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INS Aridaman: India begins work on 2nd nuclear submarine
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Hi guys, what i would like to know is , India has the capabilities to build a hull for a nuclear submarine and all of is mission systems (sonar , uhf/vhf undersea comms, torpedo, etc), so why in hell can't DRDO/NAVY come up with a , line for conventional submarines .
Basically a scaled down version of the Arihant , with conventional engines or even fuel cell engines and aip. Paying the French or Germans is like sowing the seeds of our own destruction, since they think nothing to sell basically the same ships/submarines to Pakistan, India or even China , albeit with different names for the same product . In my view this is the old British divide and conquer , with a twist .
Basically a scaled down version of the Arihant , with conventional engines or even fuel cell engines and aip. Paying the French or Germans is like sowing the seeds of our own destruction, since they think nothing to sell basically the same ships/submarines to Pakistan, India or even China , albeit with different names for the same product . In my view this is the old British divide and conquer , with a twist .
Hi Yusuf,
Well no offense that's still in the realm of pipe dreams , besides its been proven by and USN and specially the French and Germans that in littoral waters the conventional submarines have an edge , because (a) they are cheaper to build, (b) specially in India's case , we face Pakistani and Chinese conventional submarines.
Since our subs primary objective would be to protect the carrier battle groups which India seems to be building and then hunt the enemies subs and surface warships as well as interdiction/blockade of ports . Lets face it India doesn't have the money to build the SSNs and SSBNs , in those quantity , or build them fast enough.
Well no offense that's still in the realm of pipe dreams , besides its been proven by and USN and specially the French and Germans that in littoral waters the conventional submarines have an edge , because (a) they are cheaper to build, (b) specially in India's case , we face Pakistani and Chinese conventional submarines.
Since our subs primary objective would be to protect the carrier battle groups which India seems to be building and then hunt the enemies subs and surface warships as well as interdiction/blockade of ports . Lets face it India doesn't have the money to build the SSNs and SSBNs , in those quantity , or build them fast enough.
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india wants a platform to launch nuke that can remain hidden and out of sight for longer period of time. a nuke sub not resurfacing for long and anywhere in arabian sea having missile with 3,500 km range( assuming k4 being operational in near future) will be traumatic for pakistanis. think from their side- a set of nuke sub anywhere within the 3,500 km from pak mainland in vast arabian sea having capability to launch a nuke from there. how to search it how to destroy or stop it. this will be the fear in them. even its not there then also the resource pakis gonna devote in finding it in such a huge area will be high thus making them uncomfortable.
after successful integration of k4 equipped nuke subs india will see less arrogance from pak side.
more over india at present doesnt seems to be intersted in having carrier protecting subs or attack subs.
the statements from def people is making it clear india wants a reliable platform not weapon
after successful integration of k4 equipped nuke subs india will see less arrogance from pak side.
more over india at present doesnt seems to be intersted in having carrier protecting subs or attack subs.
the statements from def people is making it clear india wants a reliable platform not weapon
Look I applaud both agentperry and Yusuf for their optimism about the capabilities of the Indian submarine arm , but till date there has been no tests or proof that a 3,500km SLBM will be available for years yet, the only announcement of a long range missile is the Agni-V , which is land based , as for Pakistan and Chinese , you can't worry about what they will do or won't do, India should concentrate on building indigenous platforms , to prepare for the worst case scenario and blunt the technology denial regimes that the western countries USA, Europe and Russians even the Israel have from time to time hit India with.
So please lets get real and talk of what we have instead of pipe dreams.
So please lets get real and talk of what we have instead of pipe dreams.
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Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
The Hindu : News / National : Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
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At a time when diminishing operational availability of its conventional submarine fleet has put the Navy in dire straits, it has some reason to cheer.
Informed sources told The Hindu that the construction of a second Arihant-class nuclear submarine, to be named INS Aridaman, is moving fast at the Shipbuilding Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. It is slated for launch by this year-end or in the first quarter of next year.
"The boat, under outfitting now, is headed for a year-end launch. Meanwhile, hull fabrication is on for the third Arihant-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine," the sources said.
"Unlike surface vessels, submarines are fully outfitted before launch, which makes it a prerequisite for its weapons to be tested and ready well in advance."
The first submarine of the class, INS Arihant, launched in July 2009, Arihant just completed its harbour acceptance trials and is set to undergo the crucial sea acceptance trials in February.
