India-China Relations

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Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi is to visit India next week
Wang Yi will meet Sushma Swaraj and discuss various issues of mutual interest including the upcoming multilateral meetings, G20 summit and BRICS

A file photo of Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi. Photo: AP

New Delhi: Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi is to visit India next week for talks with external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj amid several irritants between the two Asian giants.

Wang will meet Swaraj on 13 August, spokesman for the ministry of external affairs Vikas Swarup said, adding that the visit was “part of the regular high-level dialogue”. “Foreign minister Wang visited India in June 2014 and was among the first foreign ministers to be received by the Indian external affairs minister,” Swarup said.

“During the visit, the two sides will discuss various issues of mutual interest including the upcoming multilateral meetings, namely, G20 summit being held in China and BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) summit being held in India,” he said.

Swaraj had visited China in January-February 2015, Swarup said, adding that Wang and Swaraj have been meeting regularly on the margins of multilateral meetings.

Most recently, they had met in Moscow during the Russia-India-China trilateral meeting in April 2016. The G20 summit in Hangzhou early next month will be attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Wang’s visit can also be seen as preparatory to Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to India in October for the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa summit.

Wang’s visit comes against the backdrop of several irritants in the India-China relationship which includes Chinese opposition to India joining the elite Nuclear Suppliers Group in June and reports of Chinese troop incursions into Uttarakhand in July.

News reports said People’s Liberation Army (PLA) personnel were seen in Barahoti area when Uttarakhand government officials accompanied by Border Security Force personnel visited the area.

Uttarakhand chief minister Harish Rawat was quoted by news reports as saying that the development was “something to worry about.” Rawat said he hoped the Union government would accede to his request to increase security along the border areas.

The undemarcated border is a legacy of the brief but bitter 1962 border conflict between the Asian giants. It is also a key reason for relations between the two countries remaining mired in suspicion. Another reason for uneasy ties between India and China is the latter’s close ties with Pakistan.

Earlier this year, India was upset with China putting a “technical hold” on a ban sought by India at the UN on Pakistan-based militant Masood Azhar. India had also ruffled Chinese feathers when it had recently issued visas to Uighur separatist leaders to attend a conference of Chinese dissidents in Dharamsala.

Last month, India also refused to extend visas to three Xinhua news agency journalists, who are employed by the Chinese government. Beijing has also been wary of growing Indo-US ties which is being viewed by the ruling Communist Party as an attempt to check China.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

China blocked India NSG bid, but now wants help on South China Sea

Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi. (Reuters photo)
HIGHLIGHTS

• Chinese FM Wang Yi is visiting India on a three-day tour from August 12
• Wang would be seeking India's support oncontroversial issue of South China Sea
• An international tribunal rejected Beijing's claims over ownership of much of the sea area recently

BEIJING: Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is visiting India on a three-day tour from August 12. Wang would try to make efforts aimed at ensuring that Prime Minister Narendra Modi do not join other countries in raising the controversial issue of South China Sea during the upcoming G20 meeting in early September.

China is extremely worried that several countries including the United States would raise the issue after an international tribunal rejecting Beijing's claims over ownership of much of the sea area recently. The ruling came after Philippines challenged Beijing's claim over much of the sea area at a tribunal constituted under the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Seas.

Beijing was not pleased by the guarded response from India which said that the UN convention should be effectively implemented, and all the relevant parties should cooperate in the effort. It does not want a discussion on the subject at G20, and wants India to not to join any country which is seeking a discussion.

China recently persuaded a meeting of ASEAN countries to keep the issue outside the joint communique but it is not sure of achieving a similar success at the G20 meet.

The Prime Minister is expected to meet Chinese president Xi Jinping and US president Barack Obama on the sidelines of the meeting in the Chinese city of Hangzhou during his three-day visit from September 3.

Wang is embarking on a three-nation tour that also includes Kenya and Uganda from August 9, the China's state media quoted foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying as saying. He will also meet Minister of External Affiars Sushma Swaraj in New Delhi besides Kenyan foreign minister Amina Mohamed. One of Wang's tasks during the upcoming New Delhi visit is to prepare the ground for a successful Modi-Xi meeting.

