Indians sing pakistani national anthem to spread 'peace'

[Krusty]

The Paki Army would need every boot on the ground in a war with India! So diverting troops to defend Islam in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere is not an option. But as you mentioned, there could be mass desertions by the fundamentalist factions within the Pak Army.

So getting back to where I started, the defence of the Pak nation will always be the priority and not defending Islam!

Pakis won't look at it as defending KSA. They will look at it as defending Mecca. If Mecca is about to fall, I have no doubt Pakis will mobilise. Even while they are in an active war with India..

@gekko @mayfair @Project Dharma @captscooby81 @Razor

Interesting scenario, please comment.

 

[aditya10r]

Pakis won't look at it as defending KSA. They will look at it as defending Mecca. If Mecca is about to fall, I have no doubt Pakis will mobilise. Even while they are in an active war with India..

@gekko @mayfair @Project Dharma @captscooby81 @Razor

Interesting scenario, please comment.

They have a population of 21 crore people with Jehadi mindset.

Lets say they go full bezerk and make an army of 2 million plus people(i seriously dont doubt these phattus,they can go to any length)then they will be in position to send troops to KSA and at the same time they will have enough troops to defend them(not more than 3 days)..

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[mayfair]

Napakis may mobilise, but how will they get to Mecca?
Via Iran? Good luck with that?
Via sea? IN will dispatch them to jahannum before they can say AoA..
Via air? See above.

The fact is Napakis have no means or ability to project force over long distances without explicit and implicit support and cooperation of other big powers.

 

[Krusty]

Napakis may mobilise, but how will they get to Mecca?
Via Iran? Good luck with that?
Via sea? IN will dispatch them to jahannum before they can say AoA..
Via air? See above.

The fact is Napakis have no means or ability to project force over long distances without explicit and implicit support and cooperation of other big powers.

My humble opinion is that everyone underestimates the resolve of Ummah. If the sites of Mecca and Medina are in danger of falling, Iran will provide passage. Why won't Iran provide passage in such an event that threatens the very heart of the Ummah?

Iran has made it very clear, when push comes to shove, they will support the Ummah. Shia-Sunni differences will be kept aside.

Means or ability is secondary, what is discussed here but rather the willingness of the TOP brass of Pakistan to commit a part of their force towards Mecca while fighting India sirji.. what's your take on it?

 

[Why so serious?]

NO ONE noticed the Napaki map posted in this tweet/Insta or whatever it is?

Chutiya salekon Hai ye Being Indian wale?

 

[mayfair]

My humble opinion is that everyone underestimates the resolve of Ummah. If the sites of Mecca and Medina are in danger of falling, Iran will provide passage. Why won't Iran provide passage in such an event that threatens the very heart of the Ummah?

Iran has made it very clear, when push comes to shove, they will support the Ummah. Shia-Sunni differences will be kept aside.

Means or ability is secondary, what is discussed here but rather the willingness of the TOP brass of Pakistan to commit a part of their force towards Mecca while fighting India sirji.. what's your take on it?

I agree about the resolve. But think for a moment, whomsoever is attacking Mecca, will be a big power for sure, would they give the Napakis enough time to move men and material into the theatre? At the first sign of such mobilisation, a nuke will drop somewhere on the gathered divisions. The ships will be torpedoes or harpooned and the trash haulers blown out of the sky.

 

[Zero-Sum-Game]

the irony is that these fuckers have the freedom to spit on the freedom provided to them by the state, they come out as progressive liberal intellectuals while doing so and are made into pseudo-heroes who stand up against high handed state.

 

[airtel]

Islam before nationalism? Ok, let's take a hypothetical situation:

Let's say that the Islamic Army of Pak is fighting a war with India. Suddenly there is a threat to Islam in Saudi Arabia by mercenaries taking over the holy mosques in Mecca and Medina. Now would Pakistan's Islamic army stop fighting for Pakistan and be diverted from the frontlines to defend Islam in Saudi Arabia instead?

