be the definite loser in a nuclear exchange so China knows they wouldn't do it. France would nuke China if they tried anything so it would stay conventional. The mountains will slow China for a month, which is all the time India would have to crush Pakistan before every available force would be needed to plow into an offensive against the Red Front. France could contribute two divisions to the defence, with FELIN it would be enough to hold off a Group Army since our soldiers are twice as effective as legacy NATO and 3-4 times effective PLA.
:rofl:

Sorry, I cannot decide which is a more ridiculous scenario-the Chinese attacking tomorrow or the French contributing troops to fight alongside the IA.......:pound:

Even if the Chinese did attack tomorrow though, they would have to contend with the Agni III and fighter aircraft based nuclear delivery systems. ;)
 

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Why India and China have to fight with each other?
Is there are anything China can gain from defeat or occupy India? Land , resource , market or population ? We have enough of them.
If India not attack China or Pakistan in the first place , China will not have the incentive to fight with India.

Do you know many nuclear weapon Indian have right now? how many of them can attack Chinese major cities? and how many major cities in China?

Finally what will be the China 's response to a nuclear attack?
Is not one nuclear bomb over Beijing good enough...

Do not be such blind tactician..
 

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