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India recently, voted Yes for the draft resolution for the Goldstone Report highlighting the War crimes during the Gaza War. I was kind of thinking India would abstain seeing that Israel and US were plugging all their contacts to get countries to vote NO or atleast Abstain. Will this have any impact on the Relations? I doubt it.
both israel and india too know full well that voting in that glamorous talk -shop, ths UNSC ,( which by the way did absolutely noting to stop the china invasion of tibet nor the application of UN resolutions to free the west bank ) and life on the ground are 2 very different realities.

india will vote according to the political hypocracies common to each and every nation on this globe, in support of palestine etc etc while on the ground, the relationship with israel will march right up to a high level and without hesitation.

after alll many arab countries are themselves doing that and why should india be an exception.
 

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India, Israel to ramp up military ties

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India and Israel have decided to further bolster their already expansive military ties, especially in areas like joint R&D defence projects, counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing.
This came after visiting Israeli Defence Forces chief of general staff Lt-General Gabi Ashkenazi met national security advisor M K Narayanan, Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik and Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma on Wednesday.
Lt-Gen Ashkenazi is also slated to visit the Jaipur-based South-Western Army Command, one of the six operational commands of the 1.13-million strong Indian Army.
Indian armed forces have inducted a wide array of Israeli military hardware and software, ranging from UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), electronic warfare suites and night-vision devices to missiles, anti-missile defence systems and sophisticated radars, after the 1999 Kargil conflict. Israel since then has rapidly emerged as India’s second largest defence supplier, notching up business worth a staggering $9 billion.
The focus now is on having joint R&D projects in fields like high-endurance and rotary UAVs, submarine-launched cruise missiles, anti-ballistic missile systems, network-centric operations, micro-satellite surveillance systems, advanced precision-guided munitions (PGMs) and third-generation night-vision devices.
The special status accorded to Israel can be gauged from the fact that the UPA government has not blacklisted Israeli armament companies despite allegations of kickbacks.


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India and Israel to boost defence ties
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New Delhi: India and Israel have decided to further bolster their already expansive military ties, especially in areas like joint R&D defence projects, counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing.
This came after visiting Israeli Defence Forces chief of general staff Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi met national security adviser M K Narayanan, Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik and Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma on Wednesday.
Ashkenazi is also slated to visit the Jaipur-based South-Western Army Command, one of the six operational commands of the 1.13-million strong Indian Army. Indian armed forces have inducted a wide array of Israeli military hardware and software, ranging from UAVs, electronic warfare suites and night-vision devices to missiles, anti-missile defence systems, after ’99 Kargil conflict. Israel since then has rapidly emerged as India’s second largest defence supplier.

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The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Israel defence links grow

high-level team from the Israel defence establishment will hold talks here tomorrow with Indian military and security officials on missile shield, cyber warfare and electronic surveillance as they chart the course for bilateral military ties over the next two years.

Neither New Delhi nor Tel Aviv advertises the intensity of their defence relationship, but the frequency of visits and booming arms sales by Israel are evidence of how robust the ties are.

This is the second visit by a high-level Israeli military team to India this month. The chief of the Israeli defence forces, Lt General Gabi Ashkenazi, visited Delhi in the second week of December.

Earlier in November, India’s chief of army staff and the chairman, chiefs of staff committee, General Deepak Kapoor, had visited Israel.

The Israeli delegation to tomorrow’s meeting of a joint working group on defence co-operation will be led by Brigadier General (retired) Pinchas Buchris, the director general in Tel Aviv’s defence ministry. Buchris last visited India in January 2008.The Indian side will be led by defence secretary Praveen Kumar.

Buchris is likely to step down in January following an offer to resign amid a row over appointments with Israel defence minister and former Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

For nearly three years now, Buchris has been overseeing Israel’s defence relationship with India, Tel Aviv’s biggest buyer of arms, ammunition and security systems. Israel’s military sales to India in the last five years have topped $5 billion.

The sales could, however, be affected because of a ban on trading with Israeli Military Industries (IMI), which supplies special forces equipment and has joint ventures with India’s Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) to manufacture ammunition. The ban was imposed pending investigation into charges that the Israel government-owned firm was close to the former chief of the OFB who was arrested on charges of accepting bribes.