There have been a surge of problems in the India-China relationship in recent weeks. They included China's refusal to back India's case for membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, and recent reports of incursions by Chinese troops in the Ladakh border area.

 

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Beijing was not pleased by the guarded response from India which said that the UN convention should be effectively implemented, and all the relevant parties should cooperate in the effort. It does not want a discussion on the subject at G20, and wants India to not to join any country which is seeking a discussion.

:bs::bs:

shameless chinese diplomacy at large.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India, China Seek to Reduce Differences during FM''s Visit

New Delhi, Aug 7 (Prensa Latina) The visit of Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi to India next week will help to reduce differences that surfaced recently between Beijing and New Delhi, Indian press reported.

Ties between the two countries became strained by some thorny issues, Zee News TV highlighted.

The visit is aimed at rebuilding confidence after differences arising as a result of China's veto on the admission of India in the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the source said.

Beijing denied any animosity toward India and said its refusal was because New Delhi is not a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Another event that caused discomfort was China's decision to block in the UN Security Council a draft resolution submitted by India to the UN Security Council to declare Masood Azhar, the leader of the separatist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, a terrorist.

That organization was responsible for the attack on an Indian army base in January, when 13 people were killed, including seven soldiers.

Beijing said that this issue should be resolved bilaterally between India and Pakistan, where Azhar lives.

Add to this the alleged violation by the Chinese soldiers who crossed the border state of Uttarakhand for a brief period.

During the visit, issues related to the G-20 summit, to be held on September 4 and 5 in the Chinese city of Hangzhou, and the Brics summit, scheduled for October in the Indian city of Goa, will also be addressed, said the spokesperson for India's Foreign Ministry, Vikas Swarup.

When asked about the problem of Uttarakhand, Swarup said on Friday that all international, regional and bilateral issues of mutual interest will be addressed.

However, he added that the Defense Minister has already issued a statement and that there are mechanisms to discuss these topics, such as the army-level contacts.

 

[biswas_k11]

INDIA should build up pressure on South East Asian Country and China to get CLEARANCE on Nuclear Supplier Groups.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Now, Chinese media takes on India's business visa policy, calls it 'a pain in the butt'

China says India's using its visa policy as a "diplomatic weapon".

NEW DELHI: India has long since stopped talking about it, but China's state-run media is still harping on about India not getting into the Nuclear Suppliers Group and therefore taking "revenge" on Beijing by being "petty" and by making its business visa policy "a pain in the butt."

Yes, "pain in the butt" are the exact words used in the Chinese state-run Global Times's latest salvo against India.

"Although news about India's latest reform on GST galvanized waves of optimism among business communities across China, for Chinese nationals, a business visa to India remains a pain in the butt," the article in the state-run news agency said.

The article further said that India is wielding its visa policy as a "weapon", which is "not only petty, but may even backfire severely" on its own long-term interests. And India's doing all of this because it sees China as the "culprit" that blocked its entry into the elite nuclear club, the Chinese news agency added.

India recently refused to renew the visas of three Chinese journalists who worked for the state-run Xinhua. Indian government intelligence sources said this was because the so called journalists were under a cloud as they were using fake names to get into sensitive areas and to talk to high-level government personnel.

Global Times said in an article at the time that the allegations were all false. In its latest article the news outlet said India was just using that as an excuse to hit back at Beijing over its non-support or India's membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

"Unlike non-work tourism visas that can be issued promptly via the e-visa system, most other types of visa must go through the tedious process. Just like the 'sensitive' journalist visa, business visas also require approval from Indian Ministry of Home Affairs on a case-by-case basis," wrote Global Times.

Visa as 'diplomatic weapon'

China opposed India's bid to join the NSG stating that it is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. China further said it might allow India into the NSG if Pakistan is also allowed in. Pakistan is a known proliferator, but China never mentioned that in all the back-and-forths before the NSG plenary in June.