I don't think they would.

Yes they would.....


Ask any common paki

 

[KumarG]

Yes they would.....


Ask any common paki

Forget Pakis, I'm sure such a scenario would see even Indians from various states flying out to join the fight to protect the seat of Islam.

 

[hit&run]

This is how Kids do it.


This is how Leaders do it.


This is how Legends do it.


Bharat Mata ki Jai.

 

[StormyKid]

Interesting thread and conversation. Thank you

 

[here2where]

..Let's say that the Islamic Army of Pak is fighting a war with India. Suddenly there is a threat to Islam in Saudi Arabia by mercenaries taking over the holy mosques in Mecca and Medina. Now would Pakistan's Islamic army stop fighting for Pakistan and be diverted from the frontlines to defend Islam in Saudi Arabia instead...

Yes. Else there will be mass suicides, since the retards know no nation only the jungle book.

Anyway, in case this happens, India will have it easy against porkistan and complete its territorial conquest of that country, since more than 80% of its army will lose morale and will desert.

Its a completely different question as to how porkis will reach ground zero to 'defend' mecca. Afghanis and Iranians will deny them land/air transit. India will sink them on water.

Iran will not rush to defend mecca or ummah or such shit. Their mututal hatred goes back centuries. Khomeni will issue a fatwa equating haj rituals in Mecca to that of pilgrimage to Imam Hussein shrine in Karbala Iraq. Iran govt will issue a 2015-like order banning Iranians from travelling to saudi for haj and instead go to Karbala for the rituals. Iran would be happy if Saudi is hit.

Now, regarding the 'mercenaries' attacking Mecca. It can only be a ISIS or Mossad front (with US tacit approval). In that case, porki rising to any kind of defense of mecca will be a fart in the wind. India will already get the US nod to conquer Porkistan when this mecca attack begins.

I hope all this happens though

 

[Srinivas_K]

Enjoy

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A case of idiotic behaviour.

Hard core Islamists never want peace, their target is to rule entire world under sharia or attain martyrdom in the process of conquering world.

They do not understand the language of peace, there are lots of hardcore Islamists in Pakistan.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Yes. Else there will be mass suicides, since the retards know no nation only the jungle book.

Anyway, in case this happens, India will have it easy against porkistan and complete its territorial conquest of that country, since more than 80% of its army will lose morale and will desert.

Its a completely different question as to how porkis will reach ground zero to 'defend' mecca. Afghanis and Iranians will deny them land/air transit. India will sink them on water.

Iran will not rush to defend mecca or ummah or such shit. Their mututal hatred goes back centuries. Khomeni will issue a fatwa equating haj rituals in Mecca to that of pilgrimage to Imam Hussein shrine in Karbala Iraq. Iran govt will issue a 2015-like order banning Iranians from travelling to saudi for haj and instead go to Karbala for the rituals. Iran would be happy if Saudi is hit.

Now, regarding the 'mercenaries' attacking Mecca. It can only be a ISIS or Mossad front (with US tacit approval). In that case, porki rising to any kind of defense of mecca will be a fart in the wind. India will already get the US nod to conquer Porkistan when this mecca attack begins.

I hope all this happens though

Too far fetched and involves too much work. If you want to suppress Islam, simply fund multiple groups and ethnicities which hate each other, and make sure that they keep fighting each other. This ensures that there can be no stable Islamic power strong enough to challenge any other civilization. In fact, this is precisely what the Americans and Israelis have been doing. George Friedman wrote an interesting book called "The Next Hundred Years" in which he explains this. Read it with a grain of salt though, there are many things in that book which are just ludicrous.

 

[Project Dharma]

The Paki Army would need every boot on the ground in a war with India! So diverting troops to defend Islam in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere is not an option. But as you mentioned, there could be mass desertions by the fundamentalist factions within the Pak Army.

