India's Tejas fighter to get Derby missiles

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    India's Tejas fighter to get Derby missiles

    A contract to integrate Rafael's Derby medium-range air-air missile with India's Tejas light combat aircraft will be signed soon, according to industry sources.
    Delivery of the missiles is expected from the second half of 2012, following the final phase of integration tests that are planned for early next year.
    The active radar- and infrared-guided Derby, which provides an all-weather, beyond visual-range capability, has previously been acquired for the Indian navy's British Aerospace-built Sea Harrier FRS51 fighters. Fourteen aircraft have been modified to use the weapon, said Indian sources.

    The Derby missile can be fired in lock-on before launch mode for short-range engagements, or in lock-on after launch mode for use against medium-range targets.
    India's air force has so far signed for 40 production examples of the single-engined Tejas, but the service could eventually acquire up to 100 more in an improved Mk II configuration. The service is now evaluating more Israeli-made systems for the fighter, including additional weapons.
    The Indian navy also could buy 60 of the Aeronautical Development Agency-designed Tejas.
    The Derby contract is an example of the huge potential market that Rafael is trying to exploit in India. Company sources have described the nation as its current first priority, due to the size and diversity of its requirements.
     
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    – Derby Missiles Selected to Arm India’s Tejas Fighters | Defense Update

    Derby Missiles Selected to Arm India’s Tejas Fighters

    Israel’s Derby missile is the weapon of choice for India’s Tejas fighter. A contract will be signed by March with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd to supply the air-to-air weapon for the indigenous Indian jets. P.S. Subramanya, director of India’s Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the light combat aircraft. According to Subramanya, a key criterion for the full clearance is the integration of a Beyond-Visual-Range (BVR) missile. The Rafael Python V missile, closely related to the Derby, was also an option for the Tejas, Subramanya stated. Delivery of the missiles is expected in the second half of 2012, toward the final phase of testing, expected to conclude by December 2012.

    So far the Indian Air Force (IAF) has ordered 40 Tejas planes and according to the government’s plans 160 additional jets are to be produced – 100 of the Mk-II version for the Air Force and 60 for the Indian Navy. India’s Sea Harrier jets already carry the Israeli Derby missiles, fourteen of them were recently upgraded, wired to operate the new missile. Both Derby and Python V are also selected to equip the Indian Air Force Short Range Surface/Air System (SRSAM) as part of Rafael’s Spyder air defense system.

    While long-term plans were to deploy the locally produced Astra air/air missile with Tejas, the decision to go with a foreign missile was made last year to accelerate the induction of the aircraft into operational service. Astra, under development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is “doing well” on ground tests, according nto Subramanya, will begin aerial tests o the Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter. The Astra is intended to have a range of about 80km.
     
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    – Derby Missiles Selected to Arm India’s Tejas Fighters | Defense Update

    Derby Missiles Selected to Arm India’s Tejas Fighters

    Israel’s Derby missile is the weapon of choice for India’s Tejas fighter. A contract will be signed by March with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd to supply the air-to-air weapon for the indigenous Indian jets. P.S. Subramanya, director of India’s Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the light combat aircraft. According to Subramanya, a key criterion for the full clearance is the integration of a Beyond-Visual-Range (BVR) missile. The Rafael Python V missile, closely related to the Derby, was also an option for the Tejas, Subramanya stated. Delivery of the missiles is expected in the second half of 2012, toward the final phase of testing, expected to conclude by December 2012.

    So far the Indian Air Force (IAF) has ordered 40 Tejas planes and according to the government’s plans 160 additional jets are to be produced – 100 of the Mk-II version for the Air Force and 60 for the Indian Navy. India’s Sea Harrier jets already carry the Israeli Derby missiles, fourteen of them were recently upgraded, wired to operate the new missile. Both Derby and Python V are also selected to equip the Indian Air Force Short Range Surface/Air System (SRSAM) as part of Rafael’s Spyder air defense system.

    While long-term plans were to deploy the locally produced Astra air/air missile with Tejas, the decision to go with a foreign missile was made last year to accelerate the induction of the aircraft into operational service. Astra, under development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is “doing well” on ground tests, according nto Subramanya, will begin aerial tests o the Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter. The Astra is intended to have a range of about 80km.
     
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    Also known as the Alto, the Derby missile is a BVR, medium-range (~50 km) active-radar seeker missile. Though technically not part of the "Python" family, the missile is basically an enlarged Python-4 with an active-radar seeker
    Length: 362 cm
    Span: 64 cm
    Diameter: 16 cm
    Weight: 118 kg
    Guidance: Active Radar
    Warhead: 23 kg
    Range: 50 km
    Speed: Mach 4
     
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    Israeli Derby Missile to Arm New Indian Fighter - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

    Israeli Derby Missile to Arm New Indian Fighter


    India’s new Tejas fighter will be armed with Israel’s Derby missile, according to Indian website LiveMint. The Derby is medium-range active-radar seeker air-to-air missile, that can hit targets at about 50 km. away. Missiles that can achieve this range are known by the acronym BVR - beyond visual range.