Therefore, China's media believes India is indeed taking revenge with its visa policy towards Chinese nationals. China's Global Times cited that proof of this is that "many Indian commenters (sic) regarded these (visa) actions as crafty moves." The articles didn't quote any Indian commentators.

"New Delhi countered these were routine decisions made without particular political considerations, let alone any intention to take revenge, but a strong message had been conveyed to Beijing: New Delhi is unhappy and here is the consequence. These actions were staged as less visible confrontation, but they effectively expressed displeasure much to Beijing's discomfiture," Global Times wrote.

'India's overcautious'

In addition, China's media - which is familiar with Beijing throwing out foreign journalists from the country if they write critical articles - accused India of being "overcautious".

"As a result, procrastination is simply rampant, due to the Indian authorities' overcautious policy arrangements and huge volume of mandatory documentation," Global Times wrote.

China is notorious for its scrutiny over its own visa process. Still, when India is similarly so, China's media says its Home Ministry is "putting hurdles" in the way.

"After several rounds of talks between the commerce, home and external affairs ministries (on the visa issue), no inroad has been made so far, however. It seems that the visa reform has run into the security hurdles put up by the Home Ministry, which raised concerns over extending the visa reform to Chinese nationals," the article said.

China also often uses its visa policy as a diplomatic weapon. However, India shouldn't do that, the Chinese media outlet wrote.

"...it also takes Indian decision-makers some courage to reform the time-honored visa regime, giving up visa policy as diplomatic weapon. After all, visa rules should be reflective of the political and economic realities across the border, but not short-run ups and downs in the bilateral interactions," the article said.

Looks that someone is pi$$ed off, really pi$$ed off!
:biggrin2:

 

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ITBP to create 54 border outposts at India-China border -

The Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) has proposed to create 54 border outposts along the McMahon Line to further improve security in Arunachal Pradesh and along the India-China border, an official said on Monday.
On Sunday, ITBP Inspector-General Manoj Singh Rawat, who is in charge of the North East Frontier Headquarters, called on Chief Minister Pema Khandu and discussed ITBP’s proposals to expand their establishment in the state in order to improve security in the state and at the border.
It also proposed a permanent stationing of one ITBP battalion at Hollongi area here in the mountainous state capital of Arunachal Pradesh.
The proposal is viewed as being essential to base the ITBP command in the state capital rather than in the faraway location in Meghalaya’s capital Shillong and Assam’s Tezpur for efficiency in command control.
The ITBP also informed the Chief Minister of its plan to open new sectors across the state in towns like Likabali, Pasighat and Aalo.
The ITBP officer announced that besides guarding the borders, the paramilitary force will also be deployed to guard all essential government installations, offices and institutions in the state.
Chief Minister Khandu has agreed to extend all possible cooperation to the paramilitary force in expanding its establishment in the state.
He appreciated the ITBP’s role in maintaining peace and security in the state, and also lauded the humanitarian assistance extended by it during natural calamities.
Arunachal Pradesh shares a 1,030-km unfenced border with China. The McMahon Line, a thick line drawn on the map of the British India that translates into an imaginary land border now known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC), separates India and China.

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[Indx TechStyle]

India raises contentious NSG, Masood Azhar issues with Chinese foreign minister - Times of India

 

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China's state-run media blames free press in India for 'negative sentiments' towards Beijing

PTI External Affairs minister Sushma Swaraj welcomes her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi ahead of a meeting in New Delhi. (PTI photo)

NEW DELHI: State-run Chinese media took pot shots at the free press in democratic India and blamed it for "stirring up negative sentiments" against China.

The Indian press, the state-run Global Times wrote, grabs "all the attention they want like always" and therefore it's also responsible for causing deterioration in the Indian public's views of China."

The Chinese paper says that "clearly", the free press in India "has not yet learned to see the considerable potential of the bilateral relationships with a constructive mind-set." And Global Times also felt it necessary to caution the India media about the 'West.'