The issue of the blacklisting of the IMI is likely to figure in the talks because not only is it affecting sales, it could also be counter-productive for the Indian military that uses Israeli military hardware in large measure.

Also on the table for discussions are a joint venture between India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Israel Aircraft Industries to co-produce a long-range surface-to-air missile for the Indian Navy and a medium-range surface-to-air missile for the Indian Air Force.

The initial cost of the long-range missile project is estimated to be over Rs 2,600 crore and that of the medium-range project nearly Rs 11,000 crore.

Buchris is scheduled to meet defence minister A.K. Antony, national security adviser M.K. Narayanan, the chiefs of the armed forces and DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat, who is also the scientific adviser to the defence minister.
 

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Indian and Israeli defense officials and top planners met here Dec. 22 to discuss ways to increase defense ties, boost counter-terror efforts and share intelligence.

The sides also discussed potential Israeli training for Indian special forces. Sources said the sides are also discussing a proposed joint effort to develop a land-warfare missile in a program that might be similar to the Indian Air Force's February agreement to spend $2.2 billion to create a 70-kilometer surface-to-air missile

The meeting of the Joint Working Group (JWG) on Defence was co-chaired by the director-general of Israeli Defence Ministry retired Brigadier-General Pinchas Buchris and Indian Defence Secretary Pradeep Kumar.
 

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Israeli defense delegation departs secretly for India

Defense delegation departs secretly for India

Al-Houra TV station says delegation headed by National Security Advisor Arad to discuss al-Qaeda, Iranian threats, and possibly safety of Israeli tourists in India

An Israeli defense delegation headed by National Security Advisor Uzi Arad has departed secretly for India, according to American Arab-language television station al-Houra.

According to the report, published Monday, the delegation plans on holding discussions on the imminent threat from al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The delegation reportedly will express its concern that Pakistani nuclear weapons may fall into the wrong hands.

It was also reported that the sides will discuss the Iranian nuclear program, as well as potential defense and intelligence cooperation.

India recently marked the first anniversary of the terror attacks in Mumbai, which killed 166 people. About a month-and-a-half ago seven Pakistanis suspected of involvement in last year's attacks were indicted on terrorism charges by Pakistani authorities.

The discussions in India may also focus on the safety of Israeli tourists in India. Israel's Counter-Terrorism Bureau (CTB) recently said the threat of possible attacks against Israelis traveling in India has become "significantly more severe."

The bureau said there was a "concrete threat" of attacks on Chabad centers and synagogues throughout India, including Goa, as well as on sites frequented by Israelis and westerners.

On Rosh Hashanah eve the CTB warned Israelis to refrain from visiting crowded tourist hubs that are not secured by armed guards. Israelis were also advised not to travel to Jammu and Kashmir, India's northernmost state.

Israel is the leading exporter of weapons to India.
 

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India, Israel to float dedicated fund for R&D collaboration

Mumbai: Research and Development operations between India and Israel are set to get a push with both countries readying to set up a dedicated R&D fund.

The new fund, unlike existing ones, will also finance non-R&D projects and has been primarily formed to promote joint agriculture, water and energy initiatives between both the nations, Israel Minister of Industry, Trade and Labour Benjamin Fuad Ben-Eliezer told a news agency here.

"The fund will allow India to tap Israeli expertise in the fields of agriculture, water and energy. At the same time, Israel will get the chance to develop and apply its technologies in the Indian market," he said.


With a view to enhance the bilateral trade, Israel has declared India as a key market and plans to set up its third economic office here, the minister said. "We are opening up a new economic office this year with existing two economic offices in New Delhi and Mumbai. These offices assist the numerous Israeli companies that wish to operate in the Indian market," Ben-Eliezer said.

Trade between the both countries rose from USD 200 million in 2001 to USD 1.4 billion in 2008 except diamond trade.

Stressing on the need for enhanced cooperation between the two nations, the minister said the full potential for trade between India and Israel are yet to be realised.
 

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India to hold wide-ranging strategic talks with US, Israel - India - The Times of India

Robert Gates and Israeli Navy chief Vice-Admiral Eliezer Marom slated to hold wide-ranging talks here over the next few days.

The discussions will range from regional security issues, especially with violence showing no signs of abating in the Af-Pak region, and its implications for India to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing.