"This will be followed by weapon trials before the submarine is formally inducted into the Navy, hopefully in 2013, when the country will attain the much-desired nuclear triad," the sources said.
Concurrently, nuclear-powered submarine INS Chakra, borrowed on a 10-year lease from Russia mainly for training purposes, will be inducted in the latter half of 2012.
Troubled by the eroding strength of its conventional underwater arm, the Navy's 'blue water' aspirations remained in the realm of wishful thinking, with the force failing to add event a single submarine to its inventory in the last decade.
With the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) programme to indigenously design and build nuclear-powered attack submarines gaining momentum after years of indecision and disorientation in the 1990s, the goal, claimed the sources, was within reach now.
Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma said last year that once commissioned, INS Arihant would be deployed on 'deterrent (combat) patrol.'
Although it would be home-ported in Visakhapatnam, the submarine, armed with nuclear-tipped K-15 or B-5 ballistic missiles and having a range of about 750 km, would offer effective deterrence against Pakistan, the sources pointed out. The missiles are developed under the Sagarika programme.
Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, the 112 metre-long Arihant-class of boomer submarines are powered by indigenously-built 80-MW nuclear power plants.
Each submarine is said to store 12 K-15 missiles besides torpedoes and torpedo-launched cruise missiles.
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OBSOLETE FLEET
While the ATV project is on track, the Navy finds its back against the wall having to operate a flagging fleet of Russian Kilo-class and German HDW conventional diesel-electric submarines, 14 in all, 75 per cent of which are over the hill.
"The decline in the operational availability of submarines [as low as 40 per cent] has seriously compromised the force's vital sea denial capability. The absence of Air Independent Propulsion, which obviates the need for conventional submarines to surface frequently for recharging their batteries thereby enhancing their endurance is another debilitating factor," said the sources.
The Hindu : News / National : Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
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At a time when diminishing operational availability of its conventional submarine fleet has put the Navy in dire straits, it has some reason to cheer.
Informed sources told The Hindu that the construction of a second Arihant-class nuclear submarine, to be named INS Aridaman, is moving fast at the Shipbuilding Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. It is slated for launch by this year-end or in the first quarter of next year.
"The boat, under outfitting now, is headed for a year-end launch. Meanwhile, hull fabrication is on for the third Arihant-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine," the sources said.
"Unlike surface vessels, submarines are fully outfitted before launch, which makes it a prerequisite for its weapons to be tested and ready well in advance."
The first submarine of the class, INS Arihant, launched in July 2009, Arihant just completed its harbour acceptance trials and is set to undergo the crucial sea acceptance trials in February.
"This will be followed by weapon trials before the submarine is formally inducted into the Navy, hopefully in 2013, when the country will attain the much-desired nuclear triad," the sources said.
Concurrently, nuclear-powered submarine INS Chakra, borrowed on a 10-year lease from Russia mainly for training purposes, will be inducted in the latter half of 2012.
Troubled by the eroding strength of its conventional underwater arm, the Navy's 'blue water' aspirations remained in the realm of wishful thinking, with the force failing to add event a single submarine to its inventory in the last decade.
With the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) programme to indigenously design and build nuclear-powered attack submarines gaining momentum after years of indecision and disorientation in the 1990s, the goal, claimed the sources, was within reach now.
Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma said last year that once commissioned, INS Arihant would be deployed on 'deterrent (combat) patrol.'
Although it would be home-ported in Visakhapatnam, the submarine, armed with nuclear-tipped K-15 or B-5 ballistic missiles and having a range of about 750 km, would offer effective deterrence against Pakistan, the sources pointed out. The missiles are developed under the Sagarika programme.
Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, the 112 metre-long Arihant-class of boomer submarines are powered by indigenously-built 80-MW nuclear power plants.
Each submarine is said to store 12 K-15 missiles besides torpedoes and torpedo-launched cruise missiles.
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OBSOLETE FLEET
While the ATV project is on track, the Navy finds its back against the wall having to operate a flagging fleet of Russian Kilo-class and German HDW conventional diesel-electric submarines, 14 in all, 75 per cent of which are over the hill.
"The decline in the operational availability of submarines [as low as 40 per cent] has seriously compromised the force's vital sea denial capability. The absence of Air Independent Propulsion, which obviates the need for conventional submarines to surface frequently for recharging their batteries thereby enhancing their endurance is another debilitating factor," said the sources.