The Chinese paper says that "clearly", the free press in India "has not yet learned to see the considerable potential of the bilateral relationships with a constructive mind-set." And Global Times also felt it necessary to caution the India media about the 'West.'

"The West is taking delight in driving a wedge between Beijing and New Delhi. Media from both countries should therefore be more cautious not to fall for that," it wrote.

Global Times, one of a stable of several state-run Chinese news agencies, also pointed out the phrases and ideas it finds egregious that are common in Indian media's articles.

"They (Indian media) tend to attach more attention to divergences while overstating contradictions between the two. Words like 'invasion' or 'transgression' are often used by them to describe Beijing without naming sources, and the 'China threat theory' has been hyped up by them from time to time.

It was commenting in the context of the coverage of Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi's visit to India last week.

TOI had reported in a curtain raiser to his trip that Wang would try to ensure that Prime Minister Narendra Modi doesn't join other countries in raising the controversial issue of the South China Sea during the upcoming G20 meeting early next month.

Global Times didn't like that. "Unlike the Indian media's tone, there is no need for Beijing to beg for New Delhi's favour," it wrote.

It wrote that this was a "negative" sentiment and that Wang's tour was "focused on cooperation over the upcoming G20 and BRICS summits."

"...quite a few Indian media started to cover the tour a week ago with the eye-catching headline 'China blocked India's NSG bid, but now wants help on South China Sea,' " Global Times wrote. And after "negative hype over Sino-Indian ties by Indian media for a long ... they did it again this time," it added.

In fact, prior to Wang's visit, the same state-run Global Times warned that India's focus on the South China Sea will harm its ties with China and create obstacles for Indian businessmen.

The Chinese news outlet again brought up the issue of India's not getting membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group and the supposed tit for tat by India in not renewing three Chinese journalists' visas.

NSG and Visa row?
They're still pi$$ed off over that? We have even forgot all the troll.:biggrin2:

"Given the recent had frictions between the two countries, including the NSG issue and New Delhi's rejection of visa extension requests for Chinese reporters, there are indeed certain puzzles left unresolved in the bilateral relationship. But they can hardly represent the big picture of Sino-Indian ties," it advised.

Like before, the Chinese media stopped short of criticizing the Indian government.

In fact, it heaped praise on both the Indian and Chinese governments.

"...Yet while the Indian government is treating its relations with Beijing rationally, the country's media and public opinion are busy stirring up negative sentiments...Thanks to the efforts of governments from both parties, the two nations have been enhancing collaboration and promoting more communications and mechanisms over bilateral, regional issues," Global Times said expansively.

Butter polishing the GoI!
BTW, they support our lovely, innocent and good terroristic neighbor but still expecting image not to get deteriorated.

 

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China's state-run media blames free press in India for 'negative sentiments' towards Beijing

PTI External Affairs minister Sushma Swaraj welcomes her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi ahead of a meeting in New Delhi. (PTI photo)














NSG and Visa row?
They're still pi$$ed off over that? We have even forgot all the troll.:biggrin2:




Butter polishing the GoI!
BTW, they support our lovely, innocent and good terroristic neighbor but still expecting image not to get deteriorated.

i think no country in the world has such a chutiya neighbourhood

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Image Credit: Flickr/ MEAphotogallery
Can China Keep India Silent Over the South China Sea?
China wants to make sure India does not raise the issue at the upcoming G20 Summit.
By Wang Jin
August 17, 2016

The upcoming G20 summit provides China a unique chance to chance to demonstrate China’s “good intentions” as a responsible stakeholder. To facilitate the summit, China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi visited India over the weekend for strategic communications with Indian side. According to Wang, China and India reached an important consensus that both states should firmly support each other in hosting the upcoming G20 Summit in Hangzhou, China and the BRICS Summit to be held in Goa, India.