Gates has meetings lined up with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, defence minister A K Antony and foreign minister S M Krishna, among others, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

"We will, of course, reiterate to the Obama administration that, even after 26/11, Pakistan is not doing enough to crack down on terrorism emanating from its soil against India,'' said an official. Gates, incidentally, will arrive here after quick trips to Kabul and Islamabad.

The Israeli Navy chief, in turn, will hold discussions with Antony and the three Service chiefs, among others, apart from visiting the South-Western Army Command at Jaipur and the Western Naval Command at Mumbai during his visit starting Tuesday.

Both US and Israel are eager to sell more and more military hardware and software to India. India, for instance, is already moving towards inking its largest-ever defence deal with US to acquire 10 C-17 Globemaster-III giant strategic airlift aircraft, each of which comes for over a whopping $220 million, as reported by TOI earlier.

This will overtake the $2.1 billion contract for eight Boeing P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft inked last year, which in turn came after the $962 million deal for six C-130J `Super Hercules' planes in 2007.

Having already finalised the End-Use Monitoring Agreement (EUMA), India and US are now on course to seal the Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). The two pacts are required under US domestic laws to ensure compliance with sensitive technology control requirements.

Israel, on its part, is already the second largest defence supplier to India after Russia, with New Delhi having done military business worth around $9 billion with Tel Aviv since the 1999 Kargil conflict.

The focus in Indo-Israeli military partnership is now on having more joint R&D projects, with New Delhi keen to ensure that the ongoing ones fructify within specified timeframes.

The Rs 2,606 crore project between DRDO and Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) to develop a supersonic 70-km range Barak-NG (next generation) missile defence system for Indian Navy, for instance, is slated for completion by May 2011.

IAF, too, wants to induct nine air defence squadrons under the mammoth Rs 10,075 crore DRDO-IAI project to develop a medium-range surface-to-air missile (MR-SAM) system, capable of detecting and destroying hostile aircraft at a 80-km range, at the earliest.
 

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http://www.topnews.in/law/israeli-navy-chief-inspects-guard-honour-meets-his-indian-counterpart-23516http://www.topnews.in/law/israeli-navy-chief-inspects-guard-honour-meets-his-indian-counterpart-23516

New Delhi, Jan 19 : Israeli Navy chief Vice-Admiral Eliezer Marom inspected a guard of honour in New Delhi on Tuesday and later met Indian Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma, with the aim of expanding strategic-military ties between the two nations.

Vice-Admiral Marom is slated to hold wide-ranging talks in the next few days for expanding strategic military ties.

The Israeli Navy chief is also expected to hold discussions with Defence Minister A. K Antony, Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor and Air Chief Marshal PV Naik.

During his visit, Vice-Admiral Marom will also visit the South-Western Army Command in Jaipur and the Western Naval Command in Mumbai.

Israel is eager to sell more and more military hardware and software to India.

Israel, on its part, is already the second largest defence supplier to India after Russia, with New Delhi having done military business worth around $9 billion with Tel Aviv since the 1999 Kargil conflict.

The focus in Indo-Israeli military partnership is now on having more joint R&D projects, with New Delhi keen to ensure that the ongoing ones fructify within specified timeframes.

The Rs 2,606 crore project between DRDO and Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) to develop a supersonic 70-km range Barak-NG (next generation) missile defence system for Indian Navy, for instance, is slated for completion by May 2011.

IAF, too, wants to induct nine air defence squadrons under the mammoth Rs 10,075 crore DRDO-IAI project to develop a medium-range surface-to-air missile (MR-SAM) system, capable of detecting and destroying hostile aircraft at a 80-km range, at the earliest. (ANI)
 

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Israel develops capabilities, India pays

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/israel-develops-capabilities-india-pays/385075/


For many Indian commentators, especially those on the right, Israel provides an inspiring example of how to deal with external threat. One could equally argue that notwithstanding its comfortable position as the regional hegemon, Israel and its citizens remain insecure, xenophobic and afflicted by a disturbing sense of victimhood. It’s a debate that continues, especially in that country.


What Israel unquestionably does illustrate for India — with this country paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually for the lesson — is a well-considered plan for building its defence industry. In becoming India’s biggest defence supplier, Israel has bared a hard-nosed strategy that our policy-makers must grasp and emulate.