    A contract for supplying the Derby will be signed by March with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. Rafael will also fit the missiles on about 200 jets, according to P.S. Subramanya, director of India’s Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the light combat aircraft.

    The Indian Air Force (known, like its Israeli counterpart, as the IAF) has ordered 40 Tejas fighters to be built. The Indian Air Force also wants 100 units of the Mk-II version of the fighter, and the navy wants 60 of the naval versions, Subramanya said.

    The jet "recently obtained restricted initial operational clearance, with a full clearance targeted for December 2012," LiveMint said. In order to obtain full clearance, the jets need to integrate a BVR missile - therefore, delivery of the missiles is expected in the second half of 2012.

    India’s Sea Harrier jets carry Derby missiles. Rafael's Python missile, closely related to the Derby, was also an option for the Tejas, Subramanya stated.

    In the past decade, as the Muslim world grows more religious and bellicose, Israel has been forging ever-closer ties with natural allies that also face a Muslim threat. These include India and may soon include South Sudan.
     
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    Rafael Derby Air-to-Air Missiles for Indian Air Force HAL Tejas Fighter Jets | India Defence

    Rafael Derby Air-to-Air Missiles for Indian Air Force HAL Tejas Fighter Jets


    Leading defense and aerospace publication FlightGlobal has quoted industry sources confirming the integration of Rafael Derby Air to Air Missiles with India's indigenous HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft for the Indian Air Force. Delivery of the missiles is to begin in 2012.

    From FlightGlobal:
    A contract to integrate Rafael's Derby medium-range air-air missile with India's Tejas light combat aircraft will be signed soon, according to industry sources. Delivery of the missiles is expected from the second half of 2012, following the final phase of integration tests that are planned for early next year.

    The active radar- and infrared-guided Derby, which provides an all-weather, beyond visual-range capability, has previously been acquired for the Indian navy's British Aerospace-built Sea Harrier FRS51 fighters. Fourteen aircraft have been modified to use the weapon, said Indian sources.

    The Derby missile can be fired in lock-on before launch mode for short-range engagements, or in lock-on after launch mode for use against medium-range targets.

    India's air force has so far signed for 40 production examples of the single-engined Tejas, but the service could eventually acquire up to 100 more in an improved Mk II configuration. The service is now evaluating more Israeli-made systems for the fighter, including additional weapons.

    The Indian navy also could buy 60 of the Aeronautical Development Agency-designed Tejas.

    The Derby contract is an example of the huge potential market that Rafael is trying to exploit in India. Company sources have described the nation as its current first priority, due to the size and diversity of its requirements.
     
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    So this is clear that Russia has refused to share the details of R 77 seeker, to let it be able to integrate with the radar, as Israel was involved with radar only Israel's missile can be integrated. Now the question is, how the Astra will be integrated? Will Israel play the hardball to boost derby sale?
     
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    Is it that difficult for India to open up one R77 and learn about it's seeker?
     
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    Well, yusuf Russia even refused to share the integration details of R73 (Source Dr. Rajkumar's book), but we have got it integrated. but integrating a BVR missile which has to be cued with the radar, and take mid course updates also from mother ship is a different ballgame. Moreover no OEM wants to give there integration mechanisms to others.

    I really hope astra comes on line along with a radar which is in full control with us, so we can do the integration on our own. There is no other way out
     
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    The Derby is a smaller missile compared to R-77 along with being lighter. This means lesser drag when flying with 4 of them under the belly.

    Since the radar on the LCA is based on some Israeli inputs, it would be better to have Derby on it rather than R-77.

    Addition of Derby in the mix would mean PAF will have to counter 7 maybe 8 BVR missiles in the future when facing IAF. R-77, R-27, KS-172, Derby, Astra, Meteor, Super 530D and perhaps the Aim-120C7. This would mean they have to spend a lot more on self defence suites. The more they spend on such wasteful expenditure, the better it is for us. Comparatively IAF will face only Aim -120C5 and SD-10.
     
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    It is better to have more diversified missiles in the inventory. Rumor has it one of the 4 seekers tested for ASTRA was a Russian seeker. Maybe India was happy with derby after acquiring SPYDER (which includes derby).
     
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    Debry is not good enough..

    I think its codes, Russian didn't allow us, Nor we tried for MICAs..

    Only option left was Debry, As Radar was a Indian - Israeli hybrid..








     
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    Derby maybe part of a deal for the now dead ELTA MMR radar??I don't think Indian govt has given up on it and I hope we hear something about it soon? IMO.
     
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    That is the reason i think DRDO should have have first developed short range ASTRA and then climbed to a higher range so it could have been integrated on Tejas before FOC.
     
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    Tejas Mark-2 will have which RADAR ?A AESA or a normal one whether Indian or Hybrid?
     
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    Tejas used Hybrid version of that radar, Though AESA version of same have higher chances in MK2..
     

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