China, like many other developing states, desires to portray itself as “responsible power” through various international platforms. Among the many international bodies, the G20 and BRICS are of special significance given their role in a constructing a multipolar world order that gives the developing world more of a voice. China was awarded of the presidency of G20 at the closing of the G20 Brisbane Summit in 2014. This will be the first time that China chairs the world’s“premier forum for international economic cooperation.”

On the one hand, for the Communist Party of China (CPC), hosting the G20 summit will be a valuable chance to strengthen its legitimacy domestically, given China’s decelerated GDP growth, widening income gap, and the rising public pressure for “political reform,” which the CPC government resists. On the other hand, the G20 will be an important platform for China to attract world attention and to showcase China’s “responsible” image around the world. Through actively attending the newer established forums such as G20 and BRICS, China is both seeking changes to the “traditional” global economic governance model, centered upon the Bretton Woods Institutions, and experimenting with new processes such as the BRICS forum and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

Given the importance of the event, Beijing has spared no effort in preparations. Domestically, China has spent nearly $100 billion (according to the budget reports from China’s Foreign Ministry, Ministry of Commerce, and Ministry of Finance) for stadium construction, international business trips, security arrangements, and urban renewal. Internationally, China has to win international support for the G20 Hangzhou summit in order to avoid having “critics” from other G20 members harm China’s image, both internationally and domestically.

As a member of G20, India is viewed by China as a competitor in regional and international platforms, both economically and politically. The most sensitive issue between China and India in the G20 would be the South China Sea. India insists, especially under the Narendra Modi government, on upholding the principle of “freedom of navigation and commerce” in South China Sea, a position it shares with the United States. India has even been viewed by Vietnam and the Philippine as an important ally to resist China’s territory claims in the South China Sea.

China believes that some Western states, especially the United States, may seek to talk about the South China Sea at the G20 summit to embarrass China, especially after the South China Sea arbitration ruling in July. Against this backdrop, it is necessary for China to win a promise from India not to talk about South China Sea in the upcoming G20 summit. To that end, China has implemented the diplomatic equivalent of the “carrot and stick” approach against India. Wang’s comments made during the trip to India contained a certain amount of menace. Wang linked the Hangzhou G20 summit with the upcoming Goa BRICS summit, suggesting China may adopt an “eye for an eye” strategy toward India: if India raises the South China Sea issue at the G20 summit, China would take “revenge” on India during the Goa BRICS summit. As for the carrot, Wang promised to support Indian membership in the the Nuclear Suppliers Group in return for India’s promise to not talk about the South China Sea during the G20 summit.

However, the “carrot and stick” maneuver adopted by China may be not able to guarantee India’s silence on the South China Sea issue during the G20. On the one hand, China’s “stick” seems useless. Although Wang hinted at an “eye for an eye” tactic, in truth China could not bear the cost of a rupture at the BRICS summit, which has been viewed by China as an important chance to enhance its “international positive image” around the world. Actually, China lacks an effective means to check India’s vital interests. Although India needs China’s help over the Kashmir clashes with Pakistan, China needs more cooperation from India, in areas ranging from the Taiwan, Tibet, and Xinjiang issues to counterterrorism.

On the other hand, China’s “carrot” for India does not seem very attractive. India desires to be an elephant, not a rabbit. Joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group is important for India’s great power ambition, but given the limited international support for China’s South China Sea claims, it is very likely that India’s leader will talk about the South China Sea during the G20 summit once the United States or other states mention the topic. For India, the South China Sea issue is an important chance to unite a regional alliance against China’s expansion under the “One Belt, One Road” policy. Meanwhile, India’s growing perception of China as a threat is driving New Delhi to strengthen military ties with some U.S. allies and associates in the Asia Pacific region, including Australia, Japan, South Korea, and Vietnam.

As it has been a hot topic in the Asia-Pacific region, the South China Sea issue will surely be mentioned and discussed during the upcoming G20 summit held by China in Hangzhou. Although China tried to ensure India’s silence on the South China Sea issue with a “carrot and stick” approach during Wang’s visit China actually lacks effective means to keep India silent. It is unlikely that India will keep quiet over the issue as China wishes.