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Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
KOCHI, January 14, 2012
At a time when diminishing operational availability of its conventional submarine fleet has put the Navy in dire straits, it has some reason to cheer.
Informed sources told The Hindu that the construction of a second Arihant-class nuclear submarine, to be named INS Aridaman, is moving fast at the Shipbuilding Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. It is slated for launch by this year-end or in the first quarter of next year.
blah blah blah banned.............
Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, the 112 metre-long Arihant-class of boomer submarines are powered by indigenously-built 80-MW nuclear power plants. Each submarine is said to store 12 K-15 missiles besides torpedoes and torpedo-launched cruise missiles.
OBSOLETE FLEET
While the ATV project is on track, the Navy finds its back against the wall having to operate a flagging fleet of Russian Kilo-class and German HDW conventional diesel-electric submarines, 14 in all, 75 per cent of which are over the hill.
"banned..................absence of Air Independent Propulsion, which obviates the need for conventional submarines to surface frequently for recharging their batteries thereby enhancing their endurance is another debilitating factor," said the sources.
The Hindu : News / National : Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
KOCHI, January 14, 2012
At a time when diminishing operational availability of its conventional submarine fleet has put the Navy in dire straits, it has some reason to cheer.
Informed sources told The Hindu that the construction of a second Arihant-class nuclear submarine, to be named INS Aridaman, is moving fast at the Shipbuilding Centre (SBC) in Visakhapatnam. It is slated for launch by this year-end or in the first quarter of next year.
blah blah blah banned.............
Displacing about 6,000 tonnes, the 112 metre-long Arihant-class of boomer submarines are powered by indigenously-built 80-MW nuclear power plants. Each submarine is said to store 12 K-15 missiles besides torpedoes and torpedo-launched cruise missiles.
OBSOLETE FLEET
While the ATV project is on track, the Navy finds its back against the wall having to operate a flagging fleet of Russian Kilo-class and German HDW conventional diesel-electric submarines, 14 in all, 75 per cent of which are over the hill.
"banned..................absence of Air Independent Propulsion, which obviates the need for conventional submarines to surface frequently for recharging their batteries thereby enhancing their endurance is another debilitating factor," said the sources.
The Hindu : News / National : Second nuclear submarine headed for year-end launch
How in the world is L&T able to deliver a nuclear submarine so fast and it take MDL so many years and delays for it to deliver a conventional submarine?
Although execellent news, great for the IN.... I hope we continue sub building and have a fleet of 5 SSN+ 5 SSBN by 2025. It will be interesting to see how many tubes this second sub has, I hope they go for a elongated hull with 6-8 tubes. Since the design is based on the Charlie class I don't think they would have much problem just to elongate the hull and add more tubes to the boat.
If nuclear sub building is going so well in India then I think there should be a revision in our requirements... this is what i think we should go for by 2030
Scorpenes 6+3
Project 75I 6+3
Arihant Class 6
Akula class 2
SSN 4
this should meet our goal of 30 subs plus 12 of those will be nuclear boats making it a lot more potent....
Although execellent news, great for the IN.... I hope we continue sub building and have a fleet of 5 SSN+ 5 SSBN by 2025. It will be interesting to see how many tubes this second sub has, I hope they go for a elongated hull with 6-8 tubes. Since the design is based on the Charlie class I don't think they would have much problem just to elongate the hull and add more tubes to the boat.
If nuclear sub building is going so well in India then I think there should be a revision in our requirements... this is what i think we should go for by 2030
Scorpenes 6+3
Project 75I 6+3
Arihant Class 6
Akula class 2
SSN 4
this should meet our goal of 30 subs plus 12 of those will be nuclear boats making it a lot more potent....
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There is only one line for nuke sub while there are two for Scorpene. More will be built. There is one line for building subs in Hazira and the entire thing is assembled in Vizag. It takes three years for the assembly at Vizag, so we can see one sub launched every three years.
IN is looking at a mix of SSNs and SSBNs. I guess one more assembly line may be created for the nuke subs.
IN is looking at a mix of SSNs and SSBNs. I guess one more assembly line may be created for the nuke subs.
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mods please mearse these thread.
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http://defenceforumindia.com/strate...nuclear-submarine-headed-year-end-launch.html
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Good news, More Nuke subs, An Indian Nuke Submarine Evolution on the way..
