India's Ocean

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  1. Yusuf

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    Maldives, hasn't been exactly stable after the ouster of Nasheed, so still a work in progress, also no excatly in the ocean but Myanmar will be also key to not giving Chinese shortcut to BoB. All this is dependent on our economy and the money we invest in these countries cause China has throw a huge sum if we don't.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    @Yusuf,

    A brilliant piece.

    I did not know half of the 'secrets' mentioned.

    I am indebted to you for the education.

    Keep up the good work.

    I have saved this article on my computer.

    Why don't you send this piece to the COMBAT magazine that is published by the War College, Mhow?
     
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    at least india can show its power to nearby tiny island nations if not on others. :lol::laugh::laugh:
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Tiny, but strategically important that is the crux of world politics and geostrategy.

    Or else what is the importance of Diego Gracia that the US occupies, which is miles away from the USA?
     
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    thats right, what is best other than getting land without fighting,

    and your other point is also right, US fights with little nations like iraq so they dont have to fight china.
     
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    Thank you you for the appreciation Sir.

    Sir if you can on my behalf it will be great. Will carry weight if you do it :)
     
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    These are important nations at strategic locations. Not for nothing is China want bases there. Not for nothing US has Diego Garcia there. It takes capabilities to go 1500-2000 kms away to intervene in Kothar countries. China hasn't been able to cross 100kms of Taiwan Strait :)
     
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    First of all why do India needs to show its power?

    India is not an insecure nation who always rants and try to prove its martial nature!

    Secondly India is not a military state, India is a welfare state who is taking care of its strategic interests.

    IOR close to India will become a fortress in the coming decades. IOR has the potential to become tourist attraction which will generate income.

    Secondly the Islands needs to be developed into full fledged cities which can generate income to maintain military bases.
     
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    You just send it yourself.

    It will carry more weight since you are not an uniformed, but a well informed person.
     
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    是故百戰百勝,非善之善者也;不戰而屈人之兵,善之善者也。
    For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.

    Sun Tsu
     
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    Spot on.

    India does not have to show power.

    India has to ensure inimical forces do not entrench in areas where they can threaten India's interests.
     
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    Mr @Ray Chinese are clueless about their economic miracle and how to handle the power that comes with it. They are thinking on par with USA and want to divide the world into two regions east and west. And assert their domination in east.

    chinese venturing into IOR with nuke submarines for protecting their shipping lanes against pirates is not a credible reason. Their intention of venturing into S.Asia in the name of trade and diplomatic relations is questionable.
    India needs to develop credible defences to counter the rising dragon.

    IOR is our strong point, If we can achieve complete dominance in this region we will be in a position to counter China - Pakistan combined attack and choke them their trade.

    USA or west are not going to attack India, But if they want to attack India they will come through China or Pakistan.

    So a credible defence and a booming economy will make sure India progress well in this century, reason why Navy is getting more funds.

    IOR is where maximum trade of India takes place.




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    Spot on

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    Please let me when and where did Chinese ask a half of the world. Please don't tell that you are reading from another tabloid just your "announced forth Chinese fleet".

    To India, any movement of other big boys is always questionable.

    If 60 years after her independence, India hasn't archive the dominance in the region, then who is stopping you? Obviously it is not Chinese since they are just coming in past 5 years.

    No one want to attack India! The thing everyone wants is preventing Indian from dominating Indian Ocean.

    Is there anyone disturbing India trade in Indian Ocean?
     
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    The attitude is clearly visible, the strategic moves that China is making clearly point to the fact that they want to dominate Asia by hook or crook. It is natural for any power to assert its influence. Regarding Indian Ocean fleet of China, the activity is increased and only the official announcement is pending.

    Yes, definitely !
    particularly when a nation says Nuke submarines are for fighting pirates.

    There is no power to oppose India in S.Asia in all these years, Now Chinese are venturing into IOR and S.Asia which means India has to protect its strategic interests which are undisturbed all these years.

    With out attack how can one stop India?
    Regarding prevention of India from dominating IOR, Try it !

    Yes no one is disturbing trade here in IOR so no need for Chinese sub marines.

    The statement is clear and simple, China try to grab as much influence as possible India will counter it to protect its strategic interests. I feel people to people relationship between Chinese and Indians will do a lot of good to Asia, CCP is not trust worthy.
     
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    we should also put a flag on any island in the indian ocean that has not been conclusively claimed yet (there must be many dots in the indian ocean that are far away). after that we ought to do reclamation and build a base there.

    :cool2:

    we really need to convert maldives into synergy with the republic that is in between kashmir and goa. they are not able to behave and have resources to be like a nepal and bhutan.
     
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    China is just trying to steal India's influence over Indian ocean countries. It seems important for them because India's economy is going to grow faster than China. Although China's economy is around 4 times larger than India's, It doesn't mean in the future India will match China.
    India's economic rise will affect China's ambition to gain dominance in the region and it's superpower (potential) abilities will get limited.
    I can see India is striking back, we are constantly improving relation with Japan, Vietnam and Philippines.

    The real winner of this is going to be US who can just rely on India-China disputes for their youknowwhat.
     
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    That is funny. You sounds like you have a source in Chinese defence department.

    Well, that is your another false claim. Chinese has never said that. They sent the nuke submarine for training.

    Oh, really? What about the US fleet deployed in Indian Ocean? Your pm was really pissed off by their activities in 1971?

    How about providing financial and military support to Pakistan?


    Since American, Russian, French and British sub marines are frequently visiting Indian Ocean without asking India's permission. Certainly you can't blame Chinese alone.

    Well, the Americans are staying in Indian Ocean no matter how you think of them; Chinse is coming to Indian Ocean no matter you like it or not.
    Your opinion doesn't count, your neighbours opinion do.
     

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