Wang Jin is a Ph.D. candidate at the School of Political Science, University of Haifa, Israel. Wang is also a part-time research fellow at the Middle East Studies Center, Xiamen University, China.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chinese media hails India for being 'neutral' over South China Sea; says ties developing smoothly
Hailing India for keeping 'neutral stand' over the South China Sea issue, Global Times said, " the overall bilateral relations have been developing smoothly between the two nations"

Hailing India for keeping 'neutral stand' over the South China Sea issue despite pressure from the US and Japan, state-run Chinese media on Wednesday said there are some contradictions and frictions between the two nations but the overall bilateral relations have been developing smoothly.

"When it comes to security, after the final award of the South China Sea arbitration was announced, the Indian government has kept a neutral stance despite the pressure from Washington and Tokyo," an article in the state-run Global Times said.

LOL, Indian Diploma by works under foreign pressure?

Calling for "solid step forward" to improve relations, the article said "admittedly, there are some contradictions and frictions between China and India, but the overall bilateral relations have been developing smoothly".

It also flayed Indian media for "going too far" to blame China for blocking India's membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group and linking last week's Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi's visit to India to the South China Sea issue.

Thanks for reminding us again about NSG.

"Indian media has spared no effort in linking Wang's visit to the South China Sea issue and the country's failure in joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG)," it said.

Indian media didn't even bothered to report about that.

Last month an international tribunal struck down China s claims over the South China Sea based on historic rights, pushing Beijing on the back foot in its maritime dispute with the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan over the area.

"Regarding the NSG case, Indian media has gone too far, for it is not at all a problem between Beijing and New Delhi.

It was the US, not China, who made the relevant rules for NSG membership, and India failed to meet the criteria of entering the club. A dozen NSG members are now opposing India's bid, thus, it does not make sense for Indian media to point an accusing finger at China," it said.

US was ignoring the rules for us.
So, it's China who put its leg in path.
BTW, give us a wavier in NPT (status of nuclear power and a permanent UNSC Seat) and we'll sign it.

"The two nations may have discussed the issue during Wang's visit, and it is possible for both sides to clarify their own ideas, stances and policies over the matter. But the conjecture that Wang was trying to win India's support over the South China Sea by helping New Delhi with the NSG membership doesn't make sense at all," it said.

Who's going too far with NSG now?

This is the second article in as many days by the daily to criticise Indian media.

On August 15, another article blamed the Indian media for "stirring up negative sentiments" against China by highlighting the divergences in the bilateral ties.

I'm feared that Global Times does may print about me too.
I'm too stirring poison in the relationship here.

"During the Wang s visit the two sides may have also discussed how to further promote a closer partnership, which was raised during Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit," the article said.

"For the moment, when we talk about Sino-India ties, we tend to use the phrase 'relations are generally stable without major conflicts'. Yet this should not be the highest expectation we hold for the relationship," it said.

"Beijing and New Delhi have raised hopes for economic and trade cooperation, but turning them into reality requires wider consensus and more consultations," it said.

Acknowledging problems in the bilateral collaboration on economic and trade issues which "used to be one of the most positive parts of the bilateral relations, it said "joint works in this regard have not been going smoothly in recent years".

Chinese are simply unpredictable.

 

[rishivashista13]

The Story Of The Sumdorong Chu Standoff – When India Avoided War With China Through Sheer Diplomacy

http://idrw.org/story-sumdorong-chu-standoff-india-avoided-war-china-sheer-diplomacy/

good to read

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[Tshering22]

An effective deterrent is the only solution. No amount of diplomacy will work if China gets an overwhelming conventional edge. Smile broadly and carry a big stick.

That is exactly what is needed.

I hope the government also has people who get this. Seems like Modi ji has sensible advisors because we can now physically see the bolstering of defences that were long due since 1995.

 

[Tshering22]

i am sure some/many western nations will be involved since a powerful China is not in anyone's best interest there may be many weapons sent to India along with military men to make sure the Chinese threat is demolished right from the start.