Since Israel does not market aircraft or ships, its defence companies have focused on the lucrative market for upgrading India’s predominantly Russian weaponry, including MiG-21 fighters, ship-borne missiles and T-72 tanks. Their first step was to understand Russian technology, for which Israeli defence companies accepted initial contracts at cost price to build their engineers’ capabilities. With that experience gained — at India’s cost, one must note — Israeli systems designers progressively graduated up the complexity scale. Today, Israel’s defence industry, with capabilities honed across a generation of Russian platforms, can bid across the globe.

The opportunities for Israel are vast. Some 30,000 T-72 tanks are in service worldwide, including 2,500 in India. But Israel, not India or Russia, will feed off that upgrade market. India provided Israel with the tanks, the opportunity and the money for creating that capability. Ironically, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) ignored India’s own defence industry; its undeniable competence could have been as easily translated into capability.

Israeli industry garnered another windfall from its offer to build the Phalcon Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS). This airborne radar mounted on a Russian IL-76 aircraft, allows airborne controllers to monitor and control airspace for hundreds of kilometres around. No Israeli company had ever designed such an AWACS before, but India handed over US $1.1 billion (Rs 5,000 crore) to Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Elta. Hundreds of Israeli designers learned on the job, building AWACS capability on Indian money. Israel will now build another three AWACS for India, several for the Israeli Air Force and export more to Chile and Singapore.

Another feeding trough is the ongoing upgrade of Indian Navy ships, especially the technologically-challenging system for “net-centric operations”. This digitally interlinks the fleet’s sensors and weapons — in the air, on the surface and underwater — into seamless information and command networks. The two Israeli companies bidding for this strategic contract, Rafael Advanced Defence Systems and IAI, began building capabilities while fitting Indian warships with the Barak missile early this decade. With detailed knowledge of the warships’ Russian combat management system, Israeli engineers are now ready to design the net-centric operations system, the crucial nerve centre in war.

In this, as in other upgrade contracts, India’s MoD has ignored the advantages of building indigenous capability. Precision Electronics Ltd, a Delhi-based company that engineers high-tech defence electronics, joined hands with US giant Raytheon to bid cheaper than Rafael and IAI. It seemed as if, at last, Indian capabilities would also be built. But, mysteriously, the MoD scrapped that tender last month. There is no way to verify the industry buzz that the Israelis contrived that cancellation; the only thing known for sure is that Rafael and IAI are being investigated by the CBI for corruption in the Barak sale. But it would be safe to bet that, when fresh bidding is ordered, the Israelis will come in with cheaper prices.

The Israeli strategy is: a financial loss is acceptable, to curb Indian defence industrial capability. Each time an Indian company develops capability in a strategically-vital domain, foreign companies will be shut out from that realm forever.

Strangling the competition at birth is business, not criminal activity. Israel can be expected to do that. What defies logic, though, is the MoD’s dogged refusal to nurture Indian R&D the way it has Israel’s. This is of a piece with the MoD’s approach to Russia during that country’s troubled 1990s. With Russia’s economy bankrupt and military design bureaus and manufacturing units in dire straits, India placed a string of equipment orders — Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, Talwar class frigates and T-90 tanks, among others — providing life support to that dying establishment. China, in contrast, simply bought over a bevy of top Russian design engineers, paying them to live in China and build capabilities within China’s defence industries.

Ashok Kanodia, the MD of Precision Electronics, admires and envies the Israeli companies. Admitting that his own strategy involves bidding at cost price, Kanodia explains, “My gain will be the engineering capability and experience that is created, with the MoD paying the bill. Monetary profits are for later.” But he ruefully admits that with the MoD apparently unconcerned with developing Indian capabilities, Israeli firms are now unstoppable. The MoD, it would appear, has failed to understand that the essence of defence indigenisation is about building domestic design capability. All that South Block seems to have is an oft-repeated target: moving from 70 per cent reliance on foreign equipment to 70 per cent supply from Indian companies. But how exactly this will be done, the MoD has never pronounced. Since a target cannot substitute for a strategy, it is time that South Block implements a clear policy that would allow Indian companies — especially in the private sector — to build their capabilities with some assurance of business. That might be the best thing that Israel has done for India.
 

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^^ I think India has lost out big time due to the corruption and incompetence of the MOD babus and corruption in the procurement process by all concerned (politicians, bureaucrats, services). The defense ministers are mostly political with little understanding of strategy and the threats facing the country.