So getting back to where I started, the defence of the Pak nation will always be the priority and not defending Islam!

Pakis won't look at it as defending KSA. They will look at it as defending Mecca. If Mecca is about to fall, I have no doubt Pakis will mobilise. Even while they are in an active war with India..

@gekko @mayfair @Project Dharma @captscooby81 @Razor

Interesting scenario, please comment.

There will be no shortage of Muslims to defend Mecca in that scenario. Pretty much all Muslim countries would unite. Pakistan would probably concentrate on a war with India (such a war is likely to be short lived anyway) and then once the war is over, they would join the fight in Mecca.

 

[Screambowl]

What kind of idiot thinks that peace between us can be achieved at this point in time? The "peaceful" folks on the other side of the border will happily pillage, burn, and rape their way through our country at the first chance they get. Bloody idiots.

5 points Gujral doctrine this is .........
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[Akshay Fenix]

In times of trouble, people like kaur will be the first ones to leave India and take asylum in canada or usa.

That is why we need to beat the living shit out of them before things go out of control.

 

[Screambowl]

the problem is ... there is no fear and shame in some of the people living in India that they so openly praise the enemy state.

Government is equally responsible. They have not made their minds.. what actually they want from Pakistan.
This is the reason some political party as their workers to tease the government that if you can do it then we can too.

 

[Akshay Fenix]

 

[gekko]

Islam before nationalism? Ok, let's take a hypothetical situation:

Let's say that the Islamic Army of Pak is fighting a war with India. Suddenly there is a threat to Islam in Saudi Arabia

That hypothetical situation is too hypothetical-ly.

Take a more probable situation where India and Pakistan are fighting a war, and there are war cries from one side "allaha hu akbarrr", suddenly there is a warcry from the other side "allaha hu akbarr". Soldiers from both sides are confused..they wonder.. are they our own people?

Now the scope of this 'our own' can be as wide as you want it to be. It can be tactical, it can be philosophical. It could mean 'soldiers from our army' or 'members of my religion who happen to be carrying a different passport'. At that moment of genius, it takes only a few seconds for someone to think "well..this is bullshit, why are we killing our own people? and for what? these borders are made by a capitalist exercise anyway, and the ruling elites are not Muslim. Why should I kill another Muslim to protect a national order which has a Hindu PM". Not a highly sophisticated thought, but then, all the more likely to occur to a Muslim brain.

What is the guarantee that such a soldier will then remain loyal to his land, over and above his ideology?

Ideology is all pervasive. No amount of discipline wipes out indoctrination one receives from their childhood. Soldiers aren't robots, they are made of flesh and blood and emotions. You probably know better than me, the instances of mutinies in various armies the world over and their causes (Soviet defections during Afghanistan campaign is a good case study). It's a very real possibility.

Islam before nationalism

Us kaffirs have a limited understanding of Islam. In the way Islam is defined, it is less like a philosophy (any-ism) and more like a political system (in league with Communism) with rules prescribed for domestic governance, subject-state relations, taxation, foreign relations. When a person says 'I am a Muslim', he's not just saying that he believes in the oneness of god, but also that he believes in a political system of organizing people and running the country's affairs in a certain way. If you expect him to die for an alternate political system, you are pushing him against his base tendencies. This applies to a Pakistani soldier fighting to defend democracy in Pakistan as well.

Islam, is personal identity, combined with spiritual identity, combined with national identity, all in one. There are already reports that Pakistani army is facing a discipline problem because of jihadi commanders. There was an incident where a Pakistani Navy person tried to take over reins of his ship to strike a US ship with missiles.

5 Navy Officers Sentenced to Death in Pakistan for Trying to Attack US Warship

Their nationalism is under strain. If a Muslim in a Muslim Republic cannot remain loyal to his own Muslim nation, one cannot expect a Muslim in an Indian Republic to be loyal to a secular constitution.