Indian Tri-Services discussion

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    well i have seen some threads and they direct people to other threads for some minute deviation from topic.Here is a thread where u discuss everything related to army,navy,airfoce.
     
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    Synergy of services key to battle’s outcome: IAF chief

    India’s future operational experiences will invariably be joint operations where a degree of synergy among the three services will be a key determinant of the final outcome, the Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne, said Saturday.

    Addressing the gentlemen cadets at the passing out parade of 132nd Regular and Allied Courses at the Indian Military Academy here, Air Chief Marshal Browne impressed upon them the need to broaden their horizons and interact and make friends with their counterparts from the other services.

    “India’s future operational experiences will invariably be joint operations where, in addition to the specialised core competence of each service, the degree of synergy amongst the services will be a key determinant of the final outcome. So, widen your horizons, be ‘full spectrum’ in your thinking and develop a healthy professional respect for each other’s capabilities, as these will have a force multiplier effect on India’s future military power,” he said.

    Browne, who is the chairman of the chiefs of staff committee, said the Indian Army was going through a revolutionary phase of comprehensive capability enhancement, adding the young officers would be at the forefront of the momentous changes.

    “Irrespective of your chosen arms, you would be operating in a knowledge-centric environment and technology would be intrinsic to each and every facet of future combat operations. To meet the stringent demands of this new environment, there will be a need to constantly prepare and adapt. So my advice to you would be to ‘Never stop learning’,” Browne said.

    He asked the young officers to strive towards understanding every aspect of their job as future operational capabilities of the army will greatly depend on their professional capabilities.

    Browne said it was a matter of honour for him to welcome 705 fine young men from 132nd Regular and Allied Courses into the “Brotherhood of Arms.”

    He also congratulated officers from friendly foreign countries who passed out Saturday.

    Browne said the contours of national security challenges facing the country were fast evolving.

    He said the service life will bring the officers face to face with a multitude of challenges and these will define their character, value system and credibility in their team.

    Browne said the gentlemen cadet’s future will be filled “with some good, some quite ordinary and some pretty bad times” and they should draw on their training when faced with doubts, temptations, dilemmas and deliberations.

    “Make sure that you always do the right thing – the right way. On your strength of character and moral fibre depends the reputation of our Indian Army. Ensure that all your actions contribute towards strengthening it further,” he added.

    The air chief said that the gentleman cadets will join the army which has a long history of boundless valour and selfless service.

    “Each one of you – with your talents, your intelligence and your previous accomplishments could have chosen something easy or safer but instead, you gentlemen willingly took on the mantle of duty, honour and country… I salute your spirit,” he said and added that there were “very few vocations, as satisfying and as noble as yours”.

    He called upon them to live up to the high standards expected of an officer of the Indian Army.

    He also thanked the parents “for offering the nation the gift of these fine young men”.
     
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    Tri-Service synergy, combined operations, Air-ground-Sea combined battle area management, Joint operations/Theatre command are all fancy terms regularly quoted by the Service Chiefs to underscore the capabilities of the Indian Armed forces to the general public, especially after the US demonstrated the importance of combined operations in 21st century war.

    But in reality, the three services (and their Chiefs) are still fighting one another, bitterly at times, to maintain old 20th century status quo. We have the Air force fighting to keep all things flying under its command, the Army to gain full control of Helis and the Navy to take command of the Amphibious brigade.

    Lets be honest, all the Services are pushing to protect their turf, not improving combined arms capability. Whatever statement is made by the Service Chiefs are just that, a statement....not the reality.

    It is certainly true that the ability of one force to work in support of the other is increasing, but that is still not the same as combined operations. Combined operations mean the entire operation, right from the planning stage, is developed as a whole entity. Instead we have the three services developing independent plans with them fibally being stitched together.

    The fundamental cause of this difference between the services perception lies with the officers themselves. A AF pilot does not understand/realise that the area he just tore through a micro-second ago is a series of bunkers/a minefield/a uphill climb which has bogged down a company of troops. He most likely sees 10-15 thermal signatures against a 100 men.

    The infantry guy does not understand why the AC that zipped through a second ago did not blow up the hostile positions....

    The same story goes on with the Navy officers.......

    This is not a problem faced by us only, even the Brits and the US too face them to an extent.

    The way I see it, this problem will be resolved only when a Marine or Army Aviation or Naval Aviation guy gets promoted to the upper echelons. These are people who have seen the best and worst of two worlds.

    People who have fought( trained assaults) on the beaches yet operate under Naval commanders, people who have flown combat Helis into action and yet lived with infantry men, people who have flown fighters yet live and operate onboard a ship....These are the people who best understand the importance of one arm to the other, the necessity and effectiveness of combined action and synergy. These are people who are exposed to the views of other services and that of their own, an alien in their own institution.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    That is why COAS, CONS & COAFS have come up with a new solution to the turf war. Theater command as in A&N has failed, so new way forward is need based command.

    New org structure would be as follows:
    1) Aerospace Command - Headed by COAFS
    2) Special OPS Command - Headed by COAS
    3) Cyber Command - Headed by CONS

    Each command will span and directly control the assets and personnel across all 3 services, based on the need of the operation. I think this is exactly what the air chief said yesterday.

    Tri-service commands for space, cyber warfare - Times Of India

    Armed forces to pitch for three new commands before PM - NY Daily News | NewsCred SmartWire

    Indian armed forces mulling three joint commands - Times Of India

     
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