The parliament has failed in providing the required oversight and the politicians only blame others for corruption, making the whole process slow and inefficient. People just hesitate to take any decisions to avoid accusations of corruption.

The civil society and the tax payers probably need to step up to provide that missing oversight. Probably a few PILs forcing these people to come out of the slumber and make the process more transparent and Indian industry friendly is what is required.
 
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Israel develops capabilities, India pays

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/israel-develops-capabilities-india-pays/385075/


For many Indian commentators, especially those on the right, Israel provides an inspiring example of how to deal with external threat. One could equally argue that notwithstanding its comfortable position as the regional hegemon, Israel and its citizens remain insecure, xenophobic and afflicted by a disturbing sense of victimhood. It’s a debate that continues, especially in that country.


What Israel unquestionably does illustrate for India — with this country paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually for the lesson — is a well-considered plan for building its defence industry. In becoming India’s biggest defence supplier, Israel has bared a hard-nosed strategy that our policy-makers must grasp and emulate.

Since Israel does not market aircraft or ships, its defence companies have focused on the lucrative market for upgrading India’s predominantly Russian weaponry, including MiG-21 fighters, ship-borne missiles and T-72 tanks. Their first step was to understand Russian technology, for which Israeli defence companies accepted initial contracts at cost price to build their engineers’ capabilities. With that experience gained — at India’s cost, one must note — Israeli systems designers progressively graduated up the complexity scale. Today, Israel’s defence industry, with capabilities honed across a generation of Russian platforms, can bid across the globe.

The opportunities for Israel are vast. Some 30,000 T-72 tanks are in service worldwide, including 2,500 in India. But Israel, not India or Russia, will feed off that upgrade market. India provided Israel with the tanks, the opportunity and the money for creating that capability. Ironically, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) ignored India’s own defence industry; its undeniable competence could have been as easily translated into capability.

Israeli industry garnered another windfall from its offer to build the Phalcon Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS). This airborne radar mounted on a Russian IL-76 aircraft, allows airborne controllers to monitor and control airspace for hundreds of kilometres around. No Israeli company had ever designed such an AWACS before, but India handed over US $1.1 billion (Rs 5,000 crore) to Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Elta. Hundreds of Israeli designers learned on the job, building AWACS capability on Indian money. Israel will now build another three AWACS for India, several for the Israeli Air Force and export more to Chile and Singapore.

Another feeding trough is the ongoing upgrade of Indian Navy ships, especially the technologically-challenging system for “net-centric operations”. This digitally interlinks the fleet’s sensors and weapons — in the air, on the surface and underwater — into seamless information and command networks. The two Israeli companies bidding for this strategic contract, Rafael Advanced Defence Systems and IAI, began building capabilities while fitting Indian warships with the Barak missile early this decade. With detailed knowledge of the warships’ Russian combat management system, Israeli engineers are now ready to design the net-centric operations system, the crucial nerve centre in war.

In this, as in other upgrade contracts, India’s MoD has ignored the advantages of building indigenous capability. Precision Electronics Ltd, a Delhi-based company that engineers high-tech defence electronics, joined hands with US giant Raytheon to bid cheaper than Rafael and IAI. It seemed as if, at last, Indian capabilities would also be built. But, mysteriously, the MoD scrapped that tender last month. There is no way to verify the industry buzz that the Israelis contrived that cancellation; the only thing known for sure is that Rafael and IAI are being investigated by the CBI for corruption in the Barak sale. But it would be safe to bet that, when fresh bidding is ordered, the Israelis will come in with cheaper prices.

The Israeli strategy is: a financial loss is acceptable, to curb Indian defence industrial capability. Each time an Indian company develops capability in a strategically-vital domain, foreign companies will be shut out from that realm forever.

Strangling the competition at birth is business, not criminal activity. Israel can be expected to do that. What defies logic, though, is the MoD’s dogged refusal to nurture Indian R&D the way it has Israel’s. This is of a piece with the MoD’s approach to Russia during that country’s troubled 1990s. With Russia’s economy bankrupt and military design bureaus and manufacturing units in dire straits, India placed a string of equipment orders — Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, Talwar class frigates and T-90 tanks, among others — providing life support to that dying establishment. China, in contrast, simply bought over a bevy of top Russian design engineers, paying them to live in China and build capabilities within China’s defence industries.

