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I guess Vietnam, Philippine and Malaysia also receive this "loud and clear message" assuming the fact that their policy makers are not as dumb as the posters in here.
Absolutely my point. Nice to know that you agree to my point
A few Chinese dumb posters think in Numbers again.like 40 ships of other nations vs the 1 ship of Chinese
About that part cuz the ships of Vietnam, Philippine and Malasysia have been sunk routinely. but Indonesia having a greater economic link with Chinese have so far they were ignored the incursions.
But from this event onwards things will change.Hope the explosion of sinking the Chinese ship was LOUD and CLEAR.
if not I think Indonesia will repeat the message even louder and clearer for the Chinese circuits.
You can check the chronology of the events taken by the Indonesian Govt in various articles to reach to this point to send the message Loud and Clear. :D
You should read..very interesting articles at it.

Based on the logic of our Indian friends here that is the way you form an alliance against your enemy: making friend by sinking the boats.
:D
Based on your logic...incursion into friends territory will make him even friendlier :D :D :D

Actually based on real logic incursion makes enemies than friends.
Incursion makes enemies thereby the boat gets sunk
:D

According to your logic your chinese troops were trying to make friends with India by pitching tents inside the Indian territory.
:D

Based on our logic..Incursion is done by enemies
Alliance is done between nations who gets trespassed by the Chinese.
 

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Why Did Indonesia Just Sink a Vessel From China?
A brief look behind a significant development.


By Prashanth Parameswaran
May 22, 2015

As I reported previously, on Wednesday Indonesia sank a Chinese vessel caught fishing illegally in Indonesian waters near the South China Sea, the first such instance since President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo declared war on illegal fishing (See: “Indonesia Sinks First Vessel From China Under Jokowi”). The boat was among 41 vessels simultaneously destroyed to commemorate National Awakening Day, with the others being from neighboring states including the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam.

But why did the Jokowi government choose to sink its first Chinese vessel now?

A standard reply from government officials would be that the sinking of the Chinese vessel, just like the sinking of any other vessel, was scheduled in line with legal proceedings. That is, the timing of the sinking of the empty Chinese vessel was dependent on when other legal issues were resolved via court proceedings and when the proper authorization was obtained.

It is certainly true that the legal aspect of this is significant. Close observers know there has been an ongoing debate about the extent to which Indonesian practices are conform with international law, particularly the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) (See: “Explaining Indonesia’s ‘Sink The Vessels Policy’ Under Jokowi”). Thus far, Jakarta has displayed regard for the law even while carrying out its controversial policy.

But it is also true that the legal argument leaves much left to be desired. First, it accounts neither for the clear differences in the way that these sinkings have been carried out nor Indonesia’s greater caution in dealing with China on this question relative to other countries. While Indonesia has sunk boats from Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam over the past few months, it held off on sinking ships from China until this week, despite seizing them and claiming that it would not be afraid to do so. (See: “Indonesia May Sink Chinese Vessels: Jokowi Adviser”). And as I noted in my previous piece, even when it did sink a Chinese vessel, the way it did so — by placing it among 41 vessels in line with a particular national occasion, rather than sinking the Chinese ship alone or in a smaller group — suggested that Jakarta was more cognizant about backlash in this case than it has been in others.

By choosing to finally sink a Chinese vessel now, Jakarta may be signaling not only its willingness to apply its ‘sink the vessels’ policy consistently, but perhaps its desire to take a harder line on illegal fishing more generally as well — albeit within limits. It was notable, for instance, that Indonesia’s Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti told The Jakarta Post following the sinking that the government had been too lenient in dealing with illegal fishing. She also said that Jakarta was considering sinking vessels ‘on the spot’ — with just a permit from the court instead of the full judicial process.

Second, it is far from clear whether the legal argument fully accounts for why this particular vessel was selected to be sunk at this time. According to The Jakarta Post, the vessel that was sunk — the Gui Xie Yu 12661 — was seized almost six years ago on June 20, 2009 for fishing in Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the South China Sea. That suggests that it was embroiled in a flashpoint in Sino-Indonesian relations during that time, where eight boats containing 75 Chinese fishermen were seized for infringing on Jakarta’s EEZ. While an agreement was eventually worked out between the two countries, it is interesting that this was the first Chinese vessel to be sunk years later under the Jokowi administration. Given this government’s prickliness on sovereignty questions, along with rising concerns about China’s nine-dash line claim in the South China Sea, observers can’t be blamed for suspecting that something more than just coincidence may be at play (See for instance: “Natuna Is Indonesian, Not Chinese: Jokowi Adviser”).
http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/why-did-indonesia-just-sink-a-vessel-from-china/

Indonesia seems to be making some kind of statement here.......
Wow .That's how you replay to the bullies . Wonder how long Chinese think tanks will make the same mistakes again and again . Warfare might have been changed in the past decades but the winning combo of "Surprise and Hit hard when enemy is not aware " will never change . What Chinese are doing is digging their own grave by just Massive provocation but do nothing other than Warnings . This will push their enemies to arm themselves to thwart any Chinese aggression . What a failure of strategic planning by CCP . Chinese have more enemies than anyone . Russia too but not right under their nose and breathing on their neck .