Western countries will never dare take on China unless they themselves are attacked.

This isn't Iraq or Sudan or Somalia where a few "highway to the danger zone" singing NATO F-16 pilots would swoop bomb and laugh while flying into the sunset. China has the capability to blast NATO gunboat diplomacy right out of SCS region.

If anything, in SCS US carriers are sitting ducks thanks their new carrier killer missiles. Even if they can block 90% of the missiles, 10% of the missiles can do a lot of damage and ruin billions worth of carriers.

Also we aren't on one side of the spectrum if you remember; Our defence interests are with Russia and we have been explicitly open about it. Equipment trading is fine and addressing a few terror concerns are fine but in the long run, NATO's military ambitions are not the same as what we have in mind and that makes the whole difference of having and not having military allies.

This is a rather silly thought that US would send troops to fight along our soldiers.

We have to learn to save our own skin and in a way that the enemy thins 100 times before striking us first.

That's our only defence.

And if we have to be a serious world power, we better start building our military tactical capability ourselves independently.

We have four other countries that rely on us for their safety.

 

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Western countries will never dare take on China unless they themselves are attacked.

This isn't Iraq or Sudan or Somalia where a few "highway to the danger zone" singing NATO F-16 pilots would swoop bomb and laugh while flying into the sunset. China has the capability to blast NATO gunboat diplomacy right out of SCS region.

If anything, in SCS US carriers are sitting ducks thanks their new carrier killer missiles. Even if they can block 90% of the missiles, 10% of the missiles can do a lot of damage and ruin billions worth of carriers.

Also we aren't on one side of the spectrum if you remember; Our defence interests are with Russia and we have been explicitly open about it. Equipment trading is fine and addressing a few terror concerns are fine but in the long run, NATO's military ambitions are not the same as what we have in mind and that makes the whole difference of having and not having military allies.

This is a rather silly thought that US would send troops to fight along our soldiers.

We have to learn to save our own skin and in a way that the enemy thins 100 times before striking us first.

That's our only defence.

And if we have to be a serious world power, we better start building our military tactical capability ourselves independently.

We have four other countries that rely on us for their safety.

They are being attacked (economically) worst than a military attack for the west

India has been inviting us special forces for over a decade

http://www.thehindu.com/2003/09/13/stories/2003091302411100.htm

If Russia has to choose between India and China. China will be chosen ImO

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China's state-run media blames free press in India for 'negative sentiments' towards Beijing

PTI External Affairs minister Sushma Swaraj welcomes her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi ahead of a meeting in New Delhi. (PTI photo)











Butter polishing the GoI!
BTW, they support our lovely, innocent and good terroristic neighbor but still expecting image not to get deteriorated.

During Modi's visit, Chinese state TV shows Indian map without Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir

The unresolved boundary issue has been a sticking point in the relations between India, China and both are mak... Read More
BEIJING/NEW DELHI: A controversy was kicked up on Thursday with China's state-owned television CCTV showing India's map without Jammu & Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh while reporting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...sh-and-Jammu-Kashmir/articleshow/47286370.cms

The chinese snakes with its forked tongue!!

 

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As India mulls scrapping of Indus Water Treaty with Pakistan, China blocks tributary of Brahmaputra in Tibet to build dam

BEIJING: China has blocked a tributary of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet as part of the construction of its "most expensive" hydro project, which could cause concern in India as it may impact water flows into the lower riparian countries.

The Lalho project on the Xiabuqu river, a tributary of the Yarlung Zangbo (the Tibetan name for Brahmaputra), in Xigaze in Tibet involves an investment of 4.95 billion yuan (USD 740 million), Zhang Yunbao, head of the project's administration bureau was quoted as saying by Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday.

Xigaze also known as Shigatse is closely located to Sikkim. From Xigaze, the Brahmaputra flows into Arunachal Pradesh.

Terming it as the "most expensive project", the report said the project, whose construction began in June 2014, was scheduled to be completed in 2019.