Ashok Kanodia, the MD of Precision Electronics, admires and envies the Israeli companies. Admitting that his own strategy involves bidding at cost price, Kanodia explains, “My gain will be the engineering capability and experience that is created, with the MoD paying the bill. Monetary profits are for later.” But he ruefully admits that with the MoD apparently unconcerned with developing Indian capabilities, Israeli firms are now unstoppable. The MoD, it would appear, has failed to understand that the essence of defence indigenisation is about building domestic design capability. All that South Block seems to have is an oft-repeated target: moving from 70 per cent reliance on foreign equipment to 70 per cent supply from Indian companies. But how exactly this will be done, the MoD has never pronounced. Since a target cannot substitute for a strategy, it is time that South Block implements a clear policy that would allow Indian companies — especially in the private sector — to build their capabilities with some assurance of business. That might be the best thing that Israel has done for India.
what can our private or even public industry can do when there is a corrupt officer at minstry of defense , and also not forget at our armed force to have corrupt officers .a defence minster who is a poltician.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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Not exactly classic Foreign Policy stuff but interesting nonetheless:

We want to be part of developed Gujarat: Israeli consul general

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/surat/We-want-to-be-part-of-developed-Gujarat-Israeli-consul-general/articleshow/5664892.cms

SURAT: Gujarat being one of the most industrially developed state of the country and with conducive atmosphere for business to grow is a prime target of many developed nations. Israel is one of them and can offer a lot for further development of the state. Certain areas like agriculture, water, renewable energy and automobile along with clean tech are the key sectors where two governments have started working together and in near future official announcements are likely to be made.

Consul general of Israel Orna Sagiv in her talks with TOI said, "Gujarat is a very vibrant state and we want to be a part of this vibrancy. A delegation of high level officials and trade experts will visit Gujarat for a period of about 10 days in May. We expect to make our relationship a long lasting one."

Located in arid land, Israel has one-tenth of the annual rainfall of average in Gujarat, but it's agro produce is 10 times more.

Central district of Israel uses 75 per cent of recycled and reused water. Water resources need to be preserved and there is likely to be a pact or understanding for mutual co-operation in this sector where Israeli experts can help the state.

"We have learned from our needs and innovation is the keyword for us. We have developed technology that helps in water management. May be Gujarat can also do the same. On government level, bonding with chief minister Narendra Modi started in 2006 and will be cemented further by May 2010," Sagiv said.

With solar and wind energy playing a major part in domestic use in Israel, their expertise can also be used in Gujarat.

Despite not producing any cars in their own country, Israel has $ 800 million automobiles market. With Gujarat becoming an automobile hub and major international players trying to enter the market Israel sees a great opportunity in the state. "We will like to be a part of boom in this sector," said Sagiv adding, "In the next vibrant summit of your state, you will see our increased involvement."
 

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Israel develops capabilities, India pays

India must emulate Israel in creating defence industry

For many Indian commentators, especially those on the right, Israel provides an inspiring example of how to deal with external threat. One could equally argue that notwithstanding its comfortable position as the regional hegemon, Israel and its citizens remain insecure, xenophobic and afflicted by a disturbing sense of victimhood. It's a debate that continues, especially in that country.

What Israel unquestionably does illustrate for India — with this country paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually for the lesson — is a well-considered plan for building its defence industry. In becoming India's biggest defence supplier, Israel has bared a hard-nosed strategy that our policy-makers must grasp and emulate.

Since Israel does not market aircraft or ships, its defence companies have focused on the lucrative market for upgrading India's predominantly Russian weaponry, including MiG-21 fighters, ship-borne missiles and T-72 tanks. Their first step was to understand Russian technology, for which Israeli defence companies accepted initial contracts at cost price to build their engineers' capabilities. With that experience gained — at India's cost, one must note — Israeli systems designers progressively graduated up the complexity scale. Today, Israel's defence industry, with capabilities honed across a generation of Russian platforms, can bid across the globe.

The opportunities for Israel are vast. Some 30,000 T-72 tanks are in service worldwide, including 2,500 in India. But Israel, not India or Russia, will feed off that upgrade market. India provided Israel with the tanks, the opportunity and the money for creating that capability. Ironically, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) ignored India's own defence industry; its undeniable competence could have been as easily translated into capability.

