INS Satpura Commissioned

[agentperry]

Indian navy is unnecessarily making heavier ships. frigates are meant to be for fast attack and flee combat strategy but making them heavy will make them vulnerable.
moreover barring satpura why the hell indian navy is buying 2500 ton patrol boat with just CIWS and A single big GUN....

 

[Yusuf]

Indian navy is unnecessarily making heavier ships. frigates are meant to be for fast attack and flee combat strategy but making them heavy will make them vulnerable.
moreover barring satpura why the hell indian navy is buying 2500 ton patrol boat with just CIWS and A single big GUN....

The ship might have gotten heavy but that has not compromised on anything else. Most of these frigates will go into Carrier BGs once our carriers start operational duties. We need them and in fact quite a lot more.

 

[agentperry]

The ship might have gotten heavy but that has not compromised on anything else. Most of these frigates will go into Carrier BGs once our carriers start operational duties. We need them and in fact quite a lot more.

my point is that these ships should be armed heavily and not only heavy patrol boats are big bulky and lightly armed good for nothing.
ok these ships are better then earlier models but still i think they could have added more no of SSN on board these ships

 

[Neil]

Buy aircraft carrier for just Pound 3.5 million

we realy should look at this stuffs...

LONDON: Cash-strapped Britain is putting an aircraft carrier, warships, helicopters as well as battle fortified Land Rovers on the market for a song.

Under an almost distress sale to plug a gaping £36 billion hole in the ministry of defence's budget, the price of the aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal built at a cost of £200 million has dipped to a ridiculous level of £3.5 million.
Also on offer at almost throwaway prices are Type 22 frigates costing £400 million each at £300,000, destroyers at just a million pounds, the Daily Mail reported quoting senior officials.

It's not only the naval weaponry that is up for grabs, but also the 13 gazelle helicopters which cost almost five million to build apiece are being sold at just £100,000.

Senior military officers are said to be furious at the sell-offs, which they claim are giving away quality defence equipment while the forces need everything they can get.

Buy aircraft carrier for just Pound 3.5 million - The Times of India

 

[BangersAndMash]

According to wiki, 12 Shivalik class frigates are planned! 2 r completed & 1 is being built! What about the other 9?

 

[Galaxy]

According to wiki, 12 Shivalik class frigates are planned! 2 r completed & 1 is being built! What about the other 9?

1 is underdevelopment INS Sahyadri. It would be inducted next year.

7 is planned under Project 17A class frigate.

 

[Shaitan]

Kunal, the Kolkata class is comparable to the Type 45 Deatroyer of the Royal Navy. This boat does not even have land attack capability unless if desired in the future it can be upgraded. Still this is a 8000 ton boat.

Type 45 destroyer

I feel like the Barak 8's range is to small.

China's surface to air HQ-9 has a range of 200km.

 

[black eagle]

Satpura's various surveillance & electronic devices....

Via: Trishul Blog

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I feel like the Barak 8's range is to small.

China's surface to air HQ-9 has a range of 200km.

Because its meant for Fleet air defense in terms of SAM, PLAN Sam is clone of S-300 Naval version of S-300PMU1..

Its Degin to shoot down missiles and aircraft at med & High altitude..

To mount such system we have to make a new class of Ships..

Barak 8 is for Ship defense and its meant to target low & mid altitude targets..

 

[plugwater]

I feel like the Barak 8's range is to small.

China's surface to air HQ-9 has a range of 200km.

Because its meant for Fleet air defense in terms of SAM, PLAN Sam is clone of S-300 Naval version of S-300PMU1..

Its Degin to shoot down missiles and aircraft at med & High altitude..

To mount such system we have to make a new class of Ships..

Barak 8 is for Ship defense and its meant to target low & mid altitude targets..

Against cruise missiles both Barak and HQ can do the job very well.

Against aircraft HQ is better than Barak in range.

Both are not effective against Ballistic missile.

 

[ace009]

So, does Indian Navy have any ABM protection? What about Aegis? The Americans wanted to sell it to India - did IN buy it?

 

[plugwater]

So, does Indian Navy have any ABM protection? What about Aegis? The Americans wanted to sell it to India - did IN buy it?

No, we dont have any.

Americans could sell Aegis but looks like we are not interested in it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

So, does Indian Navy have any ABM protection? What about Aegis? The Americans wanted to sell it to India - did IN buy it?

we are developing Barak-8 with Israelis older versions were more for cruise missiles but can possible be used against ballistic missiles??,expected to arrive 2012. PDV which is a modified prithvi (Danush) possibly can be used .

http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/11/09/idINIndia-43809220091109

Made by state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd., the Barak-8 is designed for use aboard ships and can shoot down incoming missiles, planes and drones. The most advanced version can be also deployed on land, the Israeli official said.

 

[plugwater]

we are developing Barak-8 with Israelis older versions were more for cruise missiles but can possible be used against ballistic missiles??,expected to arrive 2012. PDV which is a modified prithvi (Danush) possibly can be used .

India buys upgraded Israeli air defences for $1.1bn | Reuters

Made by state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd., the Barak-8 is designed for use aboard ships and can shoot down incoming missiles, planes and drones. The most advanced version can be also deployed on land, the Israeli official said.

No LF, Barak is useless against Ballistic missile.

PDV is for terminal interception which when deployed in ships can only be used when the ship is in coastal areas near cities. So most suitable options to deploy in naval vessels are AD-1 and AD-2, which are for mid course interception.

 

[ace009]

Right now only the USN, French/ Italian Navies and the PLAN have indegenous ABM capabilities in their ships. Others use one of these.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Against cruise missiles both Barak and HQ can do the job very well.

Against aircraft HQ is better than Barak in range.

Both are not effective against Ballistic missile.

HQ-9 is based on Russian S-300 NAVAL varient..

The system is developed to neutralize BMD and Aircrafts at long range..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

sm-3 schematic

 

[plugwater]

HQ-9 is based on Russian S-300 NAVAL varient..

The system is developed to neutralize BMD and Aircrafts at long range..

Sir, S-300 is mainly for aircrafts and it can do some BMD work.

It is no way close to SM-3 nor any other BMD missiles.

 

[Ray]

Just a curious Q .Why there is and was no stuff named after Punjab in Indian armed forces???

INS Beas

INS Ranjit

INS Sutlej

 

[sandeepdg]

As of now, only the Kolkata class destroyers will carry the Nirbhay cruise missile, that too the last 4 under development under Project 15B. I feel that though Brahmos is deployed in most frigates and destroyers, its 290 km range is a real handicap. Efforts should be made to deploy the Nirbhay which is supposed to have a range 700-1000 kms in the frigates as well. Especially the Shivalik class, Talwar class, Brahmaputra class and Godavari class if possible and also in the Delhi class destroyers. Another option would be increase the range of Brahmos, which may not be possible since its a joint development project. Just 4 destroyers of Kolkata class carrying the Nirbhay is very less. Also preferable, if we can explore options to induct the Nirbhay in all our current subs and future ones like the Scorpene and those under P-75I.

The French navy is developing a dozen of the FREMM & FREDA frigates, as Armand pointed out in another thread, each of which carries 16 Scalp cruise missiles, with a range of 1000 km each. That means the 12 frigates combined will carry a complement of 192 Scalps ! That's freaking huge ! Plus six Barracuda subs again with a complement of around 12 Scalps each. We also need to have more longer range cruise missiles in decent numbers in most of our frigates and destroyers and subs. Just the Brahmos is not enough !

India seriously lacks in missile strength for a country of its size.