Hope others will follow too. Russians the only support for China other than few failed States like Pakis, NK and other soft loans scavengers. point to note is that Russians have deeper ties , strategic ties with most powerful enemies of China starting from India , Vietnam to NK .

USN Pacific fleet also confirms that they are mulling for sending their war ships along with Surveillance Aircraft during press release on recent confrontation where Chinese flailed attempt to hack US RQ-4 patrol drone . Where Chinese contacted P8A patrolling over the head and said " This is China , You GO !!!" :D But US continued its patrol and promises for more larger patrols in coming days

This proves Chinese won't do a thing against super powers , patriotic countries who don't give a damn about the end result but confront China at will .

Lots of appreciations must be conveyed to Indonesian Politicians.
 

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As usual Indian posters shy away somehow from the very fact of one Chinese ship vs. 40+ sunk of other countries. Such pavlovian responses hv been conditioned by flashy words like “Chinese” , which sets Indians to ignore automatically others involved such as Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Vietnam and so on.

Jokowi the Indonesian Prez. , who is no different from Modi another 3rd world politician, wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity. Old wine in new bottles, again!


~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
 

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As usual Indian posters shy away somehow from the very fact of one Chinese ship vs. 40+ sunk of other countries. Such pavlovian responses hv been conditioned by flashy words like “Chinese” , which sets Indians to ignore automatically others involved such as Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Vietnam and so on.

Jokowi the Indonesian Prez. , who is no different from Modi another 3rd world politician, wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity. Old wine in new bottles, again!


~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~

Love the sentence:

"Wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity"

Cynicism - Is the above part of PRC CCP policy
 

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Love the sentence:

"Wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity"

Cynicism - Is the above part of PRC CCP policy
No, that is part of India policy. CCP doesn't have that luxury: foreign affairs is the last area they want public attention. PRC's foreign policy has been always getting far more critics than her domestic affairs from public.
 

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sinking the fishing boats of poor fishermen, who are trying to make a living is pure cowardice. When will this world learn some minimum humanity ?
 

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No, that is part of India policy. CCP doesn't have that luxury: foreign affairs is the last area they want public attention. PRC's foreign policy has been always getting far more critics than her domestic affairs from public.
Diversion is not the same to what you are focusing on that is people attention and criticism. I love the sentence used and is it part of PRC CPC policy (by the questions asked in Singapore seems that is):

"Wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity"

For example if you would like that my attention to be diverted and we talk about PRC foreign policy like you said PRC foreign policy is the last area that needs public attention ... there can be critics.
 

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Diversion is not the same to what you are focusing on that is people attention and criticism. I love the sentence used and is it part of PRC CPC policy (by the questions asked in Singapore seems that is):

"Wishes to ignite a regional diplomatic uproar in order to divert public attention from their underperformance on domestic KPIs amid waning popularity"

For example if you would like that my attention to be diverted and we talk about PRC foreign policy like you said PRC foreign policy is the last area that needs public attention ... there can be critics.
No, the CCP's internal structure decides that this kind of policy doesn't work for CCP. The leaders of CCP are supposed to responsible for everything. Being tough internationally may win their popularity among public, but means nothing to their comrades within senior CCP officials.

Besides, Chinese political tradition is always "internal first, foreign sectors later", except the extreme situations like war, there is no foreign affair can divert public attention long enough.
 

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No, the CCP's internal structure decides that this kind of policy doesn't work for CCP. The leaders of CCP are supposed to responsible for everything. Being tough internationally may win their popularity among public, but means nothing to their comrades within senior CCP officials.

Besides, Chinese political tradition is always "internal first, foreign sectors later", except the extreme situations like war, there is no foreign affair can divert public attention long enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_anti-Japanese_demonstrations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_China_anti-Japanese_demonstrations

i am wishing that it is true what you say because the ramifications are wide on CPC performance and nonperformance. PRC is a unprecedented experiment with out-sized numbers and the balance and checks are not what a democratic country observes (non violent transparent constitutional observance). i am wishing no one gets hurt and wishing all the best for everyone and even the CPC because sometimes the thought of its failure is astounding on the mind.
 

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