Israeli industry garnered another windfall from its offer to build the Phalcon Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS). This airborne radar mounted on a Russian IL-76 aircraft, allows airborne controllers to monitor and control airspace for hundreds of kilometres around. No Israeli company had ever designed such an AWACS before, but India handed over US $1.1 billion (Rs 5,000 crore) to Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Elta. Hundreds of Israeli designers learned on the job, building AWACS capability on Indian money. Israel will now build another three AWACS for India, several for the Israeli Air Force and export more to Chile and Singapore.

Another feeding trough is the ongoing upgrade of Indian Navy ships, especially the technologically-challenging system for "net-centric operations". This digitally interlinks the fleet's sensors and weapons — in the air, on the surface and underwater — into seamless information and command networks. The two Israeli companies bidding for this strategic contract, Rafael Advanced Defence Systems and IAI, began building capabilities while fitting Indian warships with the Barak missile early this decade. With detailed knowledge of the warships' Russian combat management system, Israeli engineers are now ready to design the net-centric operations system, the crucial nerve centre in war.

In this, as in other upgrade contracts, India's MoD has ignored the advantages of building indigenous capability. Precision Electronics Ltd, a Delhi-based company that engineers high-tech defence electronics, joined hands with US giant Raytheon to bid cheaper than Rafael and IAI. It seemed as if, at last, Indian capabilities would also be built. But, mysteriously, the MoD scrapped that tender last month. There is no way to verify the industry buzz that the Israelis contrived that cancellation; the only thing known for sure is that Rafael and IAI are being investigated by the CBI for corruption in the Barak sale. But it would be safe to bet that, when fresh bidding is ordered, the Israelis will come in with cheaper prices.

The Israeli strategy is: a financial loss is acceptable, to curb Indian defence industrial capability. Each time an Indian company develops capability in a strategically-vital domain, foreign companies will be shut out from that realm forever.

Strangling the competition at birth is business, not criminal activity. Israel can be expected to do that. What defies logic, though, is the MoD's dogged refusal to nurture Indian R&D the way it has Israel's. This is of a piece with the MoD's approach to Russia during that country's troubled 1990s. With Russia's economy bankrupt and military design bureaus and manufacturing units in dire straits, India placed a string of equipment orders — Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, Talwar class frigates and T-90 tanks, among others — providing life support to that dying establishment. China, in contrast, simply bought over a bevy of top Russian design engineers, paying them to live in China and build capabilities within China's defence industries.

Ashok Kanodia, the MD of Precision Electronics, admires and envies the Israeli companies. Admitting that his own strategy involves bidding at cost price, Kanodia explains, "My gain will be the engineering capability and experience that is created, with the MoD paying the bill. Monetary profits are for later." But he ruefully admits that with the MoD apparently unconcerned with developing Indian capabilities, Israeli firms are now unstoppable. The MoD, it would appear, has failed to understand that the essence of defence indigenisation is about building domestic design capability. All that South Block seems to have is an oft-repeated target: moving from 70 per cent reliance on foreign equipment to 70 per cent supply from Indian companies. But how exactly this will be done, the MoD has never pronounced. Since a target cannot substitute for a strategy, it is time that South Block implements a clear policy that would allow Indian companies — especially in the private sector — to build their capabilities with some assurance of business. That might be the best thing that Israel has done for India.

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Not exactly classic Foreign Policy stuff but interesting nonetheless:

We want to be part of developed Gujarat: Israeli consul general

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/surat/We-want-to-be-part-of-developed-Gujarat-Israeli-consul-general/articleshow/5664892.cms

SURAT: Gujarat being one of the most industrially developed state of the country and with conducive atmosphere for business to grow is a prime target of many developed nations. Israel is one of them and can offer a lot for further development of the state. Certain areas like agriculture, water, renewable energy and automobile along with clean tech are the key sectors where two governments have started working together and in near future official announcements are likely to be made.

Consul general of Israel Orna Sagiv in her talks with TOI said, "Gujarat is a very vibrant state and we want to be a part of this vibrancy. A delegation of high level officials and trade experts will visit Gujarat for a period of about 10 days in May. We expect to make our relationship a long lasting one."

Located in arid land, Israel has one-tenth of the annual rainfall of average in Gujarat, but it's agro produce is 10 times more.