It is not clear yet what impact the blockade of the river will have on the flow of water from the Brahmaputra into the lower riparian countries like India and Bangladesh as a result, it said.

Last year, China had operationalised the $1.5 billion Zam Hydropower Station, the largest in Tibet, built on the Brahmaputra river, which has raised concerns in India.

But China has been maintaining that it has taken into consideration India's concerns and allays apprehensions of restricting the flow of water, saying its dams are not designed to hold water.

The outline of China's 12th Five Year Plan indicates that three more hydropower projects on the mainstream of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet Autonomous Regionhave been approved for implementation.

In March, Union minister of state for water resources Sanwar Lal Jat said in a statement that India had expressed its concerns to China about the likely impact of the dams.

While there is no water treaty between the countries, India and China established an Expert Level Mechanism (ELM) on trans-border rivers and in October 2013 the two governments signed a memorandum of understanding on strengthening cooperation on trans-border rivers under which Beijing provides data to India on the water flows.

The blockade of the Brahmaputra river tributary comes at a time when India's reported decision to suspend talks with Pakistan under Indus Water Treaty as part of its efforts to hit back at Pakistan in the aftermath of the Uri attack.


Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang gave a guarded reply when asked on September 27 about India's reported move.

"As a friendly neighbour to both India and Pakistan, China hopes that India and Pakistan can properly address disputes and improve relations through dialogue and consultation, maintain and enhance all-round cooperation and join hands to promote regional peace, stability and development," Shuang told PTI.

Some of the rivers under the Indus water treaty originate in China.

 

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As India mulls scrapping of Indus Water Treaty with Pakistan, China blocks tributary of Brahmaputra in Tibet to build dam

BEIJING: China has blocked a tributary of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet as part of the construction of its "most expensive" hydro project, which could cause concern in India as it may impact water flows into the lower riparian countries.

The Lalho project on the Xiabuqu river, a tributary of the Yarlung Zangbo (the Tibetan name for Brahmaputra), in Xigaze in Tibet involves an investment of 4.95 billion yuan (USD 740 million), Zhang Yunbao, head of the project's administration bureau was quoted as saying by Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday.

Xigaze also known as Shigatse is closely located to Sikkim. From Xigaze, the Brahmaputra flows into Arunachal Pradesh.

Terming it as the "most expensive project", the report said the project, whose construction began in June 2014, was scheduled to be completed in 2019.

It is not clear yet what impact the blockade of the river will have on the flow of water from the Brahmaputra into the lower riparian countries like India and Bangladesh as a result, it said.

Last year, China had operationalised the $1.5 billion Zam Hydropower Station, the largest in Tibet, built on the Brahmaputra river, which has raised concerns in India.

But China has been maintaining that it has taken into consideration India's concerns and allays apprehensions of restricting the flow of water, saying its dams are not designed to hold water.

The outline of China's 12th Five Year Plan indicates that three more hydropower projects on the mainstream of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet Autonomous Regionhave been approved for implementation.

In March, Union minister of state for water resources Sanwar Lal Jat said in a statement that India had expressed its concerns to China about the likely impact of the dams.

While there is no water treaty between the countries, India and China established an Expert Level Mechanism (ELM) on trans-border rivers and in October 2013 the two governments signed a memorandum of understanding on strengthening cooperation on trans-border rivers under which Beijing provides data to India on the water flows.

The blockade of the Brahmaputra river tributary comes at a time when India's reported decision to suspend talks with Pakistan under Indus Water Treaty as part of its efforts to hit back at Pakistan in the aftermath of the Uri attack.


Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang gave a guarded reply when asked on September 27 about India's reported move.

"As a friendly neighbour to both India and Pakistan, China hopes that India and Pakistan can properly address disputes and improve relations through dialogue and consultation, maintain and enhance all-round cooperation and join hands to promote regional peace, stability and development," Shuang told PTI.

Some of the rivers under the Indus water treaty originate in China.

More than 70% of water discharge of Brahmputra , is due to subsidiries in India itself.

So pressure tactics like these won't work.

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