Central district of Israel uses 75 per cent of recycled and reused water. Water resources need to be preserved and there is likely to be a pact or understanding for mutual co-operation in this sector where Israeli experts can help the state.

"We have learned from our needs and innovation is the keyword for us. We have developed technology that helps in water management. May be Gujarat can also do the same. On government level, bonding with chief minister Narendra Modi started in 2006 and will be cemented further by May 2010," Sagiv said.

With solar and wind energy playing a major part in domestic use in Israel, their expertise can also be used in Gujarat.

Despite not producing any cars in their own country, Israel has $ 800 million automobiles market. With Gujarat becoming an automobile hub and major international players trying to enter the market Israel sees a great opportunity in the state. "We will like to be a part of boom in this sector," said Sagiv adding, "In the next vibrant summit of your state, you will see our increased involvement."
I just remembered that one areas where the Israelis/Jews got knocked out was the diamond business which has now been taken over by businessmen from Gujrat. The Israeli's have very high regard for people from Gujrat.
 

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India-Israel: A Robust Strategic Partnership​

By Brijesh Khemlani
20 May 2010

In a state visit to Israel in February 2010, Indian Minister of State for Commerce and Industry Jyotiradithya Scindia hailed the relationship between India and Israel as a 'relationship between two souls', based on shared morals and principles. In return, Israeli President Shimon Peres offered complete co-operation in India's war against terror, stating 'India's security is as important to Israel as its own'. A far cry from the early independence era, when a pro-Palestinian India was at the forefront of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), and snubbed Israel for being a tool of Western imperialism. Relations between the two estranged democracies have instead assumed a whole new dynamic in the post-Cold War period. Today, India and Israel have deepening strategic ties with full diplomatic relations, flourishing bilateral trade and robust military-to-military and intelligence co-operation.
 

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Israeli scientists to train Krishnagiri farmers



KRISHNAGIRI: Israeli scientists will give training to farmers of Krishnagiri on latest technologies available in agriculture sector, Collector V.K. Shanmugam said here recently.

Israeli diplomat Avribarzur, Counselor - MASHAV (Science & Agriculture) at its embassy office in New Delhi, visited the district two days last week. During his stay here, he went round the poly green-houses and studied cultivation of vegetables and flowers under horticulture in Krishnagiri, Hosur and Kelamangalam areas.

He inspected the poly green-houses set up with government subsidy in Chinna Vellatharapalli, Pennapalli and Achettipalli areas in Hosur.

He enquired about the cultivation of capsicum and rose on small land holdings by the farmers with the help of the Agriculture Department.

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With regard to methods of cultivation and fertilization, Mr. Avribarzur advised the farmers to reduce the application of fertilizers and liquefied fertilizers.

He also visited the agriculture fields where cabbage and beans are being cultivated using the precision farming method.

Later, he visited the mango orchards at Veppalampatti, Mahadevagollahalli and Jagadevi near Krishnagiri.

Later, he interacted with Mr. Shanmugam and officials from Agriculture, Horticulture and Agriculture Engineering Departments at the Collectorate.

Mr. Shanmugam said that the salubrious climate in the district was suitable for mango cultivation.

Hence, he requested Mr. Avribarzur to give training to the farmers on latest technologies to reap maximum benefits and extend technical know-how available in Israel.

Mr. Avribarzur said that he would send a team of agriculture experts in July this year to give training to the farmers in Krishnagiri district.

During the inspection, R Subbaian, Additional Director of Horticulture, accompanied Mr. Avribarzur.
 

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Israelis "shocked" by Bollywood film on Hitler

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Jerusalem, Jun 15 (PTI) Israelis are "shocked" by a Bollywood director's decision to make a film on Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler that will show how?the despot?loved India and how he indirectly contributed to its independence.?

"I am a proud Indian and assert my Indian identity everywhere I go in Israel. I tell fellow Israelis that in my birthplace there was no anti-semitism. However, I am having to bow my heads in shame at this recent?ignorance shown by Bollywood, which is also very dear to us," Noah Massil, President of Central Organisation of Indian Jews in Israel (COIJI), told PTI.

"All I know is that Hitler never supported India's independence. I will write to President Pratibha Patil and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to intervene in order to prevent?bringing disrepute to our entertainment industry," said Massil,?a Jew born in India but later migrated to Israel.
 

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